One step closer to FDA regulation?

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Robino1

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Is it all parents, or just certain "types" of parents?
And grandparents? Really? You think so?

I had more hope for grandparents, but what do I know.
I don't even have children, let alone grandchildren.

I smoked in front of my children and I smoked in front of my grandchildren. I vape instead now and my children and grandchildren are thrilled that I quit smoking. I vape in front of them. When I do get great grandchildren, I will vape around them also. So this grandparent has common sense and thinks the child card is BS.

Parents need to parent instead of relying on the government to do the job for them.
 

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Besides, that article is so poorly written as to be confusing, to say the least.

What's important is the RYO catch:
Now, to address the burgeoning flavored cigar market, the FDA has started warning tobacco companies not to categorize roll-your-own tobacco as pipe tobacco – a method companies use to avoid taxes and regulation since the two products have different tax codes.
 

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Of all the e-cig regulation I worry about, the flavoring thing is the least of them. Meh. I buy my own flavoring and make my own juice anyway. Banning FLAVORING in e-juice is futile. And largely irrelevant.
I'd have to disagree...

Banning flavorings may go a long way towards making vaping ineffective for new vapers.
And new vapers, for the most part, aren't going to be making their own juices.

Banning flavorings is one of many arrows in their quiver.
And we need to fight against that as hard as we fight against anything.
 

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Bah. Easy.

Say you're an internet e-juice vendor. Assuming that e-juice sales aren't banned (a different topic...regulation related sure, but different) you can just sell unflavored e-juice.

Oh, you can also sell "water flavoring" in all sorts of recipes. Because we all know that vapers need to drink plenty of water.

Meh.

I'm not saying it's the preferred method. I'm just saying a ban won't work.
 

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Since there are so many Americans that are sick of the "for the children" card being played I just have to ask...
Who do these politicians expect to vote for them based on the playing of that card?

Thoughts?

Even though there are many of us here that are angered by the "for the children" card and see it as a scare tactic and not fact based there are still many more that are easily swayed by that card. Do you know anyone that wants to be perceived as harming children? Perception is often more important then fact to many people. Politicians don't deal in facts, they deal in perceptions.

People tend to think about what effects "them" personally and not give much thought to the entire picture. A ban on flavored tobacco products effects us here so sure, we see past the perception card to the entire picture but the majority of people in the US have been led down the road to believing today that tobacco users (any form of tobacco) are lowlifes deserving of no rights. People believing that are easily swayed to believe that our children must be protected from the evils of flavored tobacco products even if the facts won't support the theory.
 

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Even though there are many of us here that are angered by the "for the children" card and see it as a scare tactic and not fact based there are still many more that are easily swayed by that card. Do you know anyone that wants to be perceived as harming children? Perception is often more important then fact to many people. Politicians don't deal in facts, they deal in perceptions.
So who are these people that are "easily swayed" by that card?
 

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Of all the e-cig regulation I worry about, the flavoring thing is the least of them. Meh. I buy my own flavoring and make my own juice anyway. Banning FLAVORING in e-juice is futile. And largely irrelevant.

For many people here on ECF its true that a ban on flavored juice is futile. BUT there are still a lot of people on ECF that aren't interested in mixing their own flavored juice. And while we like to think we are the majority of people that vape out there, we're only a small portion. I hang around a vape shop near my home sometimes and I can tell ya, the vast majority of the many people coming into that shop aren't the slightest bit interested in mixing their own juices. They want the easiest way possible to vape and if they had to mix their own juice they would simply go back to smoking or never start vaping in the first place.
 

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We call them "cards" for a reason... as in trump or ace... end of game. I dislike all of them because they're all red herrings most often used to turn any real issue and debate about it into a moral one instead in which there is, hopefully, no defense and, thus, no debate or the debate turns to defending against shaming. They're usually designed to induce shame for emotional manipulation and control. The kid one is particularly offensive to me because it says I must be responsible for someone else's children or suffer shame. Sorry, it does not "take a village." It takes a parent being responsible for their own offspring. Those it appeals to are those who don't like taking personal responsibility for much of anything as well as those who feel entitled to me overseeing their kids or to their fellow citizens being controlled by laws, in the form of big government, to do so. IE: It's societies fault if their kids get into bad stuff and not their own. They are the entitled generation in other words. They want everyone to do the job they've either neglected to do or don't want to do. Its just too hard. But that's just one group. The ones who have kids. The other group supporting them is the self-righteous one. The authoritarian types who get behind any shaming manipulation as proof that they're superior beings. Politicians have always used those with that mentality but the slacker, entitled, generation is a new one they've jumped on. But its always either manipulation via "join me and be the good one" or "let me do that for you."
 
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We call them "cards" for a reason...
To continue with your card-playing analogy, let's talk some poker...

I long for the day when we have enough chips to make them go all-in with their lies.
That will be the day that we crush them.

They have a lot of chips.
But we are getting more chips each and every day.
:)
 

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To continue with your card-playing analogy, let's talk some poker...

I long for the day when we have enough chips to make them go all-in with their lies.
That will be the day that we crush them.

They have a lot of chips.
But we are getting more chips each and every day.
:)

Agreed we are gaining more chips everyday, however we hold the best starting hand in our Pocket Aces (TRUTH in recent casaa study etc) however even with an 84% chance of winning with Pocket Aces (TRUTH) we can still lose, due to that one card the River which is the Kid Card.

But I like our chances so I'm all in baby.
 

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Well I have great grandchildren. I smoked in front of both my children & grandchildren, but wouldn't even think about vaping in front of my great grandchildren. So I guess it even gets worse :lol:

Oh man both my grandparent's smoked. The chain smoked like 3 packs a day. You would go to visit them and open the front and this cloud of smoke would come billowing out.

I wished they would have vaped. I hated walking into that house 40 years ago.

Ohh not judging please don't think so. I loved them dearly, smoke and all.
 

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I'd have to disagree...

Banning flavorings may go a long way towards making vaping ineffective for new vapers.
And new vapers, for the most part, aren't going to be making their own juices.

Banning flavorings is one of many arrows in their quiver.
And we need to fight against that as hard as we fight against anything.

If they were anything like me when I first started vaping everything tasted like crap. I figured smokes tasted worse. I just went unflavored for a time. The taste wasn't what brought me here. I suspect most new vapers it isn't the same. It is for an alternative to smoking... So basically it just has to taste better than smokes.
 

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If they were anything like me when I first started vaping everything tasted like crap. I figured smokes tasted worse. I just went unflavored for a time. The taste wasn't what brought me here. I suspect most new vapers it isn't the same. It is for an alternative to smoking... So basically it just has to taste better than smokes.
I've seen too many new vapers go back to smoking because the flavors they were initially exposed to weren't good.
Sure, providing access to really good tobacco flavors would help, and I hope that trend continues.

But providing access to really good cafe mocha, banana nut bread, or lemon pound cake will kill all desire for cigarettes.
This is something that anecdotal evidence and various polls on this forum have shown us.
:)

As for me, I'm still all about the tobacco flavors.
But I don't count myself in the majority.
 

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As for me, I'm still all about the tobacco flavors.
But I don't count myself in the majority.

Me neither. I pretty much only do tobacco vapes after trying lots of fruits and some deserts. I read so much bad stuff about tobacco flavors that I stayed away from them. I never tried a pipe or cigar but tobacco vapes make me throw rocks at cigs. I always encourage noobs who are having food flavor trouble to try a few tobaccos. It usually works out.
 

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All I can say is that we keep putting them in power. The liberal dems are the worst; it's well known that the majority of this power grab is theirs. But, the republicans are right behind them. Kick out the dems, and the pubs will be right behind to fill the gap and exercise their power. A true change is needed.

You say you want a revolution..................
 
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