Official ProVari Radius Thread

[AstroTurf]

Seems it has already been derailed. It use to be a Radius Thread!

Don't we already have a section on the Forum for this topic?

Respectfully; Knife

I find that most threads are derailed after about a page an a half...

 

[Knifemaker]

I find that most threads are derailed after about a page an a half...

Lol, so true. I guess that speaks volumes to the power of "The Radius"!

Knife

 

[WillyZee]

I find that most threads are derailed after about a page an a half...

it's what we do with all these ProVape threads ... example: the P3 thread

 

[rbrylawski]

Seems it has already been derailed. It use to be a Radius Thread!

Don't we already have a section on the Forum for this topic?

Particularly given its importance.

Respectfully; Knife

If the Deeming Regulations are adopted as stated, there won't be much we'll have left to discuss in the Radius or really any thread. So, I'm not going to apologize for interrupting the Radius thread with information we might be interested in knowing about.

 

[AstroTurf]

If the Deeming Regulations are adopted as stated, there won't be much we'll have left to discuss in the Radius or really any thread. So, I'm not going to apologize for interrupting the Radius thread with information we might be interested in knowing about.

No Apologies Needed...

In My Opinion!!!

By the way, I like your hairstyle RB, Has Charlie seen it yet?

LOLz, Jim

 

[Knifemaker]

Apologies? No need, This thread was derailed a page or two back, and I share your concerns with what the Gov. is trying to do.
Just sating the obvious. The Radius thread seems to be in it's death throws. A shame, as I have really enjoyed it. Even if id did cost me a wad of cash! LOL!!!

I can't tell you all how much I am enjoying the radius. It is now my adv device. Fits in the hip so well, that I keep forgetting it is there. Oops!

Sorry I posted, but I am missing the Radius talk.

Knife

 

[rbrylawski]

No Apologies Needed...

In My Opinion!!!

By the way, I like your hairstyle RB, Has Charlie seen it yet?

LOLz, Jim

Charlie thinks the pigtails are a hoot. Yes he does. I don't think he'd like 'em on me in person though!

Apologies? No need, This thread was derailed a page or two back, and I share your concerns with what the Gov. is trying to do.
Just sating the obvious. The Radius thread seems to be in it's death throws. A shame, as I have really enjoyed it. Even if id did cost me a wad of cash! LOL!!!

I can't tell you all how much I am enjoying the radius. It is now my adv device. Fits in the hip so well, that I keep forgetting it is there. Oops!

Sorry I posted, but I am missing the Radius talk.

Knife

None of the Provari threads can sustain themselves if we are only to talk about the topic the thread was originally set up to discuss. This thread isn't in its death throws at all. There will still be questions and comments about the Radius, but there will also be other things that will be discussed, which in my opinion makes the thread more interesting. Yes it does!

 

[WillyZee]

would you apologizers stop already ... post whatever comes to mind

yeah, these Provi threads get derailed because there's only so much Radius talk even possible.

People would come into the P3 thread thinking we're still talking about the P3 and find themselves in the middle of 30 pages on No-Ox Lube talk and SR getting the job as President of No-Ox

 

[rbrylawski]

would you apologizers stop already ... post whatever comes to mind

yeah, these Provi threads get derailed because there's only so much Radius talk even possible.

People would come into the P3 thread thinking we're still talking about the P3 and find themselves in the middle of 30 pages on No-Ox Lube talk and SR getting the job as President of No-Ox

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You're welcome!

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

Funny but those mileage meters in cars really do adust drastically depending on driving....at least, every one I've seen.....you are confusing average mpg vs remaining miles on tank meters

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

My car uses my average miles per gallon to figure out the approximate miles left in my tank. My miles per gallon meter never erases its memory, it just keeps track of my average driving over its whole lifespan. That results in a reading that never changes by more than 1% in a 24 hour period. The Radius doesn't seem to save my average vaping and save it, it seems to come up with a new reading all of the time. That results in jumps in battery life by more than 20% multiple times a day. They work completely differently in my experience so far.

Also, we're ignoring the fact that a car provides you with an actual number for your average MPG and miles left before empty. Those readings don't work as a meter; that's why they aren't combined with your actual gas reading. If the Radius was displaying actual numbers with an expected "time left vaping before dead" then that would make sense, but showing me a battery meter that is not an actual battery voltage reading just doesn't work for me.

 

[Bronze]

Apologies? No need, This thread was derailed a page or two back, and I share your concerns with what the Gov. is trying to do.
Just sating the obvious. The Radius thread seems to be in it's death throws. A shame, as I have really enjoyed it. Even if id did cost me a wad of cash! LOL!!!

I can't tell you all how much I am enjoying the radius. It is now my adv device. Fits in the hip so well, that I keep forgetting it is there. Oops!

Sorry I posted, but I am missing the Radius talk.

Knife

Knife, there is no reason why you or anyone else cannot discuss the Radius on the (EDIT: The ProChat thread). That is a general ProVape discussion thread and that includes the Radius.

 

[HBcorpse]

This thread, much like the P3 thread, derailed the second someone got the first shipped Radius!
Hahaha

 

[SeniorBoy]

Respectfully, a fair use extraction (below) normally requires the source/attribution/original author via a link and in this case that would be our very very best friend Dr Farsalinos My apologies in advance for exacerbating the "off topic" nature of my comments but given that it is Dr. F I felt compelled to comment. Back to the topic I promise.

For start, the authors did not find formaldehyde but formaldehyde hemiacetals. This is a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols (formaldehyde-propylene glycol or formaldehyde-glycerol). The authors characterized them as formaldehyde-releasing agents, providing a reference to a study evaluating contact dermatitis from such agents. However, looking at the study referenced, it is clear that those formaldehyde-releasing agents have nothing to do with formaldehyde hemiacetals found in e-cigarette aerosol. Moreover, there is absolutely no evidence that hemiacetals are toxic or carcinogenic. In fact, it is possible that the formation of hemiacetals might protect against damage induced by formaldehyde. Nevertheless, the authors considered the risk equal to formaldehyde and calculated the risk of cancer. There are many other major issues in that study. The authors fail to realize that voltage levels provide no information about the thermal load of an ecigarette device. It seems that both the researchers and the reviewers who approved the study for publication missed that energy should be expressed in watts. As a result, we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer. However, there is a way to approximate this, through the information provided about liquid consumption per puff. The authors report that 5mg of liquid were consumed at 3.3 volts. Based on measurements I have performed, such consumption is observed at about 6-7 watts at 4-second puffs. Thus, the atomizer resistance is probably 1.6-1.8 Ohms. This means that at 5 volts the energy was around 14-16 watts. That would be an extremely high value for most commercially-available atomizers (excluding some rebuildables which can withstand such high wattage levels). Thus, it is more than obvious that once again the atomizer was overheated, which of course will result in very high levels of formaldehyde production. What the authors ignore is that these conditions, commonly called dry-puff phenomenon (which is explained in detail in one of my published studies), are easily detected by the vapers. In fact, overheating results in an unpleasant taste that none can withstand. As a result, no vaper is ever using the e-cigarette at such conditions and, thus, will never be exposed to such levels of formaldehyde. The story published in New England Journal of Medicine is similar to finding carcinogens in an overcooked piece of meat that none can ever eat. Of course the findings are true, but none will be exposed to the levels found.

Tootle puffers rule...

 

[Bronze]

This thread, much like the P3 thread, derailed the second someone got the first shipped Radius!
Hahaha

Yep. That's why there needs to be a ProChat thread. I understand why ProVape starts a product thread but in doing so they fracture things which doesn't lend itself well to keeping ProVape enthusiasts cohesive.

 

[thedudeabides]

Is this ok?

Perfect! Thanks

Looks a bit shorter than a P3 in shorty mode.


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[AstroTurf]

Perfect! Thanks

Looks a bit shorter than a P3 in shorty mode.


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If the P3 had a P3 Kabuki it may even it up a bit...

Just a guess.

Jim


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[gnees]

Perfect! Thanks

Looks a bit shorter than a P3 in shorty mode.


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The Radius has a P3 kabuki, and the P3 has a 510 in the pic. I think they are the same height, with both having the same connection's.

 

[Ca Ike]

My car uses my average miles per gallon to figure out the approximate miles left in my tank. My miles per gallon meter never erases its memory, it just keeps track of my average driving over its whole lifespan. That results in a reading that never changes by more than 1% in a 24 hour period. The Radius doesn't seem to save my average vaping and save it, it seems to come up with a new reading all of the time. That results in jumps in battery life by more than 20% multiple times a day. They work completely differently in my experience so far.

Also, we're ignoring the fact that a car provides you with an actual number for your average MPG and miles left before empty. Those readings don't work as a meter; that's why they aren't combined with your actual gas reading. If the Radius was displaying actual numbers with an expected "time left vaping before dead" then that would make sense, but showing me a battery meter that is not an actual battery voltage reading just doesn't work for me.

Unfurtunately that average number changes depending on your set up. The meter takes your battery capacity (say 2500mah) and divides it by your mah/puff based on your set up/usage and gives you total fuel level available at that consumption rate. It's a good idea but I can see how an actual batt voltage option even if only available in the menu like the 2.5 would be useful as well.

Most don't realize it but even the static fuel gauge on a car works this way but you just don't recognize it. Ever wonder why all of a sudden your tank has less gas than you think it should? Well something changes in your driving habits to use more fuel and the gauge adjusted accordingly. It just doesn't refresh constantly.

 

[The Ocelot]

For start, the authors did not find formaldehyde but formaldehyde hemiacetals. This is a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols (formaldehyde-propylene glycol or formaldehyde-glycerol). The authors characterized them as formaldehyde-releasing agents, providing a reference to a study evaluating contact dermatitis from such agents. However, looking at the study referenced, it is clear that those formaldehyde-releasing agents have nothing to do with formaldehyde hemiacetals found in e-cigarette aerosol. Moreover, there is absolutely no evidence that hemiacetals are toxic or carcinogenic. In fact, it is possible that the formation of hemiacetals might protect against damage induced by formaldehyde. Nevertheless, the authors considered the risk equal to formaldehyde and calculated the risk of cancer. There are many other major issues in that study. The authors fail to realize that voltage levels provide no information about the thermal load of an ecigarette device. It seems that both the researchers and the reviewers who approved the study for publication missed that energy should be expressed in watts. As a result, we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer. However, there is a way to approximate this, through the information provided about liquid consumption per puff. The authors report that 5mg of liquid were consumed at 3.3 volts. Based on measurements I have performed, such consumption is observed at about 6-7 watts at 4-second puffs. Thus, the atomizer resistance is probably 1.6-1.8 Ohms. This means that at 5 volts the energy was around 14-16 watts. That would be an extremely high value for most commercially-available atomizers (excluding some rebuildables which can withstand such high wattage levels). Thus, it is more than obvious that once again the atomizer was overheated, which of course will result in very high levels of formaldehyde production. What the authors ignore is that these conditions, commonly called dry-puff phenomenon (which is explained in detail in one of my published studies), are easily detected by the vapers. In fact, overheating results in an unpleasant taste that none can withstand. As a result, no vaper is ever using the e-cigarette at such conditions and, thus, will never be exposed to such levels of formaldehyde. The story published in New England Journal of Medicine is similar to finding carcinogens in an overcooked piece of meat that none can ever eat. Of course the findings are true, but none will be exposed to the levels found.

Tootle puffers rule...

Eeek! Wall of text! Sorry Ping.

 

[ENAUD]

I'd rather just see where the battery is at in volts, whether static, or under load, either one I can understand. The percentage given by the P3 works well enough for me, I can live with it, it seems to be "pretty accurate". Provape has stated that they don't want to use Temperature guessing, because it has not been perfected, yet they are comfortable using puff counter, and money saved features, which really are "guessing" at actual performance and end user habits. From the posts regarding the battery level of the Radius, it seems another "guess factor" is used. Spin doctors comes to mind.