Official ProVari Radius Thread

[ENAUD]

While it was most certainly not the taste that I like to vape...

I did vape it until its battery died. The nic was/is strong enough that I did not vape anything else while using it.

Will it work in a pinch? Yes

Would I buy another for myself? Yes, to be used as a mobile backup...

Would I have been able to quit smoking with it? Yes

Would I recommend this to a smoker? Yes!!!

Just my opinions, Jim

A smoker is way more likely to try something that mirrors their experience a closely as possible. Cigalikes, if they could be made more pleasurable, would be a logical way to go. If only they could utilize a quick charging capacitor that is tiny enough, or a better chemistry battery that could deliver more power, even if for a very short duration, the case could house a more robust battery to charge it between uses. For chain smokers like I was, it would have to charge really fast. I remember when I started out, I thought that a 900 mAh ego type battery was huge! I used to keep a cig hanging from my mouth all the time, one of the things I missed when I quit. What I woulda given for a vape I could just keep and puff on like a cig clinging to my lip.

 

[Vicshalls]

So excited. Finally was able to order my wife a kabuki. Was all set to get it from Mbv, but something told me to take a look at eBay. Low and behold someone had one with a glass and metal tank for 70. And 2 for shipping. Figured that was a pretty good deal. He even managed to get it shipped out today. Set for delivery on Monday. Now to get her to get me a radius and life will be good. Hoping maybe black Friday will be time for a sale and she will have made enough waiting tables to get me one. Lol one can hope. Buy tax time for sure.

 

[Zen~]

While it was most certainly not the taste that I like to vape...

I did vape it until its battery died. The nic was/is strong enough that I did not vape anything else while using it.

Will it work in a pinch? Yes

Would I buy another for myself? Yes, to be used as a mobile backup...

Would I have been able to quit smoking with it? Yes

Would I recommend this to a smoker? Yes!!!

Just my opinions, Jim

I agree with this, and when I've heard of smokers that failed using vape shop gear, I've told them to go grab some NJOY kings to take off the edge... so many of these shops under-nic the beginners, and they fail, all while using pretty decent gear. It's about the nic, it's always been about the nic. Spare me the sub-ohm means you need less nic, comments. IF I can get a smoker to try again using higher nic, they succeed. Vape shop owners argue with me daily about it, but nic keeps people off the smokes, not pretty gear... Though, pretty gear IS often motivational, especially if they invested a fair amount in it. They WANT it to work if they have $$$ in it instead of $.

A smoker is way more likely to try something that mirrors their experience a closely as possible. Cigalikes, if they could be made more pleasurable, would be a logical way to go. If only they could utilize a quick charging capacitor that is tiny enough, or a better chemistry battery that could deliver more power, even if for a very short duration, the case could house a more robust battery to charge it between uses. For chain smokers like I was, it would have to charge really fast. I remember when I started out, I thought that a 900 mAh ego type battery was huge! I used to keep a cig hanging from my mouth all the time, one of the things I missed when I quit. What I woulda given for a vape I could just keep and puff on like a cig clinging to my lip.

Yeah, I keep hearing people suggested quick charging caps... do any of the engineers in this thread want to chime in as to why this doesn't make sense? (Tired of being the guy that has to be the voice of reason)

 

[AstroTurf]

(Tired of being the guy that has to be the voice of reason)

I really wish I could add something to help with the load...

I most certainly do not want to see you get burned out on some of this junk that occurs around here.

And, I cannot say this enough... I have learned a lot from you Mike!

Thanks, Jim

 

[Vicshalls]

I feel this needs a little clarification as to why I say what I say regarding the calibrations and displays and readouts, etc.

Vaping is evolving from being a niche market cottage industry into big business. We're not there yet, we're heading there. As this transition is taking place, the early adopters and vaping mavens have a well-established way of doing things to which they have become accustomed. This is normal, predictable emerging market behavior. Absolutely nothing here is new in terms of how this market has evolved, with the possible exception of any legislative influence, which was also 100% expected from the onset.

There are currently millions of vapers. Many of whom are advanced users, and many are not advanced. I would argue that there are more in the latter category, but won't muddy this with a percentage, because it too, is irrelevant to my position. What is important to understand that every person vaping today, does not represent everybody who is ever going to vape.

There are over one billion people that still smoke... pretty big number. Not all of them will transition, in fact a pretty small percentage will. Many will simply die.

SO, vaping has a very long way to go in terms of being able to replace, or even significantly diminish tobacco use in the world, it's a long and complex road. This road is a bumpy one, because many of the smokers lack the sophistication, or income, or interest in putting down the smokes in favor of something healthier. I talk to smokers every day that tell me they tried vaping... too much work, too complex, not satisfying, and yes, some say it's way too confusing. They also say they wish it was as simple as a volume control on the TV, which is why I frequently use that analogy. A volume control is the limit to what they are willing to learn how to use. They don't really want to know what's going on in the background. As product designers we simply cannot dismiss this group of people that have shown an interest, and the current products are far too complex or bothersome to use.

When a current vaper says "I would never buy a product without a display"... you're not telling me anything I don't know. YOU wouldn't, and if I'm being honest, a really huge number of current vapers won't either. But for the market to grow, and it will grow, the products being offered, even in high-end luxury devices will become more simplified. The guesswork will be removed, the vaping experience will become even better, without the need to know anything technical.

Every emerging industry has or will go through this growth pattern. Products will become easier to use and more intuitive which in turn enables more people to enjoy the products. Vaping is no exception. As time goes by, the products of this or any other industry become more appealing to the masses. The early adopters and mavens are left with the memories of the old-times when they were special, and they will miss being a pocket of knowledge that helped the world understand how these things work. No industry is immune from this.

I hear everybody and the arguments about the displays, and I agree that for your specific cases, you are 100% correct. You know what you need and want, and it's based on your journey to this point. And I'll go so far as to say you are right, for where we are today.

But, products are already emerging that the mavens don't understand, and they are superlative products. The ProVari Radius is one such example. And there will be more. Soon, some really really good products will hit the market that don't even resemble what you're vaping today, and over time, you won't even recognize the vape gear compared to what it is today. And I'm willing to bet it will perform flawlessly, with no need to learn a cotton-picking thing to enjoy it. No math, no science, nothing resembling brain power.

And the current mavens will have very little voice in how this all goes down. If the product is to reach mass market appeal, then products will have to be created that actually work well, so the masses will buy them. What you see in my comments is with the understanding that this is the direction the market will be headed. There are dozens of reasons why early adopters will hate this.

But it will happen. And it will be fantastic when it does. Because, we are going to save a LOT of lives when we get to that point. A WHOLE LOT of lives... which is why I do this.

Many vapers only care about the one life they save by getting into this... I get that.

I'm working on the trajectory that saves the lives of people I have never even met, and know nothing about, other than the fact that they exist, and they deserve to have products designed that fit their needs.

Simplicity is the key.

I find this to be very true.

Some friends are who got us started on our journey. They had some cig a likes and we enjoyed it so much we got some ourselves. Easy to use but not very satisfying.

I got a new car and decided I did not want this car to smell like smoke. I saw a small vape shop and went in and got an ego. A much better experience. I found ecf and next thing I know I have a hobby. I get a provari and get the wife one and we are now on our way.

Now I go back to the friends that got us started. The cig a likes did not work for them either. They eventually tried again and got a mvp. It broke. They then got discouraged because they have now spent too much money on things that did not last. Because of that they lost faith and to this day still smoke. They refuse to spend any more money and time for fear what they get will break. They don't see vaping as a hobby. They just wanted to quit smoking and the products they bought did not cut it. Now if those products did not break they might be cigarette free like us.

To be honest I don't think my wife would have quit if I had not made this a hobby and made coils for her and did the research.

In the end people just want something that works and they don't have to think about at a reasonable price. Simple will beat everything out every time. Just remember KISS. keep it simple stupid. Works every time!

 

[Konvict]

Wow! That is a lot of nautilus. I think you will enjoy the Kabuki by House of Hybrids.

I do enjoy the Kabuki a lot!

I am just waiting to order some more of them, when Zen gives us the Black Friday discount code!

 

[Zen~]

I do enjoy the Kabuki a lot!

I am just waiting to order some more of them, when Zen gives us the Black Friday discount code!

I don't sell the 510 or P3 Kabuki Direct to consumers. I don't know if ProVape or the other dealers will have a Black Friday Sale or not. That's up to them

 

[Zombo]

G..G..G..Ghost!



Bonus: it looks the same with the translucent sleeve, other than the texture, of course.

 

[scotdc]

I find this to be very true.

To be honest I don't think my wife would have quit if I had not made this a hobby and made coils for her and did the research.

That's what finally did it for me. I started vaping with an EGO battery and a cheap tank, but soon quit because it tasted like crap and the satisfaction wasn't there. When I got my first rebuildable (an EHPRO Kayfun clone from a local vape shop), a found flavor and vaping turned into a hobby - then it got fun.

Though, pretty gear IS often motivational, especially if they invested a fair amount in it. They WANT it to work if they have $$$ in it instead of $.

It wasn't long before I got my first Provari and now I'm invested in this hobby for $$$. Then I fell down the rabbit hole that's DIY and a whole new world of flavor has opened up for me. Oddly enough, I now get a satisfaction from vaping that I never had with cigarettes.

 

[AstroTurf]

Did somebody say...

Black Friday?!?

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[Zen~]

Did somebody say...

Black Friday?!?

Annnnnnd, once again... that link will not work on Black Friday.

 

[JohnD0406]

Annnnnnd, once again... that link will not work on Black Friday.

Zen's switching to "Cyber Monday" - makes more sense.

 

[JohnD0406]

Yeah, I keep hearing people suggested quick charging caps... do any of the engineers in this thread want to chime in as to why this doesn't make sense? (Tired of being the guy that has to be the voice of reason)

Didn't that subject come up fairly recently, and weren't you the one who answered it? Maybe it was me, in an unrelated thread. The memory's the second thing to go... I'll have to do some searching around later and quote it.

 

[AstroTurf]

Annnnnnd, once again... that link will not work on Black Friday.

Dang it!!!


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[rbrylawski]

Didn't that subject come up fairly recently, and weren't you the one who answered it? Maybe it was me, in an unrelated thread. The memory's the second thing to go... I'll have to do some searching around later and quote it.

He was prolly hoping you'd take the "Debbie Downer" flag and offer why quick charging isn't great for battery life.

 

[Zen~]

Zen's switching to "Cyber Monday" - makes more sense.

Could it be possible that we're doing both? With the exclusive one day only stuff being different on Friday and Monday?

 

[Zen~]

Didn't that subject come up fairly recently, and weren't you the one who answered it? Maybe it was me, in an unrelated thread. The memory's the second thing to go... I'll have to do some searching around later and quote it.

The subject of using "Quick Charging Capacitors" instead of a battery to power an ecig Hasn't come up in here... No matter what I answer will be argued with, so... go for it.

 

[DonnyX]

Annnnnnd, once again... that link will not work on Black Friday.

Zen~ I see on the House Of Hybrids website there's a gunmetal Kabuki with the Z2 connection. Will there any gunmetal Kabuki's coming out with the P3 connection and will you be making a white Gertrude drip tip?
Sorry if this was asked before.


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[AlphaGuitarist]

Could it be possible that we're doing both? With the exclusive one day only stuff being different on Friday and Monday?

If that's the case, I hope the Stealth Kabuki P3 will be among the exclusive stuff!

 

[Zen~]

If that's the case, I hope the Stealth Kabuki P3 will be among the exclusive stuff!

Sorry, it won't be... The P3 connection Kabuki is only available from ProVape Online, and Brick and Mortar Dealers.