PDIB's Making MODs!

[glassgal]

On the mech thing, I hesitate to say it, being a part-time bench tech, and knowing that electron flow is just that, I feel the vape tastes better with a battery power supply rather than a power supply like from a Vamo or MVP. I can set up my Vamo or MVP with a top fed dripper for the same voltage as a battery mech (Reo), then swap the atty to the Reo and prefer the vape. Slight difference, I can taste it, seems to have a more-defined flavor. In theory, I don't think I should be able to notice any difference at all. I often wonder about it, maybe its just BS, I don't really know. What I do know is I'm preferring a non-regulated battery powered mod at this stage.

I don't think it's BS... I find that any atomizer larger than a small ego tastes worse on the MVP2 than a larger mod (no difference with the small atomizers)... I don't know why. And the difference between a MVP2 and a Provari are night and day. But even my little kicked mod (see above) which is as simple as it gets, you can taste the difference, right to the time it dies. Doesn't make any sense to me either.

 

[glassgal]

looks like a GG clone to me and all you need to use it kickless is a tube the right length. BUT - let's not do that just yet huh??

The kick will help you if you inadvertently have a short in your atty or some other problem. Then it will not fire, and that's a good thing.

T

Gaaah!!! I keep doing it!!! Ok, can we talk about mech mods on the mech mod thread I started? We really are being rude on pdib's Dibi thread...

 

[MamaTried]

I think it related to the chips in those mods, apparently to some people that presumably have dog's ears, can hear the 33mHz rattlesnake effect!

T

methinks it may be more due to adjustment. last time i checked, ohm's law dint have dog ears.


that's my way of saying i can't understand how PWM could affect the actual vape.

 

[MasterofNone]

methinks it may be more due to adjustment. last time i checked, ohm's law dint have dog ears.


that's my way of saying i can't understand how PWM could affect the actual vape.

It totally does though, because unlike the straight dc of a mech or the super high pwm of provari or DNA chipset, the 33.3 hits a median voltage... Which means you get higher AND lower voltages for your preset voltage to equal the AVERAGE voltage of what you set- dramatically in some cases changing the flavor profile and heat of your vape.

Edit: not to say the provari and DNA chips don't work that way as well, it's just the lag time between wave crests is so reduced it effectively negates the possible highs and lows-think ripples hitting a lake shore instead of a series of waves hitting the beach

 

[ukeman]

I don't know what a GG is... but this was under $20 with the kick new, and the kick alone was around $20, so I figure I got a free stainless tube I could use for whatever, and a kick I could use for whatever.

True…. but you may realize already, not all mechs are created equal…

some high priced mechs may not be penny for penny worth the difference due to higher cost of small production volume and new start up costs for a builder, but in general the materials used and design are what high end users look for:
conductivity (low v drop), adaptable to different atomizers (adjustability top and bottom caps) button designs, materials … all that.

and some clones are just that…. mass produced (cheaply) counterfeits of a great design…. meaning for pennies on the dollar you get a whip snappin mech… almost the real thing (while some are just cosmetically nice wannabe's).

Dig this: a real Caravela is nowhere near as conductive as an $ 24 FT (Fast tech) brass Nemesis clone… but its beauty, materials, workmanship is a piece of vaping art coveted by hordes of vapers (so is the real Naval Brass Nemesis which also kicks the Caravela's ... in conductivity).

If you want to know about conductivity comparisons of mech's the best chart is available here: Mod Voltage Test Setup
You'll notice that Vdrop is measured with both 1.0 ohms loads and .50 ohms loads

 

[ukeman]

AW stuff here: "just the facts" no back story… but hell.

(Originally by AW)---
Both the IMR18650 - 1600 and IMR18490 are rated @15C max. continuous discharge.

Regards,
Andrew Wan

Ukeman: Thanks,
Was there a change from 10C to 15C?
And if so, when did that occur?

Andrew:
***************
It was amended since 2011.
----------------

Me now and here:

AWESOME… no fanfare… no chit chat about how so many don't know this and how even the guy with the resale here on ECF has them posted as 10C !

I'm stoked the 18490 is 15C as well…. !

 

[MamaTried]

It totally does though, because unlike the straight dc of a mech or the super high pwm of provari or DNA chipset, the 33.3 hits a median voltage... Which means you get higher AND lower voltages for your preset voltage to equal the AVERAGE voltage of what you set- dramatically in some cases changing the flavor profile and heat of your vape.

Edit: not to say the provari and DNA chips don't work that way as well, it's just the lag time between wave crests is so reduced it effectively negates the possible highs and lows-think ripples hitting a lake shore instead of a series of waves hitting the beach

someone still needs to convince this old retired electrical engineer that heating up/cooling off a freakin heating coil at those PWM frequencies can actually affect the vape. it still comes down to proper adjustment.

 

[MasterofNone]

Shrug maybe you're right, and maybe it's in our heads.

Personally, I've used the china- chip, the provari, and now mech. Cleanest by far mech.

 

[supertrunker]

i thought you were an Atari coder! i'm disappointed now!

T

 

[IMEDICx90]

Yes, the kick is easily removable, so can be changed to whatever kick I want. it's an incredibly simple device. But no, it can't fire without the kick, because it's built into a space dedicated for the kick, and cannot be removed, as the bottom of the actual connector is attached to that space, and the battery compartment has a ring (which I suppose can be grinded away) that prevents the battery itself from sliding up to the connector without the kick. There's just a coil at the bottom and that's the whole thing. Every component is replaceable, it's just a tube with a kick and a connector.

Well, here's what it is...and fits any sized battery you can buy, but I use 18650 or 18350. It telescopes, but not noticeably telescoping:

That is a mechanical dear. Lol I would just make sure you get some of the recommended batteries here and start measuring the volts on them as you vape.


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[MamaTried]

Shrug maybe you're right, and maybe it's in our heads.

Personally, I've used the china- chip, the provari, and now mech. Cleanest by far mech.

me too...

 

[supertrunker]

i like the engraving on a caravela but i reckon a Poldiac has it stuffed as far as conductivity goes, which explains why i see so few for sale. It's my humble opinion that a Dibi can bridge that gap, since i prefer bottom fed mechanical mods.

T

 

[MamaTried]

i thought you were an Atari coder! i'm disappointed now!

T

nah. taught myself programming after i got tired of designing/prototyping hardware. still have scars from my hardware days. no visible scars from software

 

[MasterofNone]

nah. taught myself programming after i got tired of designing/prototyping hardware. still have scars from my hardware days. no visible scars from software

Emotional ones Dennis?
Did you have to work on The Wiggles: the video game?
=-P

 

[glassgal]

True…. but you may realize already, not all mechs are created equal…

some high priced mechs may not be penny for penny worth the difference due to higher cost of small production volume and new start up costs for a builder, but in general the materials used and design are what high end users look for:
conductivity (low v drop), adaptable to different atomizers (adjustability top and bottom caps) button designs, materials … all that.

and some clones are just that…. mass produced (cheaply) counterfeits of a great design…. meaning for pennies on the dollar you get a whip snappin mech… almost the real thing (while some are just cosmetically nice wannabe's).

Dig this: a real Caravela is nowhere near as conductive as an $ 24 FT (Fast tech) brass Nemesis clone… but its beauty, materials, workmanship is a piece of vaping art coveted by hordes of vapers (so is the real Naval Brass Nemesis which also kicks the Caravela's ... in conductivity).

If you want to know about conductivity comparisons of mech's the best chart is available here: Mod Voltage Test Setup
You'll notice that Vdrop is measured with both 1.0 ohms loads and .50 ohms loads

Oh... I totally get paying more for good design or workmanship. But we're talking about a plain stainless tube here. Ok, there's a few lines on it... but that's all there is on it. The kick, you just grab and pull out from the center pin... it's not sophisticated in any way, it's just a container.

But... I'm not interested in paying more for a SEMI decorated plain metal tube. there's no design to it, it's a flashlight handle, which is all a mod actually is til you add the design. This is no GG, I just looked up the pix of a GG. It's not a clone of a GG either. It's a metal tube that terminates in a $3 510 connector and has a battery that's just a pin that touches a metal tube inside. It's as simple as it gets, and there's nothing to break other than to crush the tube. But to say that the GG is a 'design' insults flashlights everywhere, except for their pretty logo and fancy button .

 

[glassgal]

AW stuff here: "just the facts" no back story… but hell.

(Originally by AW)---
Both the IMR18650 - 1600 and IMR18490 are rated @15C max. continuous discharge.

Regards,
Andrew Wan

Ukeman: Thanks,
Was there a change from 10C to 15C?
And if so, when did that occur?

Andrew:
***************
It was amended since 2011.
----------------

Me now and here:

AWESOME… no fanfare… no chit chat about how so many don't know this and how even the guy with the resale here on ECF has them posted as 10C !

I'm stoked the 18490 is 15C as well…. !

Uhh... maybe they aren't selling real AW batteries and the fakes are all 10C.. (because they bought from the cheaper bin and stuck the AW logo on it). Seems like someone who knows about batteries can test for that immediately and demand a refund if they advertise it as 15C, so you can separate the real from the fake by simply seeing who has the 15C?

 

[glassgal]

I want a Dibi for the asthetics. It is lovely, and pdib is an artist.

I am happy to let you guys argue about how it works... and trust that it must work pretty good or you electronic guys wouldn't be here with me trying to get your hands on one.

 

[MamaTried]

Emotional ones Dennis?
Did you have to work on The Wiggles: the video game?
=-P

Wiggles? musta been after my time

 

[Rossum]

I want a Dibi for the asthetics. It is lovely, and pdib is an artist.

Exactly! I never though I'd want a mech until I saw the Dibis. I still don't really want a mech, but I'll overlook the fact that a Dibi is a mech because, well, I'm in lust...

 

[MasterofNone]

Lol mine too... Not my three year old son's though, unfortunately haha

Think four British men in brightly colored spandex singing about fruits and vegetable and stuff and dancing around.