One step closer to FDA regulation?

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It was mentioned in a couple of other posts. One of the biggest issues is they are now targeting ANY flavored tobacco product. Just like they did with flavored cigarettes. They left menthol cigarettes in the mix and banned any other.
While it may be difficult to target e-juice it won't be impossible and will put vendors out of business by making some BS law banning the sale of flavorings and unflavored e-juice at the same time. Regulation could happen. People would find ways around it but still e-juice vendors should take note this is something to be aware of.
 

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Worse case scenario if the FDA gets what they want. I'll be extracting nic out of snus. I heard you can soak portions in vg and it can be extracted that way. An Ettan (my favorite snus when I used it) flavored e juice would be awesome.

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A video from 2009, awesome someone tried it already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUKTCvL2DIk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Now if that doesn't work I'll go back to snus and nasal snuff. That's what got me off cigarettes in the first place. I'll still vape but I'll vape 0mg diy.
 
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While it may be difficult to target e-juice it won't be impossible and will put vendors out of business by making some BS law banning the sale of flavorings and unflavored e-juice at the same time. Regulation could happen. People would find ways around it but still e-juice vendors should take note this is something to be aware of.

I don't see this happening. I don't know how you would control this. All the individual items are FDA approved.

1) The store sells VG/PG in any combo you want in a bottle. This could be sold with any Nic % you want.
2) The store sells Flavoring in a bottle. This could come with Sucralose or without.
3) The store sells Sucralose.
4) The store sell nicotine.

I can't believe you could regulate this. They are already approved substances.

Here is a little analogy. Back when Oleo came out with Margarine, the dairy industry got really upset. They demanded that it could not be yellow. So Oleo, sold you a cube of margarine(butter and margarine came in cubes, not tubs) :D, and in the same package was a container of yellow dye. You mixed the two together and Yellow Margarine.

If the FDA, does come up with something, and we can't beat them off, I see these scenarios.

I go into a ecig store or order online. I get a 14 ml 70/30 p/v 12mg nic in a bottle. Comes in a 15ml bottle. I get the recommended little bottle of flavoring/Sucralose for in the appropriate size to flavor 14ml of juice. I go home, squeeze the small bottle into large bottle, let it steep for whatever the recommended time is, and then vape.


I go into a ecig store or order online. I get a 13 ml 70/30 p/v in a bottle. Comes in a 15ml bottle. I get the recommended little bottle of flavoring/Sucralose for in the appropriate size to flavor 13ml of juice. I get another recommeded little bottle of nic, which would nic the 13/14ml of flavored juice to 12mg nic. I go home, squeeze the small bottles into large bottle, shake and let it steep for whatever the recommended time is, and then vape.

I think any regs may affect B&Ms more than online vendors. So this scenario may have to happen.

B&M divides the store into different shops. You know like those little stores that have several little shops in them.

One store sells all the vape hardware. Second shop sells VG/PG anyway you want it. Depending on the rules that come out, this second shop could be just ejuice. Or this shop just sells any percent mix of VG/PG or just a couple of percentage, maybe 50/50, 80/20, 70/30, 30/70, 20/80 in various size bottles. They sell nic in various size bottles. They sell flavoring in various sizes bottles. They sell Sucrelose in various size bottles. All the smaller bottle amounts correspond with the amount of raw juice you buy. Or you may need a 3 shop selling some of products.

Would this be a headache for shops and online vendors, yes. Is it workable, yes. Can the FDA make regulations to govern all the different scenarios, I and others could come up with, I don't think so. There are too many variables on how to sell products all ready approved by the FDA.

Just a thought.

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LOL.. it was my job mixing the color in the oleo... what memories. Thanks!

Similar today are prescription glasses. The glasses vendor can't write prescriptions so they have an optometrist thru an archway or whatever. Of course, I'm sure there can be no monetary affiliation between the two... maybe just lowered office space rent for the optometrist?

I think it would be tougher for online vendors though as they couldn't even have a link on their site to another site selling what they can't to fill the order. But I'm sure some innovative vendor will figure it out.
 
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I wouldn't freak out too much until it happens people. Remember we're a huge community now with many new vapors added each day. We have a voice, plus the Big Tobacco companies are now involved. It is a BILLION dollar business now. If all of us donated a few bucks to CASAA and stand together, we will make a difference.

Like others mentioned, the raw ingredients are FDA approved. Worst case scenario we mix our own juice. I really don't think it will go that way. If we have to buy the same juice we love now without nicotine and just add it ourselves would be so much more dangerous to the end user. Only time will tell....... There will always be a way in my book.
 

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LOL.. it was my job mixing the color in the oleo... what memories. Thanks!

You are dating yourself Patkin. 3/4 of the people on this site have never heard of this. Hardest part was making it look like a cube again. We had a little mold. Push it all back in there, stick in the frig, pass hardened mold under hot water, and instant margarine cube in the butter dish.

There is a poll for you. How many people here know what a butter dish is? :blink:

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You are dating yourself Patkin. 3/4 of the people on this site have never heard of this. Hardest part was making it look like a cube again. We had a little mold. Push it all back in there, stick in the frig, pass hardened mold under hot water, and instant margarine cube in the butter dish.

There is a poll for you. How many people here know what a butter dish is? :blink:

Greg W.

I do, it's what I keep my spare change in!

Real or imagined, I got some while the getting was good, even if they don't take action, I figure that there would be a bit of a run up to October, so I grabbed 500ml of 100 while they had it. Either way, I'm set for quite awhile. And since I am finding that menthol keeps me happy happy happy, and the others are just to provide a little variety, between the PG, NIC and menthol, I'm set for awhile. (sorry e-liq vendors, but the buying spree is over) :)
 

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think of how easy it would be for the vendors!

They sell the "e-liquid" in whatever nic base and pg/vg ratio you want.

BUT you need to drink lots of water and depending where you are your water tastes bad!
so have some flavoring to add to your water while you vape!

AND you wouldn't want to be lugging around that 6 oz bottle of elquid wherever you go so why dont you purchase a couple 30 ml bottles to break that puppy down into something portable.

i don't see the FDA regulating this very well. A lot of vendors already ask if you are 18 years of age or older (yes that can be faked). They also need a credit card. I dont know about anyone else but my children dont have my credit card and wont get their hands on it!
 

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Well, then I guess those mint, cherry and orange flavored NRT lozenges need banned too - kids might think it's candy and, wow, it looks a lot more like candy than our juice. And Maker forbid they have to take out the clove, jasmine, almond and the other umpteen flavoring added to various cigarettes (even if you can't taste it, it is in them.) Oh and lets ban flavored cough drops and flavored liquid medicine while we are at it lest some kid drink it like soda pop because some adult was too stupid to place it out of the kid's reach.

Just more of this recent round of Nanny State crud that none of us need. Oh well, I didn't vote for it and, I will fight it in any way I can.
 

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RE: Flavoring... they just don't seem to get it. ALL e-juice is flavored, unless you're vaping straight PG or VG. If they ban other flavors, they have to ban tobacco flavored.

And there a million variations of a tobacco flavor. Who is to say, what is acceptable and unacceptable???
 

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Yeah, grape cigars are sooo made for adult cigar smokers. C'mon, everyone in line behind Johnny 18 at the convenience store/gas station knows what he is doing with that grape cigar he's buying INCLUDING the politicians and FDA. btw, he didn't need an ID to buy the extra added ingredient ;)
As I read this thread,, I was wondering when this would come up. The over 100% increase is cigar sales has nothing to do with kids smoking cigars. And kids were doing this long before flavored cigars became popular! If flavored cigars become banned, there will be a 1000% increase in regular flavored cigar sales!
 

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What This really is all about is the all-mighty $$. Here in MN the e-cig shops have Literally gone overnight to exploding with business. The state just raised our cig price to $8.00 a pack and the tax money is supposed to go to build a new Stadium for the Minnesota Vikings. On top of that you can account for at least 80% of the cigarette price being taxes, So you can guess who's pocket its hurting. Our economy collects more money off cigarette taxes than they do on any one product nationwide, So with this much sales going into e- cigarettes they want to put a stop to it. Lets all come together and STOP big G from taking What's left of our civil liberties! CASAA.org to get it done.
 

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FDA is a threat but not the biggest one. "Big Tobacco" has cash that we can only dream of. Give ANY Senator or Congressman enough "reelection cash" and he (she) will vote for anything you want. "Big Tobacco", working through the FDA, will be the ones that try to squash the small stores and our choices.

BTW, I use to try to mix the orange coloring with the Oleo. Ended up looking like an orange "Fruit Stripe" toothpaste.
 

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FDA is a threat but not the biggest one. "Big Tobacco" has cash that we can only dream of. Give ANY Senator or Congressman enough "reelection cash" and he (she) will vote for anything you want. "Big Tobacco", working through the FDA, will be the ones that try to squash the small stores and our choices.

BTW, I use to try to mix the orange coloring with the Oleo. Ended up looking like an orange "Fruit Stripe" toothpaste.

Yeah but they cant pocket it.
Can u say jail, they can still be voted out.
Call their butts and let them know you are displeased.....
They will listen if you call and email.................
 
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