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EddardinWinter

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Hey everybody. I went to the PD this morning! Here's what happened...

Okay, so I spoke to one Officer Johnson about what had happened yesterday. I brought my kit with me, along with a printed copy of that poster that shows the health effects of smoking compared to vaping. I also brought my smartphone with some vendors' websites loaded up, and this forum, and a business card for the only shop in town I've found thus far that sells more than disposable e-cigs. I explained what I had been doing, and how the officer had treated me, and how much it had upset me. This whole time, I was very sweet and polite. Officer Johnson was polite as well. He told me that there currently wasn't a policy for e-cigs that don't look like e-cigs, and that he wasn't aware such a thing existed. "Normal" e-cigs are treated exactly the same as tobacco cigs. I educated him as much as I could, and told him that there clearly NEEDS to be a policy about it. Things like what happened to me shouldn't happen to innocent citizens. He agreed, and apologized, and said he would bring it up with his superiors to work on getting something in writing. He took the materials I had offered, and I prayed he wasn't just being nice to get rid of me.

The only thing that ...... me off was that when I asked him what steps he thought I should take to ensure I didn't run into this trouble again (should I carry the labeled bottle with me, should I carry business cards, what?) he told me that, "Honestly, if want to quit smoking, should just try some Nicorette and leave this controversy alone."
I told him that I wasn't trying to "quit smoking" so much as I was trying to "replace smoking." For people like me, I explained, it's not just the nicotine that's a factor. It's the hand-to-mouth thing, and the warm inhale, and the mental break that comes with stepping out for a smoke. I'm under a lot of stress as a performer and a student, and I don't really have the fortitude to just "quit." I've tried patches and lozenges and gums in the past, and I've always gone right back to the pipe as soon as life gets hairy. Vaping is a way to get off of the pipe for good, but still keep the behavioral aspects of the habit that are so much more important to my ability to cope with stress. It's much, much healthier for me and everone around me, and totally legal. I told him all this with as gentle a smile as I could muster, even though I sortof wanted to bludgeon him to death.

He didn't give me the officer's name. I told him that a youngish (maybe 25-30?) hispanic officer in an unmarked black SUV had pulled me over as I was leaving Walmart Neighborhood Market, and that I had been so upset I forgot to get the officer's name. Officer Johnson said he would "look into" who had been in that area at the time, and see if he could find out who had pulled me over. He asked me why I had been pulled over in the first place, and I had to admit I didn't know. The officer in question pulled up next to me at the traffic light, rolled down his window, flashed his badge, and yelled at me to pull over, which I did. Then, the situation I described in the first post happened.

When I was pulled over, I was driving an enormous and ancient Ford F250 (circa '81). I was dressed in jeans, a t-shirt, and a hooded sweatshirt with my college's logo on it. I'm young, white, and VERY babyfaced (as in, I routinely get carded to see R movies, and have been pulled over before for looking like a runaway that's too young to have a driver's license), especially when I'm not wearing makeup, like last night. I didn't tell the PD this, but I'm telling you guys so that you can understand the situation a little better. It also helps to know that I live...Well...There's no polite way to put this, so I'll just say it: I live in the barrio. When I went to the Walmart, I'm pretty sure was literally the only white person in there. Not to be racist, but I think that's part of why the cop pulled me over. He saw a little white girl and figured I wasn't from the area, and would therefore be a good target to bully. Not to mention that the poor little white girl is probably going to run back to Baldwin Park and cry rather than actually do anything about his ***hattery. *grumblegrumble*

So yeah...That's the update. I'm in contact with the CASAA currently, and hoping that maybe they can help me figure out where to go from here.

Thank you guys again for all your support. Reading this thread gave me the guts to vape all the way down to the PD this morning, and go in with confidence and a smile. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU all for backing me up. I am so glad I found this place. If I hadn't, I don't know if I might have just let the incident go, or if I'd have been too scared to keep vaping, or what I would have done. Thank you all.


If you feel okay with this resolution, that is good enough. I also am not pleased with the officer telling you to stay away from this controversy. He should have given you the arresting officer's name. The arresting officer has yours. You have been very brave and I am happy you have gone from being afraid to vape in public to taking the info to the police and telling them what for. This guy appears to be attempting to cover for his brother LEO.

You will not be made a victim again. If you wish to carry it a bit further, talk to the captain and tell him about this experience at the scene AND the reaction you got at the PD. Share exactly how it has made you feel. Give him a balanced version of the PD officer's reaction (which while it was imperfect, had the original officer handled it this well it would have never been an issue). He may feel the need to educate his officers and your experience could make a real difference to others. Imagine that! The baby faced heroine of Baldwin Park making the world a safer place to vape in.

Good luck, thanks for sharing your story. I hope this becomes a personal growth experience for you and a lesson in enforcing your boundaries. Life gives me opportunities for these lessons all the time, sometimes I take advantage of them. It sounds like you are making the most of this one.
 

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Well, I think you should calm down a bit and call the police department and ask to speak to someone about the entire incident.

#1 Cops don't make you dump illegal drugs and leave them on the ground...


This they actually do. Alot of times they will have you destroy the stuff instead of taking you in / writing you up.
 

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this paragraph is crock. dashcams. nuff said.

if a cop is doing you an injustice these days, it's on camera....audio and video, a lawyer will know to supeona (spelling?) that footage, and it will show every ounce of harassment and injustice done.

and the one sentance that burned me up: a police officer is not above the law, they cannot violate "any law they want" as you say...corrupt cops are found out about eventually, corruption comes out...want proof? look up the danzinger bridge incident.

you can say whatever you want, but much like no criminal can outrun the radio/helicopter combo, the officers themselves cannot outrun the videotape. THAT is the brutal fact that we should be focusing on, this guy is lucky it wasn't me, because i'd have him working unarmed security at wal mart for the rest of his life while i'm driving my brand new cadillac...

i've been a victim of police corruption before....i was hit THREE TIMES (by the same car no less) at a legal red light, yet the officer tried to pin the accident on me....i was arrested, brought to court, and my lawyer was there to clear my name (and bring me a nice settlement to get a brand new truck) plus wages lost, personal grievance, and defamation of character was tacked on.....the police can be beaten, you just have to know which battles to pick....this one i would have GLADLY taken.

Whether you want to believe it or not, injustice happens everyday. It's naive to think it does not. I have experienced it first hand. Spend some time in rural Texas then tell be that my comments are a "crock". The point remains the same. Be aware of the local laws so you can properly defend yourself.
 

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This they actually do. Alot of times they will have you destroy the stuff instead of taking you in / writing you up.

Yeah? I have seen them making kids pour out beer, but I am thinking DRUGS as the officer stated. I can't see an officer dumping a bag of 'this N that' in the street... I don't even know the names for stuff now >.< This N that'll have to do :p
 

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Just so people know, I contacted the original poster of this thread yesterday to get more information. CASAA is definitely pursuing this matter!
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Yeah? I have seen them making kids pour out beer, but I am thinking DRUGS as the officer stated. I can't see an officer dumping a bag of 'this N that' in the street... I don't even know the names for stuff now >.< This N that'll have to do :p

I've seen it done. I think they're more likely to do it at big events where drug use is so prevalent that it isn't really practical to arrest everybody they catch, but it does happen.
 

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I live in Florida an right outside of Orlando. I am in Orange Co. alot. First in Florida you have the right when pulled over to go to the first well lit aera before stopping. Time to call 911 if you want. Do not make it seem like you are fleeing. Second don't worry too much I was at Ft Christmas a few weeks ago at the Cracker fest and Vaped all over and The Orange Co Sheriff Dept was there in force. I even sawa couple of Vapers I was not able to catch up to them to talk to them though.
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You make a good point, and I've been living here long enough that I ought to know that by now. I guess when I get pissy, as much as I try to avoid it, I still fall back into my "rich white kid" roots and subtle biggotry. Thanks for that post. It really helped me calm down about the whole thing. I still don't think that cop treated me right, or that his actions were excusable, but you reminded me that he's a real person, just like me, not some faceless monster. :)

Although...As people have mentioned...I don't really know that he even WAS a cop. He was wearing a uniform and had a radio, but his car was unmarked, I didn't get his badge number or name, and I only saw his badge when he pulled me over. No flashy lights in or on the SUV, and I never heard his radio make any noise.

Oh man...I hope I didn't just run into some armed nutcase...If so, I'm REALLY glad I co-operated with him.

He did have a breathylizer thingy. But you know, I've never seen one before, so I don't even know how to tell if THAT was real! Oh my lord, that's scary!

What are you supposed to do in this instance? The PD isn't really near where he pulled me over, and I'm not sure where the closest fire station or something is. Should I have called 911 and asked them? Isn't it illegal to use 911 when it's not an emergency? Sorry, I'm not trying to sound stupid...I guess I'm just really uninformed. I never realized it before. Yikes.
 
she wouldn't have went to jail....she would have been arrested and almost immediately released, chances of her stepping into a holding cell would be slim even...

you're talking about an american woman, with rights, that blew zeros on a breath test, and passed a field sobriety, and is getting harassed over an ecig after having a cop completely illegally search her car for drugs and come up empty handed because all that was in the tube was nicotine, which is not a prescribed drug....if someone rolls their own cigarettes, is that considered a drug if they don't have the bag of bugler with them? no. same rights for vapers....the cop should be sued. end of story.

I dont see them putting her in jail at all, at least the captain better hope they didnt allow her into a jail cell for something so stupid or else there really would be some chaos. Also people please keep in mind, YOU DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS UNLESS YOU USE THEM. Until you actually say something to the officer, as far as their concerned you truly dont have any. If you allow an officer to walk all over you like that, they will. I thought it was a communities job to stand up and say something when this country got overwhelmed by power tripping *enter some colorful words*. Nothings going to change unless something is said or done.
 

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You were near or at a Walmart. I would put my hand out the window and motioned that I was headed there so the cop knew I wasn't running. Then I would have pulled up in front of the Walmart or well lit area with people present... witnesses usually change the scenario.

I'll give you an example: I was living in the suburbs of Dallas TX in the 70s a copy showed up at my door and showed his badge through the window. I did not open the door and called the PD to see if he was legit. As it turns out there was a guy in uniform showing what looked like a legit badge at the door and raping women when they got inside. So always think of your own safety first and don't be intimidated by "authority" figures.
 

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Just so people know, I contacted the original poster of this thread yesterday to get more information. CASAA is definitely pursuing this matter!

Will you please post back and let everyone here know the actual outcome, if any.

There was a lot about this that didn't add up for me.
 

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Well, I haven't heard anything back from the PD yet. Not sure whether or not I will. The guy I spoke to indicated that he would call me and let me know if they figured out who pulled me over, and I have my my phone number, but...Yeah, I don't know whether or not he meant it. I hope he did.

Oh man...Reading Patkin's post has REALLY got me worried about this mess. But I figure he probably was a cop, because a fake one would have done a lot worse than make me pour out my e-juice, I'm sure.

But I tell you what...From now on, if I get pulled over by ANY cop near any kind of civilization (Walmart, CVS, gas station...) I'm sticking my head out the window, telling him where I'm going, and pulling over in a well-lit area with witnesses! That's for sure!
 

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One of our questions was whether or not he was even a sheriff, too. We were hoping she'd be able to find out at the station. Greg is our pitbull with making calls and getting information though and he's on it. But even if we never find out the actual name, this is still an opportunity to educate police. At the CASAA board meeting last night I mentioned to the rest of the directors that this isn't the first time I've heard a story like this. So, this could give us a template for handling future cases, as well. We'll definitely give a follow up report.
 

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One of our questions was whether or not he was even a sheriff, too. We were hoping she'd be able to find out at the station. Greg is our pitbull with making calls and getting information though and he's on it. But even if we never find out the actual name, this is still an opportunity to educate police. At the CASAA board meeting last night I mentioned to the rest of the directors that this isn't the first time I've heard a story like this. So, this could give us a template for handling future cases, as well. We'll definitely give a follow up report.

Yay CASAA...give them hell.

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One of our questions was whether or not he was even a sheriff, too. We were hoping she'd be able to find out at the station. Greg is our pitbull with making calls and getting information though and he's on it. But even if we never find out the actual name, this is still an opportunity to educate police. At the CASAA board meeting last night I mentioned to the rest of the directors that this isn't the first time I've heard a story like this. So, this could give us a template for handling future cases, as well. We'll definitely give a follow up report.

Thank you thank you THANK YOU!
 
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