PLEASE stop recommending RBAs and RDAs to beginners in the Newbie Forum

[Ahoy]

I sense at times a lot of attitudes here that are like someone handing a 13 year old the keys to a car, and saying "They'll figure it out between here and that brick wall."

And you know..that's really sad. We are all in this together as a community. The goal is to stay away from cigarettes. I consider ECF to be a big family and we all are here to help each other with anything we need, we do the best we can to provide information to new vapers who are curious about things or even to current smokers who are interested in vaping. We need to take a step back and get off our high horses and realize that not every one should know what an ohm is or what gauged kanthol wire is and what it is used for in vaping...or what the hell a mesh wick is. We lose touch of reality at times once vaping has turned into a hobby for us...and we all just need to realize that we should help and provide information to the new vapers.

If they are truly interested in the mechanics side of vaping and rebuilding and whatnot...then we should give them ALL SAFETY LINKS and links on how to do it properly...not just say...'oh get a kayfun or an igo and rebuild' and then say 'search on the forum for the tutorial' when they ask how do you do it.

Keep the vibes good and lets just vape on and have a good time doing it!

 

[beckdg]

I sense at times a lot of attitudes here that are like someone handing a 13 year old the keys to a car, and saying "They'll figure it out between here and that brick wall."

I didn't call anyone stupid, please show me a link to where I did. Thanks in advance.

BTW - nanny state? Really?

how about we just agree to disagree instead of insisting on posting comments and questions that lead us down this path?

 

[BillyWJ]

how about we just agree to disagree instead of insisting on posting comments and questions that lead us down this path?

I have no further interest in arguing your stance, but for future reference, if you accuse me of doing something, like calling people stupid, I WILL respond.

 

[suspectK]

 

[Coelli]

Simple solution to keep them from blowing up. Just suggest a Provari.


*runs away. very quickly*

 

[Grimwald]

In the beginning, 17 months ago, I was extremely frustrated with every little gurgle or leak. I can't even imagine I would have stuck with anything more complicated than a simple ego and tank. Even after 17 months, I have no desire to rebuild anything. Even disassembly and dry burning are a chore. Giving up cigarettes is hard, especially for a long term smoker...anything that makes it harder is not recommended. IMHO

 

[beckdg]

I have no further interest in arguing your stance, but for future reference, if you accuse me of doing something, like calling people stupid, I WILL respond.

fair enough. i won't do that if you don't do this.

So, your comfort level, experience, knowledge and such are exactly the same for everyone? Is that your point?

then we can be good friends if you wish. no hard feelings?

 

[crxess]

I simply will not argue responsibility with those that cannot accept the concept.

I will however NOT try explaining how simple RDA building can be to someone that has just decided to switch to Vaping.

Sure it is just as simple to drip as Vape from a Clearo.
Dripping and Driving don't mix.
Carrying a Dripper in your pocket isn't to logical.
Stopping to drip mid conversation is far less polite than just taking a quick draw.

I'd venture to say 90+% of new Vapers do not know what a multi meter is, much less hot to use it and they likely never before needed to know. Even Clearo's and Cartos that decide to short are death to an EGO in the hands of a Novice with little understanding.

While I love those that say hey, it's just plain easy, I also realize some of us just pick things up FAST.

While I have never had a problem wiring 5 pin relays to do whatever switching I needed, I have literally tried off and on for YEARS to teach very good technicians the principals with little to no success.
NOT EVERYONE LEARNS at the same pace.

The request is Valid - It only takes a few Post to get to the proper forums.
You can just as easily make that suggestion and meet them there for a long discussion in less than a day.

 

[Asbestos4004]

It's not that they're too stupid. Most people don't even know if vaping is for them. They're used to buying a pack of cigarettes and a pack of matches. Granted, no pv is going to be that easy but lets not scare them away before they start. There isn't any need to.

As for the thread, don't like it- don't post in it.

If it were only that easy!

 

[mountainbikermark]

As a relative beginner myself, I would like to add that if my first research into vaping had directed me in that direction I would still be smoking. Not only is that stuff confusing & intimidating, there are actually some of us that just aren't interested! If I had been given the impression that I needed to understand ohms law (?) in order to make the switch, I would have stopped right there.

Agreed.
If I become more interested in doing more than just quitting analogs I'll research and use the money I no longer spend on cigarettes to pay for my upgrades. Every time I've quit for more than a month (and it's been quite a few times) I reward myself by buying something with some of the money not spent on cigarettes. Last time I bought a bicycle, child carrier for it and 2 helmets after 3 months because it was already paid for with the money saved. I figure if this method gets/keeps more smoke free I'll spend some money getting a custom setup or at the very least a custom paint job on my batteries.

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[suspectK]

crazy home made ecig running at 9 volts - YouTube

I just posted this in a thread in general...but it applies to this topic too...

 

[jackmormon]

I toyed around with spinners and clearomizers for about a month. The day this noob 1st setup an Igo-L with a 1.5 ohm microcoil is the day I stopped analogs completely, no looking back. Vaping stopped being like "vegan" meat, a poor substitute. Vaping became preferable on all levels.

Not trying to downplay the need to research and be safe, but just saying the RDA/RBA is the flick of the switch for some of us.

 

[Stosh]

crazy home made ecig running at 9 volts - YouTube

I just posted this in a thread in general...but it applies to this topic too...

so wrong on so many levels....9 volts from two 4.2 volt MAXIMUM batteries...clueless to the max!!!

 

[mobocracy]

I think this is an interesting phenomenon. My sense as a fairly new e-cig user and forum participant is that e-cig gear generally is very hit and miss and that there's a lot of gear out there that's good but not consistently reliable and inexpensive. New users often start with basically reliable cigalikes but end up balking at the long-term costs and move on to eGos and get frustrated with balky clearomizers, burned cartomizers and come here seeking advice.

The frequent posters of these forums generally seem to be fairly long-term advanced users with an appetite for tinkering for who have often "moved on" to RBAs/RDAs after their own bad experiences with other methods, and their responses to questions usually ends up being to rebuild your own coils, etc.

Even though it may be true, it's like telling someone unhappy with the ride of their new economy car they need to rebuild the suspension themselves for it to work at all.

I've found its just easier to toss components when they wear out and accept it as the cost of doing business. I don't see the time and effort required to build my own coils as really worth the learning curve if I can get a decent vape by just replacing a $2 carto.

 

[Ryedan]

I think the best course of action is to listen to what the op is asking for or telling us in their intro about what they want. Don't introduce something they haven't expressed an interest in.

Let's just raise our own antenna's and listen. It may be necessary to start them off by asking them questions because they simply do not know. Or, if they start off by asking more advance questions then go with it. It is hard enough in the beginning and most are overwhelmed.

I think the best path is to not make it worse because of our own preferences.


With more and more new members each day, we frankly can use all the help we can get. If you have some time, spend it helping in the new members thread. Who better to guide them but peeps who have been where they are?

jmho

Sugar_and_Spice

IMO the biggest problems in New Users is people not understanding what is being asked.

I don't think I have ever suggested a RBA/RDA or mech mod to anyone new who has not asked about it first. If they do ask I do what I can to educate and help them stay safe. I feel it's much more the mechanical mods that are the safety issue and the focus should be on them and not on RBA/RDAs, though I understand the two go together often.

I suggest the right path is to make sure we understand what the poster is asking, avoid risk and complexity unless it's the right direction for the poster and if going that way explain the risks and how to handle them. Specially in the New Members Forum.

There are also a lot of new members these days and sometimes they will need a bit of help in understanding how to help others best.

 

[Stosh]

I think this is an interesting phenomenon. My sense as a fairly new e-cig user and forum participant is .......The frequent posters of these forums generally seem to be fairly long-term advanced users with an appetite for tinkering for who have often "moved on" to RBAs/RDAs after their own bad experiences with other methods, and their responses to questions usually ends up being to rebuild your own coils, etc..

You might be very surprised what many of the long term users consider their "sweet spot".... Most never had any appetite for tinkering but were forced to by the low quality gear available just a very few years ago.

I own some RDA, RBA, Genny, etc, tried them out but not my go to vape by any means. Doesn't mean I still use blue foam or tea-bag mods but still way more basic than what is currently available. And I am by nature a major tinkerer, I do enjoy tweaking and modifying my PV and toppers somewhat, experimenting for the fun of it.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizers-cartridges/405910-regular-atty-drippers-dying-breed.html

 

[Talyon]

I've converted a few real life friends who happen to be Woman with I'll say Big Jobs and need to keep up appearances and because of this still Vape 808D white cigalikes, and well never progress to higher end gear. But hey they still Vape almost a year later, now that's what really matters.

I also agree that suggesting higher gear without knowing the poster or even asking is simply wrong.

 

[Ryedan]

crazy home made ecig running at 9 volts - YouTube

I just posted this in a thread in general...but it applies to this topic too...

 

[SissySpike]

I can agree but not as a hole some people might be inclined to do rebuilding pretty quickly. Having said that when I started vaping I went on a month long search trying to find a camel wide ecig. I think its the norm.

 

[JuiceIsLoose]

While I love those that say hey, it's just plain easy, I also realize some of us just pick things up FAST.

While I have never had a problem wiring 5 pin relays to do whatever switching I needed, I have literally tried off and on for YEARS to teach very good technicians the principals with little to no success.
NOT EVERYONE LEARNS at the same pace.

The request is Valid -

Relay logic? It has been many years since I've heard about that--but I get it.

It is quite simple really--when learning new things, it is good to be in the right frame of mind. Quiting smoking is not easy, some it is easier to do than others. For new or potentially new vapers, I figure they will most be concerned about getting nicotine to kill the craving and vapor to mimic the habit--not blowing clouds, maximum flavor, throat hit or various other things.

I've been vaping for 9 months and fully understand ohm's law, have true RMS volt meters and o'scopes laying around and worked in electronics for decades. I vape a kicked mechanical with an Aspire head at around 10 watts. Do I recommend such a device to new vapors? No! One of those Smok 1300mAH fat Egos with variable voltage and Aspire/iClear16 or Kanger (or whatever) is what I usually recommend for the first device. If they actually want my gizmo, I tell them the Ego style with slimmer tank would be their backup or "going to the club" device, they can get the mechanicals with kicks later.

So far, the three people that are running the "fat Egos" wanted a second device--they bought another Ego. Sure, we blow clouds around when vaping together but our conversation moves to isn't it great to quit smoking? When I get asked about things like RBAs, Kayfuns etc., I just bring up that Phil Busardo uses an Ego Twist with Aspire head when he goes on vacation, to the club etc. Get the device that you can take anywhere first, then the crazy stuff later.