Official ProVari Radius Thread

[The Ocelot]

Charlie thinks the pigtails are a hoot. Yes he does. I don't think he'd like 'em on me in person though!

Welcome home Honey! Surprise, surprise! BTW, we're having fried chicken and biscuits for dinner.

(Wig and Daisy Dukes sold separately)

 

[chrisz]

Ok, radius question. How many are using their radius at higher wattages? I've been running my atlantis, at about 30 watts. Its my secondary juice, so it is not always in my hand, but I'm still getting a full days use out of the battery.

 

[JohnD0406]

Thanks RB--yes both of my PC's are Windows 7. I use Mac most of the time so I haven't upgraded the PC's. Everything is up to date with the updates on them though. I am out of ideas too.

Firewall, virus scanner, etc. could be getting in the way. Odd to have two computers in the same location with the same problem. What do they have in common?

 

[JohnD0406]

Ok, radius question. How many are using their radius at higher wattages? I've been running my atlantis, at about 30 watts. Its my secondary juice, so it is not always in my hand, but I'm still getting a full days use out of the battery.

I'm using 30W with a SubTank on a 0.5-ohm (new style) vertical coil. Performs great. I get about a day, but that's totally subjective based on how much one vapes.

 

[goofy2302]

Ok, anyone else having issues with this current update....3 computers 3 different cables...same result...network connection error...

Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk

 

[JohnD0406]

I have a lot more confidence in my xtar VP2 charger to correctly charge a battery than any mod.

There's not really a whole lot to charging a Li-ion battery. NiCd's and NiMH's are a lot more complicated. It's kinda like a diesel engine - works right or doesn't work right. As long as it doesn't overcharge, even by a little, it's fine.

I've been doing some testing on the Radius charger. It starts out at 810mA (a little higher than the 800mA rating), and when the battery starts getting close to full, it starts ramping down current - it doesn't just jump to a trickle charge at the bitter end.

 

[rbrylawski]

Welcome home Honey! Surprise, surprise! BTW, we're having fried chicken and biscuits for dinner.

(Wig and Daisy Dukes sold separately)

OK, she's frightening. But yummm to Fried Chicken and Biscuits!

 

[access0denied]

There's not really a whole lot to charging a Li-ion battery. NiCd's and NiMH's are a lot more complicated. It's kinda like a diesel engine - works right or doesn't work right. As long as it doesn't overcharge, even by a little, it's fine.

I've been doing some testing on the Radius charger. It starts out at 810mA (a little higher than the 800mA rating), and when the battery starts getting close to full, it starts ramping down current - it doesn't just jump to a trickle charge at the bitter end.

Any ideas when it starts to drop? How long from when it starts to drop to a full charge?

 

[JohnD0406]

Ok, anyone else having issues with this current update....3 computers 3 different cables...same result...network connection error...

Make sure you use a data cable like the one that came with your Radius. Some cables are power-only. The network error sounds like a firewall issue. Are all 3 computers using the same firewall? Which one? Could also be at the ISP-level - I've been blocked by the strangest sites because someone had a virus/trojan and they block the entire ISP. Too many factors to consider. Try from another location/network.

 

[JohnD0406]

Any ideas when it starts to drop? How long from when it starts to drop to a full charge?

I haven't timed it, or paid close attention since I'm at work, but it seems to start when the battery meter is very close to full (maybe a segment below full). Every few seconds the current drops 10mA or so until it hits absolute zero. Interestingly enough, my USB power strip feeds 5.04V at the beginning of the charge, and 5.25V at the end of the charge. As current drops, voltage goes up. With no cable plugged in, the charger is sending 5.26V down the cable (not plugged into the Radius).

I'll update when I have better info. Depending on how much work I have to do, and how close I pay attention to it, might take a while

 

[USMCotaku]

Unfurtunately that average number changes depending on your set up. The meter takes your battery capacity (say 2500mah) and divides it by your mah/puff based on your set up/usage and gives you total fuel level available at that consumption rate. It's a good idea but I can see how an actual batt voltage option even if only available in the menu like the 2.5 would be useful as well.

Most don't realize it but even the static fuel gauge on a car works this way but you just don't recognize it. Ever wonder why all of a sudden your tank has less gas than you think it should? Well something changes in your driving habits to use more fuel and the gauge adjusted accordingly. It just doesn't refresh constantly.

Car fuel gauges do NOT work in this way. A car fuel gauge is a really simple device actually. An in tank sensor attached to a float. The sensor outputs voltage..the fuller The tank, the higher the voltage output....gauge on the dash is basically a voltage meter tuned to that range.

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[JD53]

I'd rather just see where the battery is at in volts, whether static, or under load, either one I can understand. The percentage given by the P3 works well enough for me, I can live with it, it seems to be "pretty accurate". Provape has stated that they don't want to use Temperature guessing, because it has not been perfected, yet they are comfortable using puff counter, and money saved features, which really are "guessing" at actual performance and end user habits. From the posts regarding the battery level of the Radius, it seems another "guess factor" is used. Spin doctors comes to mind.

Well Stated.

 

[The Ocelot]

Seems it has already been derailed. It use to be a Radius Thread!

Don't we already have a section on the Forum for this topic?

Particularly given its importance.

Respectfully; Knife

 

[ScandaLeX]

Go for it!!

The adult in me says ... That would just be messy & stirring up drama for dramas sake. [emoji52]

The evil lil kid in me says ... What had happened was .... [emoji38]

Note 5!!!

 

[ScandaLeX]

Apologies? No need, This thread was derailed a page or two back, and I share your concerns with what the Gov. is trying to do.
Just sating the obvious. The Radius thread seems to be in it's death throws. A shame, as I have really enjoyed it. Even if id did cost me a wad of cash! LOL!!!

I can't tell you all how much I am enjoying the radius. It is now my adv device. Fits in the hip so well, that I keep forgetting it is there. Oops!

Sorry I posted, but I am missing the Radius talk.

Knife

Not certain why you'd say the Radius thread is in it's death throws. There's not one single thread on ECF that stays on topic. But if it makes you feel better ... #VapeProVari #Radius #ProVape ... Now I'm on topic. [emoji41] [emoji106]

Note 5!!!

 

[beckdg]

For start, the authors did not find formaldehyde but formaldehyde hemiacetals. This is a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols (formaldehyde-propylene glycol or formaldehyde-glycerol). The authors characterized them as formaldehyde-releasing agents, providing a reference to a study evaluating contact dermatitis from such agents. However, looking at the study referenced, it is clear that those formaldehyde-releasing agents have nothing to do with formaldehyde hemiacetals found in e-cigarette aerosol. Moreover, there is absolutely no evidence that hemiacetals are toxic or carcinogenic. In fact, it is possible that the formation of hemiacetals might protect against damage induced by formaldehyde. Nevertheless, the authors considered the risk equal to formaldehyde and calculated the risk of cancer. There are many other major issues in that study. The authors fail to realize that voltage levels provide no information about the thermal load of an ecigarette device. It seems that both the researchers and the reviewers who approved the study for publication missed that energy should be expressed in watts. As a result, we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer. However, there is a way to approximate this, through the information provided about liquid consumption per puff. The authors report that 5mg of liquid were consumed at 3.3 volts. Based on measurements I have performed, such consumption is observed at about 6-7 watts at 4-second puffs. Thus, the atomizer resistance is probably 1.6-1.8 Ohms. This means that at 5 volts the energy was around 14-16 watts. That would be an extremely high value for most commercially-available atomizers (excluding some rebuildables which can withstand such high wattage levels). Thus, it is more than obvious that once again the atomizer was overheated, which of course will result in very high levels of formaldehyde production. What the authors ignore is that these conditions, commonly called dry-puff phenomenon (which is explained in detail in one of my published studies), are easily detected by the vapers. In fact, overheating results in an unpleasant taste that none can withstand. As a result, no vaper is ever using the e-cigarette at such conditions and, thus, will never be exposed to such levels of formaldehyde. The story published in New England Journal of Medicine is similar to finding carcinogens in an overcooked piece of meat that none can ever eat. Of course the findings are true, but none will be exposed to the levels found.

Tootle puffers rule...

Watts has nothing to do with it.

It's temperature exposed to the juice.

A temperature I don't reach at 80 watts any more than my wife does at 30 or my mother does at 7.

Tootle puffing vs cloud chasing or anything in between has nothing to do with surface temp.

Other than that, excellent post.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

There's not really a whole lot to charging a Li-ion battery. NiCd's and NiMH's are a lot more complicated. It's kinda like a diesel engine - works right or doesn't work right. As long as it doesn't overcharge, even by a little, it's fine.

I've been doing some testing on the Radius charger. It starts out at 810mA (a little higher than the 800mA rating), and when the battery starts getting close to full, it starts ramping down current - it doesn't just jump to a trickle charge at the bitter end.

CC/CV algorithm

Constant current charging to start

Constant voltage to finish

Any true lithium charger uses this algorithm, good or garbage.

Some terminate the charge too high or too low. Some the components have too high a tolerance for accuracy and any two identical units side by side will result in one terminating too high while the other too low.

Hence why I don't use my intellichargers for lithium cells any longer.

Even for provape, if the secondary function of the device is not perfect, it's understandable. It is, after all, a secondary function.

I will admit I am interested in a Radius. Especially if provape releases an 80 watt update.

But I will always rely on my xtars first when I want an accurate charge.

Tapatyped

 

[coldgin96]

would you apologizers stop already ... post whatever comes to mind

yeah, these Provi threads get derailed because there's only so much Radius talk even possible.

People would come into the P3 thread thinking we're still talking about the P3 and find themselves in the middle of 30 pages on No-Ox Lube talk and SR getting the job as President of No-Ox

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Funny you brought that up...


I was wondering if anyone could please advise me on how much No-ox to buy? 2oz. container enough? I take it the 8oz tube would probably last me the rest of my life...

Yeah, yeah, I know... This is a Radius thread and it pertains to my P3 but Willy (lol blaming you ) brought it up and I would like a small piece of advice, please.

 

[kbf101998]

Firewall, virus scanner, etc. could be getting in the way. Odd to have two computers in the same location with the same problem. What do they have in common?

I have been trying to figure that out. One is a Dell and one is an HP. The only thing they really have in common is that our internet service is Comcast.

Today--I uninstalled on both--even did a restore on the Dell to wipe out everything, downloaded and installed everything again with virus protection turned off. Still would not work. Uninstalled on the HP laptop--reinstalled with all programs and virus protection off--did not work.

My thoughts were that maybe there is something stopping it through Comcast, although we don't use their virus protection.

I have spent a lot of time on this the last few days, would like to have the update but it is not critical to the Radius performance. After all the holiday rush is over--I am going to contact Provape and see if they have any suggestions and can help.

I really appreciate all the help and tips from everyone--thanks!

 

[ENAUD]

Funny you brought that up...


I was wondering if anyone could please advise me on how much No-ox to buy? 2oz. container enough? I take it the 8oz tube would probably last me the rest of my life...

Yeah, yeah, I know... This is a Radius thread and it pertains to my P3 but Willy (lol blaming you ) brought it up and I would like a small piece of advice, please.

You didn't ask me, but I got a two ounce tub and use it on my Provi's and REOs, and expect it to last for longer than I will be walking this Earth...