Omfg

[DuffyA2Z]

Sorry for your experience. No one should have to go through what you did. This cop was totally ignorant and totally out-of-line. I wish for your sake that it would have happened to me and not you. I would not have reacted as you did, but then I probably would have been arrested. But then the police department would have a false arrest lawsuit on their hands.

You can click on my vaping setups in the link below to see that my vaping equipment looks nothing like a cigarette.


I've used my devices out in public and NEVER had an issue. I have vaped at outdoor professional sporting events, outdoor concerts and festivals, in full view of police and security guards. The original poster just came across a particularly nasty cop and the experience was out of the ordinary.

I agree 100% ... The ignorant s.o.b. would have arrested me and caused a LOT of media attention for vaping...not to mention for my small business.

 

[Theken]

Wish that would happen to me, I would be able to actually purchase all the vaping goodies I wanted with that kind of settlement.

 

[worthatry]

Why? I am not smoking, nor am I doing ANYTHING illegal? It's not my mentality and attitude that is the problem, it is your perception that you don't have the right to vape wherever you want to. There is absolutely NO law against it, and I am not harming anyone else. So what is the problem? If I was asked to stop, I would out of courtesy. But I have vaped everywhere (doctors, dentists, hospitals, airplanes, restaurants, bars, offices) and NEVER once been asked to stop.

In my opinion, it is YOUR mentality and attitude about vaping that needs to step up to the plate and make it more main stream so cops like the one in the OP DON'T think it is unusual.

What you wrote in your post is antagonistic. Your post comes across as if you drive around looking to start an arguement with a cop about vaping. Why? Do you think that a cop is going to change any laws? My post didn't say anything about just allowing cops to push me around. I know vaping is legal and I would have told the cop it's not against the law so move it along. I would not have even done a field sobriety test and would be questioning the probable cause of him pulling me over and him asking me to do it. But driving around LOOKING for a fight with someone that has no way to further your cause whatsoever is wasted energy to say the least.

I am sorry and don't mean to attack you but that is how the post came across to me.

 

[TCasualties]

I'm sorry, that's terrible... I proudly hold my silver bullet up in the window and vape away while I'm driving. I can't wait till a copper pulls me over

 

[Racehorse]

I educated him as much as I could, and told him that there clearly NEEDS to be a policy about it. Things like what happened to me shouldn't happen to innocent citizens. He agreed, and apologized, and said he would bring it up with his superiors to work on getting something in writing. He took the materials I had offered, and I prayed he wasn't just being nice to get rid of me.

You done good........ to use a local colloquialism.

He saw a little white girl and figured I wasn't from the area, and would therefore be a good target to bully.

Doubt that very much. (Most of the people who deliver illegal drugs into the "barrio" as you put it, are white.). I'm sure that police officer has seen a lot, and more than you or I ever want to see.


I'm a little disappointed in some of the responses I see here. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's MHO.

Part of being an "activist" and/or blazing trails is being involved in your community, in a useful and kind way. Name-calling, anger and recriminations are not the way to go. Because, it's more about actually doing the work.

We have an Air Quality Index because a young mother and housewife was sitting in the park 20+ years ago and noticed the air was thick and was worried for her child, and started asking other moms. She eventually testified before a senate sub-committee. She cared, and did the work.

Part of activism and making positve changes in the world. And helping others "see the light", which initially, should always be done with good intent.....to make the world a better place.

It is also about being irreproachable in your own behavior. YOu do not know if that police officer had to tell a parent that morning that thier daughter / son was killed by a drug overdose. You are carrying something he may have no exprience with (as you say, the officer at the police station admitted there is no training around this). Responsible vaping is having the cards from your vendors in the glove compartment, and having a labeled bottle. That's what I do. Why? I am helping them by being able to provide this stuff.......I feel it makes their job easier. It's also about being polite.......so that we can be "good ambassadors" for the vaping community.

I personally WISH for the rest of the world to look at the vaping community as "good folks".....people who have taken a step in the direction of better health.....

Kindness, education, and sharing goes a long long way. There's a lot of work to be done out there. Ask what you can do to make your community better. If that is helping police officers learn more about vaping, so that other vaporers don't get pulled over and harassed, then that's the way to go, IMHO. (Suing them over 3ml of juice certainly isn't. )


Liked the posts about CASAA. Liked the one about Know Your Rights. (part of getting by in the world, esp. in a police station, is knowing how to comport oneself. )

 

[damthisisfun]

Doesnt Wallgreens, CVS and Walmart sell e cigs over there? Idiot cop. Now I really want a cop to pull me over an arrest me so I can sue em.............turds.............I am thinking he probably felt stupid he didnt know what it was and didnt wanna admit to it.....

 

[vsummer1]

What you wrote in your post is antagonistic. Your post comes across as if you drive around looking to start an arguement with a cop about vaping. Why? Do you think that a cop is going to change any laws? My post didn't say anything about just allowing cops to push me around. I know vaping is legal and I would have told the cop it's not against the law so move it along. I would not have even done a field sobriety test and would be questioning the probable cause of him pulling me over and him asking me to do it. But driving around LOOKING for a fight with someone that has no way to further your cause whatsoever is wasted energy to say the least.

I am sorry and don't mean to attack you but that is how the post came across to me.

Actually, what I said was that I live in an area where they train deputies. There are a ton of them here, looking for training experiences. I would love to educate one that thinks pulling me over for vaping is something worth their time. I would welcome the opportunity to show them that PV's come in boxes and large tubes rather than just cig-a-likes. Unfortunately, they apparently know that already so all attempts at a friendly exchange are for naught. I never once indicated I was looking for an argument.

In fact, my ex-husband and father of my children is a deputy, so I am in no way intimated or scared by someone doing their job. I have a much different view of police no doubt, having been around them for so long. And if one of the trainees got pissy with me, like the cop did to the OP, I would be doing all the other deputies a service by keeping that particular trainee from giving them all a bad name some time in the future. It's a public service I tell ya! So, yes, every time I see a young 'un behind the wheel, and I am in no particular hurry, I do indeed vape as if I haven't a care in the world. To date, none of them has found it particularly interesting enough to pull me over. Maybe someday *sigh.

 

[Plumes.91]

I'm so sorry this happened and I'm really proud of you for standing up for yourself!
I agree, please contact CASAA.org again, keep up with this, and keep up with the PD.
If you'd like, that is... It is completely up to you to keep up with this.
But I would like to hear a very happy ending.
I hope that police officer AND THE ONE at the PD stops telling people to GO BACK to smoking!?
Thats insane!

 

[cags]

I used to live in Miami. I think you said it was an unmarked vehicle?
If he was in an unmarked vehicle & did not turn on lights & sirens, are you sure he was a cop?

that is what she said. frankly unless the car is obviously a police car, I'm not stopping unless I find a PD. uniforms, lights, sirens, badges, can't they all be bought?
not that I'm paranoid or anything <G>

 

[gmaffPappy]

I'm sorry that happened to you. It is totally uncalled for and ridiculous.
Your story does, however, comfort me a little. I thought things like that only happened to me
Keep Vaping! It's not illegal (yet)!

Cold Dead Hand!

 

[Caridwen]

You done good........ to use a local colloquialism.



Doubt that very much. (Most of the people who deliver illegal drugs into the "barrio" as you put it, are white.). I'm sure that police officer has seen a lot, and more than you or I ever want to see.


I'm a little disappointed in some of the responses I see here. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's MHO.

Part of being an "activist" and/or blazing trails is being involved in your community, in a useful and kind way. Name-calling, anger and recriminations are not the way to go. Because, it's more about actually doing the work.

We have an Air Quality Index because a young mother and housewife was sitting in the park 20+ years ago and noticed the air was thick and was worried for her child, and started asking other moms. She eventually testified before a senate sub-committee. She cared, and did the work.

Part of activism and making positve changes in the world. And helping others "see the light", which initially, should always be done with good intent.....to make the world a better place.

It is also about being irreproachable in your own behavior. YOu do not know if that police officer had to tell a parent that morning that thier daughter / son was killed by a drug overdose. You are carrying something he may have no exprience with (as you say, the officer at the police station admitted there is no training around this). Responsible vaping is having the cards from your vendors in the glove compartment, and having a labeled bottle. That's what I do. Why? I am helping them by being able to provide this stuff.......I feel it makes their job easier. It's also about being polite.......so that we can be "good ambassadors" for the vaping community.

I personally WISH for the rest of the world to look at the vaping community as "good folks".....people who have taken a step in the direction of better health.....

Kindness, education, and sharing goes a long long way. There's a lot of work to be done out there. Ask what you can do to make your community better. If that is helping police officers learn more about vaping, so that other vaporers don't get pulled over and harassed, then that's the way to go, IMHO. (Suing them over 3ml of juice certainly isn't. )


Liked the posts about CASAA. Liked the one about Know Your Rights. (part of getting by in the world, esp. in a police station, is knowing how to comport oneself. )

Sorry, I don't buy it.

She's using a legal substance. It's advertised on TV and used by millions of people. He's a police officer, not our 90 year old shut-in neighbor. What do they tell us? Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Goes double for someone that's supposed to actually enforce the law.

I find it borderline unbelievable. Not that I don't believe the OP, but I wonder if it was an actual police officer. Everything he did was so bizarre from what he said to spilling out liquid.

 

[j4mmin42]

If this ever happens to me, I'll be sending a bill to the police dept. for dumping the juice/confiscating anything, and I would seriously consider a lawyer's help if they were really harassing me during the stop...

 

[Lowstorm]

All I have to say is


You go girl! Heh, good job going back down to the station to talk to them. Even if it was a dead end.

 

[OR-DMBFAN]

I wouldn't have dumped out my juice. Simply on the principle of it. I know better than to purposely antagonize police officers and all, but in this situation he was WAY out of line. You didn't do anything illegal and were bullied by an ignorant jerk. I would have offered to go to the Police Station and have the juice tested for illegal substances if he so wished. Good grief...sorry you had to go through that! Vape on!

 

[Racehorse]

She's using a legal substance.

I do understand your point. However, look at the other side of the coin.

While complaining that police officers don't have the right training, some citizens don't have the training that the police DO have.

I'm sure all of you do realize that the new trend is that illegal drugs are now being disguised as, and in, liquids. Drugs that used to be in dry form. This IS the newest format of drug traffacking.

Of course, citizens will be complaining when their children are killed by these things, that the police aren't doing all they can.

So, unmarked bottle of liquid.......legal? How do you know, Carwiden? OP admitted she was adjacent to "the barrio."


I have no problem with police officers, if polite, erring on the side of caution. My experience with police officers, being a law abiding citizen, has always been very positive. I feel it is a hard job to protect our communities these days.

I was pulled over last month for weaving just a little...it was raining really hard and I was out of town on streets I wasn't familiar with. The police officer was super nice to me, but mentioned there were some concerts and parties going on, and he has to make sure there are no drunk drivers on the road. GOOD for him, IMHO. As soon as I said what it was, and he could see me, he mentioned my windows "were" a little fogged up, and understood. He even apologized to me, but said he has to err on the side of caution and also wanted to make sure I was "alright". He also said he wanted me to stay safe and that this weather wasn't a good night to be out on the road, so he hoped I could get my errands done and get home safely.

 

[Hagphish]

I think the best thing you can do is be aware of the laws in your state. For the sake of being in the clear if a cop questions you about your vaporizer again, make sure to always have a container of e-juice with you that is labeled as such. This could have made the cop be a little more relaxed with the whole situation once he saw a container that proved what you were telling him was true.

I've learned that you cannot make a statement like "A cop can't do that". Police officers can and will do whatever they want to do. Some police officers are extremely level headed while others aren't. Unfortunately, it's just the luck of the draw.

 

[elmattias]

I do understand your point. However, look at the other side of the coin.

While complaining that police officers don't have the right training, some citizens don't have the training that the police DO have.

I'm sure all of you do realize that the new trend is that illegal drugs are now being disguised as, and in, liquids. Drugs that used to be in dry form.

Of course, citizens will be complaining when their children are killed by these things, that the police aren't doing all they can.

I have no problem with police officers, if polite, erring on the side of caution. My experience with police officers, being a law abiding citizen, has always been very positive. I feel it is a hard job to protect our communities these days.

I was pulled over last month for weaving just a little...it was raining really hard and I was out of town on streets I wasn't familiar with. The police officer was super nice to me, but mentioned there were some concerts and parties going on, and he has to make sure there are no drunk drivers on the road. GOOD for him, IMHO. As soon as I said what it was, and he could see me, he mentioned my windows "were" a little fogged up, and understood. He even apologized to me, but said he has to err on the side of caution and also wanted to make sure I was "alright". He also said he wanted me to stay safe and that this weather wasn't a good night to be out on the road, so he hoped I could get my errands done and get home safely.

i'm sorry but the argument seems flawed, the girl was being nice and overly cooperative with the officer, i'll bring up the point again:

if you have a coffee in a plain styrofoam cup, and it doesn't have a label, do you have to dump it out because it isn't labelled? what about a coke you ripped the label off of? what if you were a smoker that rolled your own cigarettes and didn't have the bag of bugler with you, do you then have to rip apart your cigarettes because they aren't labelled?

the whole situation was BS, he was a stupid pig and deserves whatever punishment he gets. this was uncalled for....total police harassment case if i've ever seen one, no one should have to dump anything simply because it wasn't labelled, especially after submitting to and passing both a FSB and breathalizer.

 

[Racehorse]

Carwiden, it never occurred to me maybe the guy wasn't a police officer. Not that is really scary!

 

[Racehorse]

make sure to always have a container of e-juice with you that is labeled as such. This could have made the cop be a little more relaxed with the whole situation once he saw a container that proved what you were telling him was true

That was really my point from the beginning. I said I do that "to make it easier" on everybody.

BTW, I never got on an airplane with my former American Spirit tobacco in an unmarked tin, even though I always dumped my new bag of AS into a tin. I always bought new bags and carried the marked ones in my carry-ons. That of course,goes double if crossing any international borders. Does it prove anything, no....but as you said "it helps".

 

[patkin]

Commerically labelled bottles along with the vendor's card to go with it will be in my case. It may, however, carry a diy mix instead of the original vendor's one. That's just how stupid that law is but I'll play it safe and hope they don't check further and find the pill box containing the several pills a day I have to take. Really its the punks who have caused all this mess for law-abiding folks. I can't even buy a touch-up can of spray paint without showing ID nor over-the-counter cold meds and so many more without signing for them. I'm really sick of it.