Omfg

[Hagphish]

The fact is, nicotine is a drug. I don't know the law, but just based on that fact I would look into the laws about it in your area. You may very well have to have the labeled container with you. Either way, this cop sounds like a ..... He obviously abused his power cause he felt like it. sick

 

[Chrispixx]

make sure to always have a container of e-juice with you that is labeled as such. This could have made the cop be a little more relaxed with the whole situation once he saw a container that proved what you were telling him was true.

Agree totally. This was the whole problem, the unlabeled bottle. It may have not been in all cases but sure seems like it for you. If you had a bottle labeled from the juice vendor to show what it was it more than likely would have ended there.

If you don't want to carry a big bottle of juice, order a 10ml bottle of the same flavor so it easier to carry, and then refill from the big bottle as needed.

The labeled bottle of juice is in my fridge, because the package said it would keep better that way.

I have never heard of this. For any juice i have ever bought, it was suggested to "keep it in a cool dry place" nothing about refrigeration.

 

[JudeD]

I am never obnoxious when vaping in public. I don't blow huge plumes of vapor, you can keep it to yourself easy enough. For instance, last night I was at a birthday party at a restaurant. Until I knew if they were vape friendly or not, I limited my exhales so no clouds were visible or bothering anyone. Once the waitress came by and asked me about it and stated she would love more information on it, I was home free and vaped a little heavier, though still not like I do in the comfort of my own space (car, outside, or in my home).


The only time I blew it near someone's face was when they asked me to so they could smell my gooey caramel cookie. Otherwise, I keep it to myself. There is absolutely no need to create a cloud when in a group.

Oh, sorry, hon, I can see why you would think I was responding to your post, but I wasn't. I was just making a general statement about how it's tricky for all of us because we want to be out there in public so people get used to the idea of vaping, but we don't want to be pests about it. I read threads about this on here a lot and I'm often torn. I read people's posts saying we should vape everywhere to show people it's not smoke and I think that's a good point, but then I read posts saying we will anger people and we'll have better PR if we aren't in people's faces and I think that's a good point.

 

[fwellers]

i'm sorry but the argument seems flawed, the girl was being nice and overly cooperative with the officer, i'll bring up the point again:

if you have a coffee in a plain styrofoam cup, and it doesn't have a label, do you have to dump it out because it isn't labelled? what about a coke you ripped the label off of? what if you were a smoker that rolled your own cigarettes and didn't have the bag of bugler with you, do you then have to rip apart your cigarettes because they aren't labelled?

the whole situation was BS, he was a stupid pig and deserves whatever punishment he gets. this was uncalled for....total police harassment case if i've ever seen one, no one should have to dump anything simply because it wasn't labelled, especially after submitting to and passing both a FSB and breathalizer.

Please delete my post it is a mistake.

 

[fwellers]

I do understand your point. However, look at the other side of the coin.

While complaining that police officers don't have the right training, some citizens don't have the training that the police DO have.

I'm sure all of you do realize that the new trend is that illegal drugs are now being disguised as, and in, liquids. Drugs that used to be in dry form. This IS the newest format of drug traffacking.

Of course, citizens will be complaining when their children are killed by these things, that the police aren't doing all they can.

So, unmarked bottle of liquid.......legal? How do you know, Carwiden? OP admitted she was adjacent to "the barrio."


I have no problem with police officers, if polite, erring on the side of caution. My experience with police officers, being a law abiding citizen, has always been very positive. I feel it is a hard job to protect our communities these days.

I was pulled over last month for weaving just a little...it was raining really hard and I was out of town on streets I wasn't familiar with. The police officer was super nice to me, but mentioned there were some concerts and parties going on, and he has to make sure there are no drunk drivers on the road. GOOD for him, IMHO. As soon as I said what it was, and he could see me, he mentioned my windows "were" a little fogged up, and understood. He even apologized to me, but said he has to err on the side of caution and also wanted to make sure I was "alright". He also said he wanted me to stay safe and that this weather wasn't a good night to be out on the road, so he hoped I could get my errands done and get home safely.

Sorry, I cannot abide someone making excuses for ignorant authorities run amuck. That was a horrible abuse to be subjected to, and that ignorant power hungry cop doesn't need excuses, he needs remedial training ! These kind of abuses incense me !

 

[el lobo furtivo]

Whoa whoa whoa. OP, I just read what happened when you went to the station today and I breezed through the rest of the responses so I apologize if someone else brought this up but...

Let me get this staright, you are a pretty young white girl, in "the barrio" pulling out of a Walmart parking lot, doing nothing wrong when an unmarked black SUV pulls up next to you, flashes a badge and tells you to pull over? No offense but are you crazy? Laws may be different in whatever state you're in but police officers are not allowed to make traffic stops in unmarked cars here. Not to mention what off duty or undercover cop is making traffic stops? This all sounds very, very suspect in my opinion. I would push the issue with the police department and demand they investigate and identify the officer. Call and request to talk to the police chief if necessary.

And if that ever happens again, you can call 911 and tell them someone claiming to be an officer in an unmarked car is attempting to pull you over. They'll either verify his identity or send the cavalry.

 

[Caridwen]

Sorry, I cannot abide someone making excuses for ignorant authorities run amuck. That was a horrible abuse to be subjected to, and that ignorant power hungry cop doesn't need excuses, he needs remedial training ! These kind of abuses incense me !

I think people are just trying to look at this from all angles because frankly it's so out of the norm. She probably handled it right- didn't argue at the time (how can you really argue with that logic) and speak to someone the next day. I'd throw some pamphlets in the glove box and vape on the down low in that area.

Note to self: Always use my 510 mini when I drive and stay out of Walmart parking lots.

 

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Wyniverrn
The labeled bottle of juice is in my fridge, because the package said it would keep better that way.

I have never heard of this. For any juice i have ever bought, it was suggested to "keep it in a cool dry place" nothing about refrigeration.

me neither. I've never seen that on a bottle of ejuice.

 

[Robino1]

Oh, sorry, hon, I can see why you would think I was responding to your post, but I wasn't. I was just making a general statement about how it's tricky for all of us because we want to be out there in public so people get used to the idea of vaping, but we don't want to be pests about it. I read threads about this on here a lot and I'm often torn. I read people's posts saying we should vape everywhere to show people it's not smoke and I think that's a good point, but then I read posts saying we will anger people and we'll have better PR if we aren't in people's faces and I think that's a good point.

It is a fine line we need to walk. I just figure that I will treat people the way I want to be treated. With respect. At the same time I deserve respect also. There is no use arguing with disrespectful people. That isn't a win situation. Depending on the particulars, we need to make the decision whether to argue our case or not.

In my thinking, I'm blazing the trail for all the vapers that come after me. Trust me, that is usually not my norm. But in this? My passion is stronger than my shyness. I have never found any other way to quit smoking successfully. So far I have not run into any of the ANTZ types so I haven't been tested. I do know a couple of people that, even though they are happy that I have quit smoking, think that I should quit vaping in time. There is no way that I will change their minds and I know this. I just say ok, at least I'm not smoking today and who knows what tomorrow will bring.... I don't concede to their way of thinking. I just let them think what they want.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

Whoa whoa whoa. OP, I just read what happened when you went to the station today and I breezed through the rest of the responses so I apologize if someone else brought this up but...

Let me get this staright, you are a pretty young white girl, in "the barrio" pulling out of a Walmart parking lot, doing nothing wrong when an unmarked black SUV pulls up next to you, flashes a badge and tells you to pull over? No offense but are you crazy? Laws may be different in whatever state you're in but police officers are not allowed to make traffic stops in unmarked cars here. Not to mention what off duty or undercover cop is making traffic stops? This all sounds very, very suspect in my opinion. I would push the issue with the police department and demand they investigate and identify the officer. Call and request to talk to the police chief if necessary.

And if that ever happens again, you can call 911 and tell them someone claiming to be an officer in an unmarked car is attempting to pull you over. They'll either verify his identity or send the cavalry.

Si, Lobo. Es verdad.
Yep. Happens in Miami all the time.
It's easy to fake being a cop. Some of 'em even have blue and/or red flashing lights.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I would not stop for any car that is not looking like a real cop car! NEVER. I was taught how to tell the difference. Drive to the nearest police station.

 

[Bosco]

Since I started vaping 3 weeks ago I have been wondering what people might think this strange looking device is (I have an ego twist with a clearomizer). Before 3 weeks ago - I had never even heard of an electronic cigarette. When I saw my brother pull one out - my first question was . . ."what the heck kind of drugs are you doing?". Note - neither my brother nor I use drugs (other than nicotine and caffeine) but I thought maybe he "broke bad" or something, lol.

Then he explained it to me and let me try one and I was sold! I truly hope that ignorance doesn't lead to a ban because my life has gotten so much better in only 3 weeks time, it's hard to comprehend. I no longer stink, my teeth have brightened up, my sense of smell is better, my breathing is better, my addiction to nicotine has weakened and I just plain feel better.

Additional bonuses are that I am more productive since I don't have to go outside and take smoke breaks nor do I have to bother anybody with the smell of ciggie smoke when I return.

In the same position as the OP, I probably would've done the same thing . . just dump out the liquid and do whatever the officer said (hopefully it *was* a real officer). . .but I'm a conformist . .that's what got me into this whole cigarette mess to begin with

 

[Balter]

I would file a formal complaint. What you just experienced was illegal. The burden of proof is NOT on you to prove that what you're doing is legal - its on the police to prove its illegal.

File a complaint with the police district you were pulled over in.

 

[fwellers]

I think people are just trying to look at this from all angles because frankly it's so out of the norm. She probably handled it right- didn't argue at the time (how can you really argue with that logic) and speak to someone the next day. I'd throw some pamphlets in the glove box and vape on the down low in that area.

Note to self: Always use my 510 mini when I drive and stay out of Walmart parking lots.

Oh yea, I can relate to the OP's reactions. You have to be in a rare mood to buck the cops, because they really have all the power out n the street. Something tells me this cop wouldn't have learned anything or even changed his tactics even if he was shown the pamphlet.

 

[gzin44]

As a former law enforcement person I would have just said arrest me because I have done nothing wrong. If you feel I need to dump my fluid you need to test to see if it is illegal and when you find it is not you better pay me for littering and wasting my fluid. Making you pour it out is completely stupid and he was just on a power trip. They would have had to haul me away in cuffs then suffered the consiquences of their actions. As long as you are of age to smoke they have no right to harass you. They do have the right to pull you over and question what you are doing, but then when they find out it is nothing illegal they need to let you be on your way. I have actually been pulled over for vaping but the cop was senseable and said sorry for the inconvenience and let me go.

 

[synthros]

The fact is, nicotine is a drug. I don't know the law, but just based on that fact I would look into the laws about it in your area. You may very well have to have the labeled container with you. Either way, this cop sounds like a ..... He obviously abused his power cause he felt like it. sick

That doesn't ring right. I'm not required to keep cigarettes in the box they came in. Nicotine is sold over the counter in countless fashions, cigaretts, lozenges, patches, gum,snus, snuff,chew etc. I don't have to "prove" anything about them, their origins, where I got them. Nor am I required to keep proof, permission or them only in their original containers. E-liquid is just one more completely legal nicotine containing substance. I guess if you're worried about having to prove it to someone you could carry the bottle, but there is no legal requirement to do so unless I'm seriously missing something. The burden of proof is most certainly not on me to prove I'm not doing something illegal. That's their problem!

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

Since this happened in Orange County and it was a Sheriff's Deputy I would assume that the Orange County Sheriff's Office (OCSO dot com) would be interested in knowing how many people (possible voters, potential tourists, and concerned citizens) are upset by Law Enforcement Officers telling non-smokers (which you are if you Vape only) that they should smoke tobacco.

It would be nice if people could send them a Christmas Card (maybe a box of chocolates as well. Lol) but much more convenient to send a Post Card (each person could send 10 Post Cards for less than the price of a pack of smokes in most places). A short, concise, POLITE comment to the Sheriff would possibly enlighten him to the fact that word travels fast in these modern times.

Impolite comments are best expressed here in the Forum. They take away from legitimate complaints if delivered as Hate Mail. I would not encourage e-mail messages since your e-mail address becomes public information if you use it (according to their web site).

I'm curious how many people will take this small step to help educate others. Remember, we want to build bridges and gather support rather than antagonize people and risk being ignored, or worse.

Let's Win Friends and Influence People!

 

[Hagphish]

My whole point is that if there is a police officer on a power trip, there is nothing you can do about it. A cigarette is easily distiguishable as a cigarette. They have a makers mark right on them. An unmarked liquid container could be anything in the eyes of a cop. It's just good practice to have any liquid labeled no matter what it is.

It doesn't matter what the law is if you are being pulled over. A police officer can violate any law he/she wants to. It's just your word against theirs in a court. There is not a judge there witnessing the traffic stop, so an officer doesn't have to follow protocol if they don't want to. It's a brutal fact of life. Say yes officer and no officer, and be sure you know the law. Nothing can save you from a corrupt cop.

 

[redbucket]

I would file a formal complaint. What you just experienced was illegal. The burden of proof is NOT on you to prove that what you're doing is legal - its on the police to prove its illegal.

File a complaint with the police district you were pulled over in.

That's only true if the poster was arrested and being charged with a crime. If the offer just said "you should empty out those bottles so I don't think it's anything illegal", with the implicit threat of continued harassment for noncompliance... that's actually totally legal for cops to do.

 

[Kable]

That doesn't ring right. I'm not required to keep cigarettes in the box they came in. Nicotine is sold over the counter in countless fashions, cigaretts, lozenges, patches, gum,snus, snuff,chew etc. I don't have to "prove" anything about them, their origins, where I got them. Nor am I required to keep proof, permission or them only in their original containers. E-liquid is just one more completely legal nicotine containing substance. I guess if you're worried about having to prove it to someone you could carry the bottle, but there is no legal requirement to do so unless I'm seriously missing something. The burden of proof is most certainly not on me to prove I'm not doing something illegal. That's their problem!

I agree with your points, but I still think it might be wise to carry evidence of what you're using. Not that you legally have to, but it can potentially protect you from added hassle. An unmarked bottle of e juice might appear pretty ambiguous to someone who doesn't know what it is.

My brother and his wife were beaten by a group of cops, then arrested on false charges. It took them months and several thousand dollars to clear their records. This world isn't always just, and I prefer to play it safe.