Philip Morris "e-cig"

[chinsk]

Patent US6803545 - Electrically heated smoking system and methods for supplying electrical ... - Google Patents

Has anyone else heard of this? If there is already a thread on this forgive me, I didn't see it.

I have only skimmed the patents involved, it looks similar but there are some key differences from an e-cig as we know it. I plan on giving these a thorough read through when I get some more time due to it being a pretty lengthy read.

EDIT: Yes, I do realize the patent filing dates are old with the latest being 2010 and the remaining quite some time before that. I also just found some older threads on this subject (my original search query key words sucked apparently) so if this is repetitive, go ahead and shame me about it.

 

[Hottody]

No, I have not heard of this but Phillip Morris is wise to delve into the e-cig market...otherwise someday they could end up like Kodak!

 

[chinsk]

Thats kind of what I was thinking. It seems pretty brain dead for them not to jump head first into this market business wise.


And yes, who would have thunk in a million years Kodak would be in the position they are today.

 

[oplholik]

Who is gonna trust what a cig manufacturer is putting in the juice?

 

[okwithit]

i can almost guarantee you that when they get into this business they will try and run all of the other vendors out. i for one will NEVER buy a thing from them.

 

[chinsk]

Who is gonna trust what a cig manufacturer is putting in the juice?

I have heard the exact same sentiment about chinese made e-juice.

According to this patent however, it does not appear to be liquid based anyway.

 

[chinsk]

i can almost guarantee you that when they get into this business they will try and run all of the other vendors out. i for one will NEVER buy a thing from them.

I don't think it will be big tobacco running them out, rather I see the regulatory powers that be executing that action.

 

[BuzzKill]

This is designed like a Vaporizer used for OTHER stuff , it heats a CIG not JUICE !! FYI

 

[fullmetal24]

Sigh, the e-cigarette industry is one of the few industries that come to mind.. that haven't been controlled by major corporations. As much as I'd like it to stay that way, it almost seems inevitable that it won't. However the power of these forums, and others, are an important element that keeps the industry in the hands of regular people.

 

[simply me]

I think this is whats going on anyway with the FDA. Nobody is making any money off the e-cig. Take it out of our hands and let the Cigarette companies have it and the gov. gets the money. I think it there plan all along.

 

[martinc]

Look carefully,some of those drawing and patents dates 1998-Y2K-2005!!

 

[ambition]

Honestly, why would they rush out and bring their own version of an ecig to market?

The R&D required and the regulation and the cost to produce and market will just be a huge risk, especially while people are still happy to smoke analogs.

Much better for big tobacco to buy up any and all well devised patents for ecig like devices and shelve it just so no other company can produce it without spending big bucks.

 

[ckone180]

PM also owns Kraft Foods, so I think they've set themselves up for future revenue.

 

[Jammin]

The thought of Phillip Morris getting into E-Cigs really scares me. I would rather they not get involved - we already know all the crap they put into analogs, that will surely be something they begin to do with the e-cig, and they are so huge they will do their best to wedge out the smaller vendors we use now.

UGH. I have been holding my breath hoping that the big guns do not get involved in this biz, but it looks like it is about to happen.

 

[ctourtelot]

About a year ago, the big consumer survey company for PM wanted to do a survey on ecigs. We had several people sign up for it and went to an initial Q&A session.

The questionnaire they handed out asked what brand we used. I made sure to let them know that very few vapors have brand loyalty. Most have multiple models and buy parts and liquid from numerous different vendors. I was determined to let them know that if PM tried to come out with a proprietary ecig that it wouldn't fly.

I'm not sure what ever came out of it as the actual survey was cancelled soon after. I still got my $250 for it though.

I do remember right after I got my first ecig and took it to poker league, that a guy who worked for PM said they were developing one. I've never seen that come out either.

 

[MickeyRat]

I have to say it. Cigarette companies have done nothing to you except to provide a product that you chose to buy. Furthermore there are paper, glue and filter suppliers that have a hand in it too but, no one mentions them. Not to mention your local retailer that not only commited the cardinal sin of selling you something you chose to buy but, actually did it while seeing you as an individual person. Federal and state governments profit far more from cigarette sales than any corporation but, no one considers them evil.

I see nothing wrong with cigarette companies getting into the business. They won't get far trying to sell something that only they provide the juice for. They are also not likely to be very motivated to sell something that can compete with their main business. That's another reason they won't get far. That said, if these things ever do really take off, sooner or later there will be large corporations in this business. It's unavoidable. There will be good things and bad coming when that happens. There will likely be better quality control, more standardization, more availability, and a lower price. That will likely come at the price of slower innovation and less variety. It's not all bad.

 

[Jammin]

I have to say it. Cigarette companies have done nothing to you except to provide a product that you chose to buy. Furthermore there are paper, glue and filter suppliers that have a hand in it too but, no one mentions them. Not to mention your local retailer that not only commited the cardinal sin of selling you something you chose to buy but, actually did it while seeing you as an individual person. Federal and state governments profit far more from cigarette sales than any corporation but, no one considers them evil.

I see nothing wrong with cigarette companies getting into the business. They won't get far trying to sell something that only they provide the juice for. They are also not likely to be very motivated to sell something that can compete with their main business. That's another reason they won't get far. That said, if these things ever do really take off, sooner or later there will be large corporations in this business. It's unavoidable. There will be good things and bad coming when that happens. There will likely be better quality control, more standardization, more availability, and a lower price. That will likely come at the price of slower innovation and less variety. It's not all bad.

Oh really? Cigarette companies add chemicals to cigarettes to hook you far more than just mere tobacco and nicotine, and that most certainly is what will be done once they get a hold of e-cigs. You are very naive if you really believe that if the cigarette companies get a hold of the e-cig that we will still have a product like we do right now.

I did not choose to suffer such TERRIBLE withdrawals from cigarettes, and sorry mickyRat, I was not withdrawing from just nicotine because I have never felt like that from an e-cig. Once PM and others get a hold of it, the product will be RUINED. If you don't see anything wrong with a company putting additives into cigarettes designed to keep the user hooked the way cigarettes do then you can certainly have 'em. Nicotine has some addictive properties but nothing like what they have in cigarettes. I can leave my e-cig alone for days and never even get a craving. I couldn't go an entire hour without a cigarette. I wonder how long it will take PM to destroy the products we all use now like they did with analogs.

I disagree vehemently when you say it isn't all bad.

 

[frosting]

I have to say it. Cigarette companies have done nothing to you except to provide a product that you chose to buy. Furthermore there are paper, glue and filter suppliers that have a hand in it too but, no one mentions them. Not to mention your local retailer that not only committed the cardinal sin of selling you something you chose to buy but, actually did it while seeing you as an individual person. Federal and state governments profit far more from cigarette sales than any corporation but, no one considers them evil.

While you make some good points, I must disagree. BT pumps tons of extra chemicals to add to the addiction. For some people they can easily quit cold turkey(lucky folks I might add, most of us aren't so fortunate). For many of us buying pack after pack was not a choice, it was an addiction. I find it repulsive how society has wrapped us all up into thinking cigarette addiction is so less miniscule compared to the likes of other kinds of addiction. Addiction is addiction and when you're an addict your choice has been taken away from you.

As for if phillip morris ever does develop some sort of e-cigg they won't get my dime and if I see other people with them, I'll spread the word there's waaaay better products out there with the added bonus their money isn't going to big tobacco.

 

[ambition]

Maybe this is the only way we'll ever get a real tobacco flavoured juice

 

[tumbafox]

Yes. They definitely have a patent. I don't know if its still effective. They can't control the e-cig marketplace. They can control the tobacco industry because its an agricultural product and they have most of the best land to grow their tobacco. So they don't need a patent on the analog cigarette.

Folks like Provape that develope new technology for e-cigs should be patenting their stuff.

But no one can stop the Chinese so we have nothing to worry about. They could care less about patents. lol.