Precise ELA Telescoping Mod by Super-T!

[jasl90]

You a freak'in EE too? That would go a long way in explaining your EDC collection

No... Not me. I do, however, find it incredibly interesting. I just like figuring out how stuff works and damn near everything runs off electricity... Knowing a bit of the basics helps. Knowing how to apply Ohms Law in no way makes me an EE. LOL

 

[icucme2]

Maybe that "gunk" being described is the remenants of Noalax? Do u use noalax on the threads?

 

[anavidfan]

Nope, no noalox.

 

[jasl90]

If you are referencing the kick that delivers 15 watts, well that product isn't even out yet.

To reach 15 watts you would need more voltage, not less.

Voltage+amperage = power/wattage

15 watts & 6 amps = .416 ohms & 2.5 volts

 

[jasl90]

Amps are what eat up battery power. Some do not realize that it isn't the voltage. If you were to use a 2.0 ohm to 3.0 ohm coil, you will actually notice a better battery life compared to anything under 2.0 ohm at the same wattage.

Amps and voltage are part of the same equation. You can't boost voltage with out increasing the amp draw. Considering the fact that there is no such thing as a 100% efficient boost circuit and the fact the the higher you boost the output voltage above the input voltage, the less efficient the circuit becomes... You don't do yourself any favors by upping the output voltage to decrease the output amperage... All you're doing is increasing the input amperage...

 

[anavidfan]

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I always read those type of posts above and sort of sway myself from really wanting to make sense of it, Im already too 'wrapped" up tightly to get make real sense of it. So maybe you can let me know if my usual set up is efficient or not. I usually make up my coils to about 2.0, give or take a .1 or .2 higher lower. I set my kick at 8 watts. Depending on my resistance my output voltage is 4.2 to 4.8.

Is this being safe and or efficient for good warmish to cool vaping with good sized clouds and making the most of my batteries? Is there anything I can adjust to keep the coils cleaner? Ive heard that lower resistances ( hotter coils ) keep your coils cleaner because they burn better? Dont know if thats a myth.

 

[snork]

I'd rather have the crud stick to my coils than anything else. It's gotta go *somewhere*.

 

[Freckle]

Amps and voltage are part of the same equation. You can't boost voltage with out increasing the amp draw. Considering the fact that there is no such thing as a 100% efficient boost circuit and the fact the the higher you boost the output voltage above the input voltage, the less efficient the circuit becomes... You don't do yourself any favors by upping the output voltage to decrease the output amperage... All you're doing is increasing the input amperage...

You know when I first got my darwin, I would of agreed with you. Then a vendor actually sent me the wrong atomizers, I ordered 1.5 ohm. My battery life when using 1.5 ohm was about a full day maybe just a tad longer. The vendor sent me 3.0 ohm, well being the darwin, it didn't matter. A friend, Lou, I think they call him nebula bot or something like that on ECF told me when I got my darwin to use above 2.0. I seriously thought it was just a bunch of fluff, so of course I didn't listen to him. He even said I would get better battery life. Well i am pretty hard headed, I did it my way. When I got the 3.0 ohm I had no choice, either contact the vendor, which took days for them to contact me back, or use the 3.0 ohm. I used the 3.0 ohm. My battery life extended now to 2 days and partly into the third.

I went back to Lou after that and told him he was correct and I was an idiot not to listen to him. He laughed.


Once again, amperage is what eats your battery life, not voltage. You can increase your voltage but lower your amperage with a higher resistance, giving you the same output of power but longer battery life.

 

[jasl90]

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I always read those type of posts above and sort of sway myself from really wanting to make sense of it, Im already too 'wrapped" up tightly to get make real sense of it. So maybe you can let me know if my usual set up is efficient or not. I usually make up my coils to about 2.0, give or take a .1 or .2 higher lower. I set my kick at 8 watts. Depending on my resistance my output voltage is 4.2 to 4.8.

Is this being safe and or efficient for good warmish to cool vaping with good sized clouds and making the most of my batteries? Is there anything I can adjust to keep the coils cleaner? Ive heard that lower resistances ( hotter coils ) keep your coils cleaner because they burn better? Dont know if thats a myth.

My comment above was based solely around efficiency... Basically what percentage of the power being used is being applied to the coil...

Your described setup of 2 ohms & 8 watts = 4 volts & 2 amps.

Assuming that you have a fresh battery putting out between 4.2 and 4.0 volts, you should be getting pretty good "efficiency", being that the output voltage is pretty close to the input voltage. Not as good as you'd get by removing the circuit altogether... By using the Kick (or any other regulator) you basically agree to sacrifice a bit of efficiency in order to get the benefits of regulated power.

So how much efficiency are you giving up? Who knows? To find out you'd need 4 multimeters. One to measure input voltage, a 2nd to measure input amperage, a 3rd to measure output voltage and a 4th to measure output amperage. From there you'd calculate the power going in and the power coming out... Divide the output by the input and you'll have efficiency expressed as a percentage.

Long story short... Who cares? Changing a battery is easier than finding the answer. Simply knowing that no regulator is 100% efficient (output power will always be less than input power) and knowing that the further away the two values are from each other, the less efficient it becomes, is all you really need. Don't get twisted up over it.

Think of it like this... You're using a Kick with 2 ohm coil at 8 watts. I'm using a straight mech and a 0.75 ohm coil at roughly 19 to 20 watts... Because I don't have a regulator, my setup is going to be more "efficient" that yours BUT you're still pulling far less amps out of the battery and you'll still get longer battery life than me. Make sense?

As far as safety... By all accounts, the Kick is a very safe device. As long as you're using decent batteries (and I know you are), the Kick won't let you do anything dangerous. You may continue to vape your current setup with complete piece of mind with no worries.

 

[jasl90]

You know when I first got my darwin, I would of agreed with you. Then a vendor actually sent me the wrong atomizers, I ordered 1.5 ohm. My battery life when using 1.5 ohm was about a full day maybe just a tad longer. The vendor sent me 3.0 ohm, well being the darwin, it didn't matter. A friend, Lou, I think they call him nebula bot or something like that on ECF told me when I got my darwin to use above 2.0. I seriously thought it was just a bunch of fluff, so of course I didn't listen to him. He even said I would get better battery life. Well i am pretty hard headed, I did it my way. When I got the 3.0 ohm I had no choice, either contact the vendor, which took days for them to contact me back, or use the 3.0 ohm. I used the 3.0 ohm. My battery life extended now to 2 days and partly into the third.

I went back to Lou after that and told him he was correct and I was an idiot not to listen to him. He laughed.


Once again, amperage is what eats your battery life, not voltage. You can increase your voltage but lower your amperage with a higher resistance, giving you the same output of power but longer battery life.

There are plenty of variable that come into play in that scenario. It is, however, a fact (not opinion or guess) that a boost converter boosts the voltage by increasing amp draw. In essence, converting amperage into voltage.

 

[palmbay18650]

True, but with the Kiklet, no fuss when changing batteries either, set it in the housing once and forget it, at the user's whim - screw on/off regulation.

 

[anavidfan]

Hey Palm, whats that cool little device next to the ELA? Ive seen it in another photo of yours. Looks like an old stopwatch? I like it.

 

[LouEyez]

Although I've never seen the shockwave, the button seems perfect...I guess that's what you get when you have the extra real estate of a 26650...
Although I have mixed feelings about saying this because of the obvious play on words, I am sooooo glad I didn't get E L Aed

 

[anavidfan]

The kicklet looks great with a set up like this , but picture it with any sort of rebuildable tank. Would look a bit long. It would look good with a small dripper. I wish they would make a kicklet to match the average toppers width and look seamless to it and only tall enough to keep the kick in it. I dont understand why it was designed to use so much stainless steel to house a short item like the Kick.

Maybe to house a sm data stick? Microfilm or microfiche for those who vape and are secret govt agents.

 

[LouEyez]

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[LouEyez]

The key to the sliding switch lock, especially when new, is to push it directly from the side. No top edge, no downward pressure, just directly from the side. Over time it loosens up a bit too.

Thanks Snork...I got it.

Turn ela upside down
Align the P using the thumb
Use said thumb to push the previously mentioned P...
One handed ela lock suitable for most atty types

Total time required...2 seconds.

L

 

[palmbay18650]

Hey Palm, whats that cool little device next to the ELA? Ive seen it in another photo of yours. Looks like an old stopwatch? I like it.

It's a very old lighter

I have had it about 40 years, it was hand made by somebody in their shed.

The flint wheel is on the left, and you unscrew the brass top on the right to reveal the wick

I know this is the ELA section but............................

This came along with the Kicklet today .. Snork, I owe you a drink mate for doing that video

 

[anavidfan]

THanks for sharing that Palm.



Answer? Super-T and some friends........

That must be some great juice.

 

[palmbay18650]

THanks for sharing that Palm.

That must be some great juice.

I like it, 11mg VG/PG 80/20.... Also 11mg VG ( just for dripping ) it is supposed to be a tobacco based juice, ( I don't normally do tobacco type flavours because, the first one I tried put me right off ) but this is nice and smooth and it is like........... more of a dessert type flavour, sort of nutty, caramel, sort of like............ I can't put it into words

I was trying to get away from some of the commercial juice's, so I am now trying out some small scale operations

 

[I RDP I]

are 2 cents for safety mods worth it?