Precise ELA Telescoping Mod by Super-T!

[bisteka]

I dont care to wait. I was like a crazy (pre-lis, list, contact with mojo etc) for Chi-you...meaning wait a lot for nothing. And I am more than happy that i will get a marvelous piece of art with quality control as described by David.

As my mother usually say, sometimes some doors are closed to open better ones hehe.

Lets wait...

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[Vcoupe]

I missed that post I guess ... Ill wait till I get my ELA till I inquire further ;D

 

[jamesd1628]

Thanks Snork. If we were making custom Knifes, with the same labor we put into each ELA, we'd be charging $2000.00 each. Trust me, i've considered switching industries

Please don't do that.

 

[jamesd1628]

Double post. What's up with the forum today?

 

[forcedfuel50]

Speaking of.. What else are you doing with your machine aside from e-cig stuff? Do you take on other work?

We will be once we get some more machines, but for now, we're just limiting it to our own products, it runs non-stop just for our stuff.

 

[Vcoupe]

I dont care to wait. I was like a crazy (pre-lis, list, contact with mojo etc) for Chi-you...meaning wait a lot for nothing. And I am more than happy that i will get a marvelous piece of art with quality control as described by David.

As my mother usually say, sometimes some doors are closed to open better ones hehe.

Lets wait...

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Are you saying the chi-you was a waste (quality) or never got one? I don't see the big deal with them personally. I think David's ELA will be my daily mod bc it's very useful and robust (the little P10 is a tank), and the poldiac for example is dainty but pretty as all hell in the way I ordered it. I think the ELA is for the people who are truly into quality all around use, and the chi-you crowd think its cool to have what's popular NOW vs lasting. This crowd here is a different bunch in a good way.

PS.. The other big thing about the ELA from what I can see is that other mods essentially copy other mods (chi you copies caravela button etc etc) and they are very generic at some level. Atleast you know a lot of thought went into this. It's not merely just a tube.

 

[Freckle]

Please don't do that.

Especially not before we get our strata, universal, and the simplicity.

 

[snork]

Thanks Snork. If we were making custom Knifes, with the same labor we put into each ELA, we'd be charging $2000.00 each. Trust me, i've considered switching industries

Maybe someday you can do both.
Something I like about your stuff is that it isn't meant to be a collector's item. It's meant to be used. Good tools cost money. Then you can get into the realm of custom and collectible where the money pays for very intangible and sometimes fleeting fashion. Enjoyable but not practical. It's rare to find practicality made an artform.

 

[bisteka]

Are you saying the chi-you was a waste (quality) or never got one? I don't see the big deal with them personally. I think David's ELA will be my daily mod bc it's very useful and robust (the little P10 is a tank), and the poldiac for example is dainty but pretty as all hell in the way I ordered it. I think the ELA is for the people who are truly into quality all around use, and the chi-you crowd think its cool to have what's popular NOW vs lasting. This crowd here is a different bunch in a good way.

PS.. The other big thing about the ELA from what I can see is that other mods essentially copy other mods (chi you copies caravela button etc etc) and they are very generic at some level. Atleast you know a lot of thought went into this. It's not merely just a tube.

Hi Vcoupe. I never got one. I like the Chi-you logo, and bc i am korean descendent its kind of back to roots. But as i said before, i am really happy that ordered ELA.

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[Vcoupe]

Collecting vape stuff never made sense to me lol. it's not ever going to appreciate long term.

 

[snork]

Collecting vape stuff never made sense to me lol. it's not ever going to appreciate long term.

I disagree. Long term I'll betcha this stuff will be worth tons. But collecting isn't about the money anyway.

 

[d3mon]

Sure, we could slap together 36 units in that time, but we don't slap units together here. I'm really sorry we aren't meeting your time criteria, but we are doing the best we can do and that is all we can do.
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sometimes people don't understand the effort required in producing machined "small-parts." even more so when the tolerances are +/-.00X....and then again when it requires finishing. it's something manufacturing and engineering deal with CONSTANTLY when it comes to customers.

I just completed a completely one-off, 2-point, locking, reverse slide actuating door latch from original concept, to rapid-prototyping, to a properly function door latch in 3 months (you can attest to how STUPID fast THAT actually is).

The customer was unhappy that it too THAT long...and then spoke to how "you should have done this and this the FIRST design."

yeah. it's EASY to look, AFTER the fact, at something someone designed from the ground up and claim to know better and fast ways to do it...but it's funny they are never there offering that same insight when i'm staring at a blank screen trying to come up with a concept in the first place.

 

[Freckle]

I paid 232.75 ( I used a coupon, lol) for my darwin back in oct of 2011. I now could go out and easily sell my darwin for twice that much.

 

[snork]

I paid 232.75 ( I used a coupon, lol) for my darwin back in oct of 2011. I now could go out and easily sell my darwin for twice that much.

Yeah, and think long term a couple hundred years from now when smoking, even vaping have been vanquished. These antiques of unknown use in myriads of forms...

 

[Freckle]

Yeah, and think long term a couple hundred years from now when smoking, even vaping have been vanquished. These antiques of unknown use in myriads of forms...

Some things no matter the increased re-sale value, it just isn't worth selling. I will always keep my darwin. Love her, she is a gem in my eyes!

 

[Vcoupe]

I disagree. Long term I'll betcha this stuff will be worth tons. But collecting isn't about the money anyway.

I suppose.. I don't personally veiw this as a hobby just yet. I remember years ago I bought a cartier cigarette lighter and thought I was a nut job. Now it seems my vaping will enter the nut job zone soon enough, but some people buy and trade soooo much here. I can't believe how some of these things double and triple price. I also know that it seems that people jump on bandwagons and every month or so is a new must have pre order device lol. Too much for me, I'd rather spend on new technology vs just battery tubes and atomizers. I have shiny itis, but I'd never spend a grand on a mod.

 

[Vcoupe]

I paid 232.75 ( I used a coupon, lol) for my darwin back in oct of 2011. I now could go out and easily sell my darwin for twice that much.

I never saw the appeal of a box mod but on YouTube / vape meets they seem popular

 

[Vcoupe]

Double post... Work is apparently slow today

 

[Freckle]

I suppose.. I don't personally veiw this as a hobby just yet. I remember years ago I bought a cartier cigarette lighter and thought I was a nut job. Now it seems my vaping will enter the nut job zone soon enough, but some people buy and trade soooo much here. I can't believe how some of these things double and triple price. I also know that it seems that people jump on bandwagons and every month or so is a new must have pre order device lol. Too much for me, I'd rather spend on new technology vs just battery tubes and atomizers. I have shiny itis, but I'd never spend a grand on a mod.

I have seen it done. They spend crazy amounts of money on mods, crazy amounts, just to say they own it. I don't get some people. I seriously don't. I don't consider myself a collector by any means. I know what I like, and my biggest fear is that one day the FDA will step in. They will regulate the fire out the ecig industry, especially online sales. I have never been one to think I need to own more than 2 devices, but all this crap about the FDA has me scared. It will eventually happen.

I love vaping, I hate smoking. If I didn't have my vape, I would probably go back to smoking. I hate the thought of that. Hate it with a passion! Therefore my plan is to stock up on great quality mods that will last me a lifetime (with a lifetime warrranty helps major). Worse case scenario I want a mod for every battery out there. At this point, I pretty much have it, except for a 26650.

I have no plans of selling my superT gear, none. I purchased it because I believe in the quality and I believe it will last me if the worse case scenario hits.

Since I went there, if the FDA does step in and ban online sales, what does that mean about repair for products we already own? Will that get caught in the mix?

 

[Zeybrin]

Sure, we could slap together 36 units in that time, but we don't slap units together here. I'm really sorry we aren't meeting your time criteria, but we are doing the best we can do and that is all we can do.


The following is all the steps i personally do after the parts are Polished and washed and ready for final assembly (i personally do all final testing and assembly and final detail work and maybe i shouldn't or won't in the future, but for now i do):

In that time could you also deburr the threads on 10 threaded surfaces per ELA? Could you deburr the button slide? Could you duburr the slide channel on the button? Could you deburr and hone the button shield were the button passes through? Could you deburr the locking mechanism? Could you inspect 15 parts per ELA for flaws or scratches in the polished components after they are polished and then repolish those that didn't meet your specs? Could you fit the orings into the tubes, adjustable draw caps, main tube? Could you flat sand on the belt sander the tops of the non adjustable cap, the adjustable draw cap and bottom "P" locking slide? Could you then assemble the button assembly with the ball detent and install the Rhodium bottom post? Could you test the fit of the screw together components to insure smooth threads after deburring? Could you fit an atomizer to each one, set up the initial post height, install a battery and test fire, test the locking mechanism, test that it doesn't fire when standing up and make any necessary adjustments? Could you test the adjustable draw cap and then bag it up with the necessary spare orings? After it is all assembled, fitted and finished and passed your testing then wipe down each unit with soft cloth to remove any fingerprints/grime, reinspect the wiped down surface for any flaws (refinish again any scratches, burrs etc you may have missed) retest ? Could you then bag each unit in its felt bag, and insure that the correct options and finishes were put on to the order call out and then hand it over to Kevin for packing in the box and shipping?

Rest assured not one of the 4 employees here is dragging their feet and we are doing everything we can to streamline the machining, polishing, fitting, finishing, assembly and testing.

I won't compromise quality for speed, i'm sorry, i know my analness is a damn drag, but it is what it is.

Sure you can make it sound like a lot when you type it all out like that... But what I see is a lot of things that could be done in steps... if you do all of that each time for every unit one at a time.. you are going to destroy a lot of efficiency walking about and switching between processes. Now if you set a goal on a number of units and did each of those steps one at a time to all of the units instead of working on one unit at a time... It would speed things up. Make an assembly line of sorts. Like.. you do a quarter of those steps to a number of units everyday, and then the next day you do the next quarter and by friday all that is left is slapping them together and packaging. If all 4 people are capable of doing all those steps and only do 4 a day that is still 4x4x5 assuming you do a 5 day work week. That's 80 units a week... But for all I know the other 3 people are only capable of looking at them and going... yeah that looks good.. lol

But i'm just thinking out loud here. I wouldn't want to sacrifice quality either don't get me wrong. But do whatever keeps you guys comfortable with your products. Plus this may very well be how you do things, but if not you might want to try it. Working in retail since I was able to drive has taught me a thing or two about efficiency after all the whipping and yelling.. lol

But I love you guys and your products are peerless! I'm just anxious as heck.