OK, why all the ProVari hate?

[Kropotkin]

Actually, my main reasons for not choosing the ProVari were (1) I wanted a simple, mechanical mod, (2) I dislike clicky buttons, and (3) I think it's ugly. There's nothing particularly mysterious or technical about any of those reasons.

But it never seems to occur to ProVari people that others might simply prefer something else for any number of perfectly neutral reasons. And that's the thing that's so odd about them; fans of other devices simply don't make assumptions like that.

 

[dam718]

Actually, my main reasons for not choosing the ProVari were (1) I wanted a simple, mechanical mod, (2) I dislike clicky buttons, and (3) I think it's ugly. There's nothing particularly mysterious or technical about any of those reasons.

But it never seems to occur to ProVari people that others might simply prefer something else for any number of perfectly neutral reasons. And that's the thing that's so odd about them; fans of other devices simply don't make assumptions like that.

Sounds reasonable to me... Your reasons for not wanting one, that is... Reasons for people being so pushy about them is beyond me...

Although, I will say, the button is pretty mushy Not clicky at all!

All your points are pretty spot on though, there are a lot of ProVari users out there that are real jerks.

 

[zapped]

Sounds reasonable to me... Your reasons for not wanting one, that is... Reasons for people being so pushy about them is beyond me...

Although, I will say, the button is pretty mushy Not clicky at all!

All your points are pretty spot on though, there are a lot of ProVari users out there that are real jerks.

Agreed, but I will qualify that by saying I think most of them have been conditioned to be that way after constant attack from the anti's.

I find people defending a quality product much more reasonable than those attacking one, especially when those attacking are helping to promote the very product they revile by keeping it in the top of the forums.

Then theres also the "cutting off of ones nose to spite ones face" mentality. The only person who loses there is the one doing the cutting

 

[Plumes.91]

yeah yeah yeah, and dreaming is so much more sane than reality. I give up on this thread.
I get people angry whenever I try to relay my idea of peace on ecf for the antis and pros.
Seems like its more of miscommunication than anything else sometimes. So whatever guys.
You can't have perfect communication over an internet forum. I'm too lazy to rebut.

Do your best to be fair to other people. If not, whatever, there will be someone to argue with you.

 

[Kropotkin]

. . . I think most of them have been conditioned to be that way after constant attack from the anti's.

But do you honestly think people "attack" the ProVari? I very, very rarely see that.

I think it would be much more accurate to say that people sometimes say, "No, thanks!" when the ProVari is recommended, and that that, all by itself, is construed as an "attack," which in turn results in an avalanche of stats, figures and anecdotal evidence, all "proving" that the offender is mistaken, misguided, inexperienced, cheap or - as in this case - "conditioned".

Why is the idea that certain people simply don't want to own this particular object so completely unacceptable?

 

[eHuman]

Actually, my main reasons for not choosing the ProVari were (1) I wanted a simple, mechanical mod, (2) I dislike clicky buttons, and (3) I think it's ugly. There's nothing particularly mysterious or technical about any of those reasons.

But it never seems to occur to ProVari people that others might simply prefer something else for any number of perfectly neutral reasons. And that's the thing that's so odd about them; fans of other devices simply don't make assumptions like that.

I prefer a Harley. Doesn't mean I hate cars or their owners. I get that a person who prefers a mech mod, and not finding the Provari aestically pleasing to categorically dismiss the Provari a pretty simple and logical choice. It's not their cup of tea.

Preferring something else is a far stones throw away from hating though right?

 

[Kropotkin]

Yes, it is.

My point is that ProVari owners often seem to see simple preference for something else as "hate," and then generate something resembling real hate by pushing and pushing and pushing their point until the other person runs screaming from the room.

 

[eHuman]

You may not be familiar with the many posts that the OP is referring to. Provari owners are frequently ridiculed like Christians at an Atheist convention, just because of their loyalty.

 

[flintlock62]

Besides what you said, it's much more difficult to give as explication over the internet than is is in person. Much is lost at times because people read what is written differently than what the author intended.

You may not be familiar with the many posts that the OP is referring to. Provari owners are frequently ridiculed like Christians at an Atheist convention, just because of their loyalty.

 

[Kropotkin]

You may not be familiar with the many posts that the OP is referring to. Provari owners are frequently ridiculed like Christians at an Atheist convention, just because of their loyalty.

Well then, perhaps they should proselytize a bit less.

I can't say I've ever seen atheists ridicule Buddhist monks, for instance, since they're sensible enough to mind their own business. It's the Holy Rollers that get the grief, and I think its pretty easy to see why.

 

[eHuman]

Well then, perhaps they should proselytize a bit less.

I can't say I've ever seen atheists ridicule Buddhist monks, for instance, since they're sensible enough to mind their own business. It's the Holy Rollers that get the grief, and I think its pretty easy to see why.

How so? they truly believe in their product and believe they are doing you good. I'd say what you are describing is lack of patience. If you truly thought you could save someone from harm or death but had the "common sense" to keep your mouth shut, I'd say you were a hater. What was the OP again?

 

[zapped]

But do you honestly think people "attack" the ProVari? I very, very rarely see that.

I think it would be much more accurate to say that people sometimes say, "No, thanks!" when the ProVari is recommended, and that that, all by itself, is construed as an "attack," which in turn results in an avalanche of stats, figures and anecdotal evidence, all "proving" that the offender is mistaken, misguided, inexperienced, cheap or - as in this case - "conditioned".

Why is the idea that certain people simply don't want to own this particular object so completely unacceptable?

Without mentioning any names, Yes, I do believe that, there are a couple of members of this forum who seek out ANY thread with Provari in it just for the sake of argument.

I dont believe its the norm by any means but it does happen. Ill be the first to tell ya the Provari isnt for everyone and thats absolutely okay.

If it were left at that or as simple as you say we wouldnt be having these arguments every week. The only logical assumption that can be made is that theres more to it than that on both sides of this particular issue.

 

[Baditude]

Well then, perhaps they should proselytize a bit less.

I can't say I've ever seen atheists ridicule Buddhist monks, for instance, since they're sensible enough to mind their own business. It's the Holy Rollers that get the grief, and I think its pretty easy to see why.

Kropotkin, have you ever viewed PBusardo's review of the Provari v2? Even he brings up the zealous loyalty of Provari fans on vaping message boards. If not seen, you only need to watch the first 2 minutes of the video to see this explained:



The infamous quote: "I have one, and I have held one. I have used one, and all I can say is, now I get it."

 

[denali_41]

Without mentioning any names, Yes, I do believe that, there are a couple of members of this forum who seek out ANY thread with Provari in it just for the sake of argument.

very true,,i see the same four id's popping up in provari thread on a regular basis,none of them have ever owned a provari either

you can label me #5 if you feel the need ,i really don't care

The infamous quote: "I have one, and I have held one. I have used one, and all I can say is, now I get it."

after i got my first provari,i had absolutely no desire to look at any of the newest greatest VV\VWmods coming out for 8 months

 

[PLANofMAN]

The infamous quote: "I have one, and I have held one. I have used one, and all I can say is, now I get it."

What's so special about that quote? Just about every new ProVari owner says "Now, I get it!" or "Now I understand.," after using one. If a person is really holding off on a ProVari because of the way they look, they are doing themselves a disservice. This is one mod that would be worth scrapping the externals to put into a boxmod. I'm just glad that I do like the way they look.

 

[Kropotkin]

Kropotkin, have you ever viewed PBusardo's review of the Provari v2?

Well, I've seen it now (oddly enough, I want a ProVari even less than I did before, if that's possible) and I certainly do give old PBussardo points for humor.



If everybody was as light-hearted as that, I think the whole "hate" thing would evaporate in no time.

 

[Baditude]

What's so special about that quote? Just about every new ProVari owner says "Now, I get it!" or "Now I understand.," after using one.

Exactly my point. In his opening skit before his review begins, he is tongue-in-cheek mocking the religious reverance of the fanboys to their Provari. He then describes how Provari owners fervently defend their favorite vaping devices in the forums. Finally, he makes the famous quote. "I have one, and I have held one. I have used one, and all I can say is, now I get it."

If this somehow went over your head, since he now owns and uses a Provari, he now understands the love and devotion.

As has already been pointed out, there are those posters that routinely show up in these Provari vs ____ threads that have never owned a Provari, yet they always show up to say something negative about it, Provape, or anyone promoting either one. Just as one of them accused me in this thread of posting an advertisement for Provape by my merely explaining how Provape prices the Provari so that a basic model is more affordable than one with options that not everyone would want. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/380918-ok-why-all-provari-hate-14.html#post8634607

This gets irritating and frustrating when you are actually providing some good-to-know facts, and then one of the "******"'s mocks what you have just said, This causes a natural desire to do the same to them in return. THAT'S what turns an innocent discussion into a hate thread.

 

[denali_41]

what gets me is the haters\anti-provari zealots are always saying it costs 200 bucks ,

most people already have batts and a charger in their stash as it is !

 

[DPLongo22]

I, for one, am just glad the (darn) things exist. I don't care who uses them, as long as I can.

$200 is just about what I used do spend in 12 days (of smoking).

 

[PLANofMAN]

...I don't care who uses them, as long as I can...

Best thing I've read all day. If everyone used that as a stock answer, maybe we could get our status upgraded from "cult" to "secret society."

Edit: Maybe if we just congregated in one big ongoing thread like the iHy cult does, haters would leave us alone.