Official ProVari Radius Thread

[USMCotaku]

Im admittedly lost ....maybe its just up to personal taste, like the brand of cigs ppl used to get?
I luv innovation, I luv PVs quality, consistency, service, , hell everything about them. but the 50w ?
what can 50W do that 20 or 30 cant? are we talking cloud chasing here. talk to me like im 5.

There are many tanks with prebuilt coils the market now that don't come alive till around 30 watts (some around 70-80, but lets ignore those for now). While it's true you can build a 1 ohm coil @ 20 watts that will put out huge cloud (I've done it with the istick 20w just to prove a point at my local shop) there is still a difference in the vape quality between a set up like that and a .5 ohm coil putting out similar amount of vapor. It's just a vape style, no more wrong or right then any other. We have heard people talk about what provape will never do.....but we have heard that before.....they will never raise their power, cause it's not needed........P3 raised the power...they will never accommodate sub ohm....P3 sub ohms to .5....
Now days, with current battery tech, its quite possible to reach 50 watts (and more) and still maintain provapes safety standards, so why wouldn't they capitalize on that and release a mod that would be suitable to a wider range of vapers? Exactly what I've been asking for all along [emoji14]

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[USMCotaku]

Exactly. One of the newer popular tanks is the Smok TFV4 and TFV4 mini. Most of the coils they make for it are designed to be used at 40W - 100W.

Haven't tried that tank yet, but the flavor is supposed to be unbelievable.

It is
And some of the coils for it don't come alive till around the 80 watt mark [emoji14]

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[Zen~]

Now days, with current battery tech, its quite possible to reach 50 watts (and more) and still maintain provapes safety standards,

People keep saying that... well... everybody but ProVape and myself... but I just can't seem to figure out HOW with an appropriate amount of headroom for a margin of safety.

Yes, you can run a battery to 50 watts if you throw caution to the wind... I really can't see ProVape doing that... they are justifiably more conservative than that.

 

[stevegmu]

In an ideal world batteries would perform to spec from the day they were bought to the day they are recycled. Given that's not the case, a 10 month old battery which has gone through 100 charge/discharge cycles won't offer the same performance and stability as a new one, hence why companies which care about safety won't make mods which push the upper limits of batteries...

 

[USMCotaku]

With many batteries out, 50 watts isn't "throwing caution to the wind"......
Of course, people don't always make the wisest battery choices, and provape would probably account for that.....but if this IS a dual battery mod.....then the 50 watt mark is well within the safe range even with lesser batteries.

To those who claim Lipo = disposable........ever hear of the variant? Or how about the dna200 mods coming out......not to hard to make a user replaceable Lipo mod (not saying provape would take this route, just saying it's not automatically trash if they did).

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[ENAUD]

Is it Monday yet!?!

 

[stevegmu]

Never heard of a Variant and DNA 200 mods are disposable because Evolv can't make reliable chips, and the mods they are put in are made in China...

 

[Zen~]

In an ideal world batteries would perform to spec from the day they were bought to the day they are recycled. Given that's not the case, a 10 month old battery which has gone through 100 charge/discharge cycles won't offer the same performance and stability as a new one, hence why companies which care about safety won't make mods which push the upper limits of batteries...

Exactly... and a 10 month old battery has probably really been through 300 charge cycles in a PV that has USB charging... something to think about... they often get charged daily!

Let's be honest... a lot of people that learned Ohms Law and basic engineering for the purpose of vaping think they understand what it takes to make a mod safe, and some are more gifted than others at picking this stuff up. However, most just understand the basics, and there is an old saying... "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing".

ProVape isn't going to put a time-bomb in your hand, even if you insist upon it. Theoretical limits don't make for good reliable product design. YEARS of experience make a difference. Yes, it's frustrating when people SEE high power devices on the market for 50 bucks, they think ProVape should be able to as well. They could, too... if they gave up the ethics that made them great in the first place.

 

[DPLongo22]

I am of the opinion that the conservative approach, at least for right now, is in all of our best interests.

Every issue, be it due to stupidity or otherwise, is under a microscope, and is being dragged out and displayed like escorts in Vegas, by those hoping to squash this industry long before it reaches enough of the market to be truly noticed.

I trust ProVape's experience and judgment in this regard; at least until common sense is allowed back into the (political) conversation.

 

[Zen~]

With many batteries out, 50 watts isn't "throwing caution to the wind"......
Of course, people don't always make the wisest battery choices, and provape would probably account for that.....but if this IS a dual battery mod.....then the 50 watt mark is well within the safe range even with lesser batteries.

To those who claim Lipo = disposable........ever hear of the variant? Or how about the dna200 mods coming out......not to hard to make a user replaceable Lipo mod (not saying provape would take this route, just saying it's not automatically trash if they did).

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My Variant is on a shelf because it's a piece of junk that has a mind of it's own. And yes, in my opinion (and that of my insurance underwriter as well) 50 watts on a single cell is throwing caution to the wind.

And my eyes tell me it can't fit two batteries... so, that's just really not going to happen.

 

[FringeChief68]

Im admittedly lost ....maybe its just up to personal taste, like the brand of cigs ppl used to get?
I luv innovation, I luv PVs quality, consistency, service, , hell everything about them. but the 50w ?
what can 50W do that 20 or 30 cant? are we talking cloud chasing here. talk to me like im 5.

Some people like the much warmer hit you get with the higher wattage. I guess it's like coffee drinkers, some like it blistering hot and some put ice in it

 

[USMCotaku]

Exactly... and a 10 month old battery has probably really been through 300 charge cycles in a PV that has USB charging... something to think about... they often get charged daily!

Let's be honest... a lot of people that learned Ohms Law and basic engineering for the purpose of vaping think they understand what it takes to make a mod safe, and some are more gifted than others at picking this stuff up. However, most just understand the basics, and there is an old saying... "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing".

ProVape isn't going to put a time-bomb in your hand, even if you insist upon it. Theoretical limits don't make for good reliable product design. YEARS of experience make a difference. Yes, it's frustrating when people SEE high power devices on the market for 50 bucks, they think ProVape should be able to as well. They could, too... if they gave up the ethics that made them great in the first place.

A charge cycle on a lithium battery isn't every time you plug it in.....a charge cycle is from full to empty to full again.....so if you charge it up while it has 50% remaining....you have put out through half a charge cycle

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[FringeChief68]

I like your 24k gold Chief, I remember when preloader bought that, and I thought it was awesome then, then you bought it from him, it is a beautiful thing.

KAS

I baby it, maybe a little to much
I put a battery in her only 2 times so far, just to see her light up but I haven't vaped on her yet. I don't want to take the chance to get juice on it, I don't even touch it with my skin
I miss @Preloader

 

[ENAUD]

Glad the battery question got answered, I am totally in on this new mod, after the holidays...

 

[stevegmu]

Have you used one? Yeah the 40s were a crapshoot, my two thirties have held up as weld as my p2.5s, and several American mod companies make mod's with their boards ...in america.
And to call a lipo powered mod disposable is a gross generalization, both the variant and most of the dna200's have the lipo packs fairly easy to change, assuming one can unplug a standard connector and plug another one in.

No, I won't buy a DNA powered mod after reading so many posts and threads about the problems. I don't want the headache. America makes junky products too. Large lipo mods are not only disposable, I don't consider that type of battery to be safe for vaping in anything other than eGos...

 

[gin828]

Glad the battery question got answered, I am totally in on this new mod, after the holidays...

I will be right behind you in putting my order in....

 

[Zen~]

A charge cycle on a lithium battery isn't every time you plug it in.....a charge cycle is from full to empty to full again.....so if you charge it up while it has 50% remaining....you have put out through half a charge cycle

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And you don't think you'll go through a full charge cycle per day on an 18650 battery? A guy that feels he needs 50 watts just to be happy really can't be thinking the cell will last for days.

 

[serenity21899]

OK, since it's not a lipo, I need some new batteries. Samsung 25R's, or something else. I'm a bit out of the loop on this stuff.

 

[USMCotaku]

No, I won't buy a DNA powered mod after reading so many posts and threads about the problems. I don't want the headache. America makes junky products too. Large lipo mods are not only disposable, I don't consider that type of battery to be safe for vaping in anything other than eGos...

Where is the logic in that? Many Lipo packs have cdr far above any 18650, some far above what we would use in vaping period.

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[stevegmu]

Where is the logic in that? Many Lipo packs have cdr far above any 18650, some far above what we would use in vaping period.

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I don't believe the chemistry to be safe for vaping applications, with the exception of low powered devices...