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preparing for the upcoming vape "apocalypse"
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That is exactly what I did. I feel good about my decision based on how well mine has already held up and having Kurts input on it.
I not only have mine in glass bottles, I also used my food saver vacuum bags to seal them up and keep any air from getting into them.
Nicotine is the weak link for us, they're going to come at it and come at it hard IMO. They haven't gotten their act together and coordinated "yet". It takes time for the huge behemoth bureaucracy of government to get their .... together, but trust me, they are getting it together to come after it and soon. There will be significant regulations, restrictions and tax's. Hell here in the State of Washington one has to show ID and they log your information for just buying canned air for your computer. So this is why having a freezer full of 100mg nic in PG base is critical. I did the math, for me to comfortably last the rest of my life I need 3 liters, I have 4.5 liters sitting in the freezer. This is for a bit of wiggle room "and" to have something for close friends and family who choose to get off the Stinkies in the future. So while nicotine is still relatively cheep get a few liters in the freezer "now"!
I also went on a huge buying spree the last few months, put a lot of life decisions on hold just to focus on my FDA Apocalypse stash. I'm very well set now for myself "and" for those who I choose to help in the future get off the Stinkies. Now I will just buy something that really peaks my interest.
So take advantage of Sales for hardware, get 100mg nicotine while it's still available and cheap.
Items I've stockpiled that I recommend focusing on
1. 100mg nic juice in PG base, #1 priority
2. Rebuildable RDA'S and Tanks
3. Get some quality mechanical mods. I myself learned how to safely use Mech's and have a good stash. Unlike regulated Mod's which will fail. They're electronic computer component's, they have a limited life span. A good mech will last forever and easy to repair if something does break.
PG, VG and flavoring, it's food. Batteries, too many other uses, may be regulated a bit tighter. Cotton, maybe premium Vape Cotton but organic cotton pads are fine. These things I'm not really worried about at all.
Quality wire though in the gauges we vapers use I am a little bit worried. I especially love SS fused Claptons so I have a very healthy stockpile of it, mostly the smaller gauge wire for wrapping. But it very well may be left alone but I wanted to be especially safe, I really love spinning wire.
So I very highly recommend getting a healthy stash as soon as possible.
Best case scenario is the courts will throw out the FDA reg's and Government doesn't tax the hell out of anything Vaping, you will just have a lot of gear to use, trade and/or sell. But to be perfectly honest with how corrupt our Government is I very highly doubt this will come to be. We're going to get screwed people and screwed hard.
Vaping will go Underground and Black Market. Of course when that happens things will get very expensive.
I refuse to allow Government to force me back to Tobacco! I plan on Vaping and will continue to help as many as I can to get off the Stinkies.
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I also went on a huge buying spree the last few months, put a lot of life decisions on hold just to focus on my FDA Apocalypse stash. I'm very well set now for myself "and" for those who I choose to help in the future get off the Stinkies. Now I will just buy something that really peaks my interest.
So take advantage of Sales for hardware, get 100mg nicotine while it's still available and cheap.
Items I've stockpiled that I recommend focusing on
1. 100mg nic juice in PG base, #1 priority
2. Rebuildable RDA'S and Tanks
3. Get some quality mechanical mods. I myself learned how to safely use Mech's and have a good stash. Unlike regulated Mod's which will fail. They're electronic computer component's, they have a limited life span. A good mech will last forever and easy to repair if something does break.
PG, VG and flavoring, it's food. Batteries, too many other uses, may be regulated a bit tighter. Cotton, maybe premium Vape Cotton but organic cotton pads are fine. These things I'm not really worried about at all.
Quality wire though in the gauges we vapers use I am a little bit worried. I especially love SS fused Claptons so I have a very healthy stockpile of it, mostly the smaller gauge wire for wrapping. But it very well may be left alone but I wanted to be especially safe, I really love spinning wire.
So I very highly recommend getting a healthy stash as soon as possible.
Best case scenario is the courts will throw out the FDA reg's and Government doesn't tax the hell out of anything Vaping, you will just have a lot of gear to use, trade and/or sell. But to be perfectly honest with how corrupt our Government is I very highly doubt this will come to be. We're going to get screwed people and screwed hard.
Vaping will go Underground and Black Market. Of course when that happens things will get very expensive.
I refuse to allow Government to force me back to Tobacco! I plan on Vaping and will continue to help as many as I can to get off the Stinkies.
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Here's Kurt on D'mattress' (sp?) show discussing DIY about 3 years ago.Well, here I sit more than 6 years later with nicotine in my freezer that is just as good as the day that I put it there.
I think that Kurt has had some in his freezer even longer.
Since Kurt is a professional chemist and has been a godsend to this forum with the help and information that he provides, I don't think that he would steer anyone wrong. Freeze it correctly and it should last indefinitely.
A lot of it is common DIY knowledge now but there's a metric .... ton of great info here.
I learn or get reminded of things I forgot every time I watch this video.
Jeannie F***ing K is another industry figure to learn from (Facebook or The Jeannie K Show). Kurt & JFK answer questions starting about 33-34 minutes in.
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Well, I have a feeling a couple of years down the road there are going to be a lot of vapers who didn't prepare...yet will be complaining about having NO nicotine.
Regarding stocking up on tanks and mods, this is why the only mods I've really bought so far to stock up on have been old fashioned mechanicals with magnetic switches. No real parts that can wear, no electronics, no reason why they should not last forever.
Stocked for life with everything needed including nic.
Just did not want to take the chance especially for my wife .
Her cough is long gone and she walks up and down long flight of stairs at work no longer out of breath.
Yes well stocked for the both of us for life .
Would like to add a special thanks to Salem for her years of kindness and assistance.
She has helped many folks - Thank You !
Just did not want to take the chance especially for my wife .
Her cough is long gone and she walks up and down long flight of stairs at work no longer out of breath.
Yes well stocked for the both of us for life .
Would like to add a special thanks to Salem for her years of kindness and assistance.
She has helped many folks - Thank You !
This is great information I came upon years ago.
Just to clarify, nicotine doesn't have a shelf life as is normally used in
the food industry.
It won't spoil, and be unsafe to consume like a food product.
In the chemical industry, the "expiration date", or retest date, is usually
based on prior stability testing to indicate when a chemical, or solution
should be retested to assure it still meets the original specs for usage.
Nicotine will oxidize in reaction to oxygen, light, heat, and moisture to
form nicotine oxides.
These oxides are strongly colored, and are responsible for the yellow,
brown, and sometimes pink or red shades that you may see develop in nicotine
solutions over time.
In addition to the color change, the solution may develop a stronger
characteristic nicotine aroma, and taste which might interfere with very
light, or delicate flavorings.
When this happens it doesn't mean that a solution is now unusable, but
depending on individual tastes, you may find a heavily oxidized solution
only suitable for use with tobaccos (some find this even preferable), or
other strong flavorings.
While you cannot completely prevent the oxidation process once the pure
extract has been opened and mixed, there are a few storage procedures you
can follow to reduce exposure, and keep the solution as close to it's
original state for the longest period of time as possible.
Nicotine solutions should be stored in amber glass containers with a tight
fitting cap to prevent exposure to oxygen, light, and moisture.
If a nicotine solution is going to be used immediately over the course of a
few weeks, leaving it in the plastic shipping container is acceptable, but
if longer storage is needed, the solution should be transferred into glass
containers due to their superior oxygen barrier, and non-reactive
properties.
*** NOTE: Always properly label any rebottled solutions and chemicals! ***
To avoid repeated exposure of the entire solution to oxygen and moisture
during use, we recommend that the solution be divided up among several
smaller amber glass bottles instead of stored in one large bottle.
This way, you can take one small bottle from storage for short term use
while leaving the other bottles sealed, and untouched until needed at a
later date.
Store the filled amber glass bottles in a freezer to help slow down
molecular movement, and chemical reactions in the solution.
When filling the amber glass bottles, leave a minimal air space at the top
of the neck (approximately 1/4") for possible heat expansion when the bottle
is removed from cold storage, and allowed to warm to room temperature again.
Storage and handling recommendations are the same for both propylene glycol,
and glycerin based nicotine solutions.
On a side note, during our stability testing we've consistently witnessed
faster oxidation of VG based solutions in comparison to PG based solutions.
Whether this is due to a difference of hygroscopic properties, retention of
microbubbles during mixing, or other factors is unknown, but I thought I'd
include that for your own interest.
Thanks again for the good questions, and if we can be of any further help
just let me know.
Best regards,
Wizard Labs
Just to clarify, nicotine doesn't have a shelf life as is normally used in
the food industry.
It won't spoil, and be unsafe to consume like a food product.
In the chemical industry, the "expiration date", or retest date, is usually
based on prior stability testing to indicate when a chemical, or solution
should be retested to assure it still meets the original specs for usage.
Nicotine will oxidize in reaction to oxygen, light, heat, and moisture to
form nicotine oxides.
These oxides are strongly colored, and are responsible for the yellow,
brown, and sometimes pink or red shades that you may see develop in nicotine
solutions over time.
In addition to the color change, the solution may develop a stronger
characteristic nicotine aroma, and taste which might interfere with very
light, or delicate flavorings.
When this happens it doesn't mean that a solution is now unusable, but
depending on individual tastes, you may find a heavily oxidized solution
only suitable for use with tobaccos (some find this even preferable), or
other strong flavorings.
While you cannot completely prevent the oxidation process once the pure
extract has been opened and mixed, there are a few storage procedures you
can follow to reduce exposure, and keep the solution as close to it's
original state for the longest period of time as possible.
Nicotine solutions should be stored in amber glass containers with a tight
fitting cap to prevent exposure to oxygen, light, and moisture.
If a nicotine solution is going to be used immediately over the course of a
few weeks, leaving it in the plastic shipping container is acceptable, but
if longer storage is needed, the solution should be transferred into glass
containers due to their superior oxygen barrier, and non-reactive
properties.
*** NOTE: Always properly label any rebottled solutions and chemicals! ***
To avoid repeated exposure of the entire solution to oxygen and moisture
during use, we recommend that the solution be divided up among several
smaller amber glass bottles instead of stored in one large bottle.
This way, you can take one small bottle from storage for short term use
while leaving the other bottles sealed, and untouched until needed at a
later date.
Store the filled amber glass bottles in a freezer to help slow down
molecular movement, and chemical reactions in the solution.
When filling the amber glass bottles, leave a minimal air space at the top
of the neck (approximately 1/4") for possible heat expansion when the bottle
is removed from cold storage, and allowed to warm to room temperature again.
Storage and handling recommendations are the same for both propylene glycol,
and glycerin based nicotine solutions.
On a side note, during our stability testing we've consistently witnessed
faster oxidation of VG based solutions in comparison to PG based solutions.
Whether this is due to a difference of hygroscopic properties, retention of
microbubbles during mixing, or other factors is unknown, but I thought I'd
include that for your own interest.
Thanks again for the good questions, and if we can be of any further help
just let me know.
Best regards,
Wizard Labs
here is another problem i realized. if i bought enough to last 20 years that leaves me at 55 years and nothing left. im 35 years old, my wife is 34. that leaves us only in our mid 50's with no supplies left. my wife already has COPD, its under control but under no circumstances can she return to cigarettes. i fear the government would love for her to return to smoking. as it is the brio she has to take is a couple hundered per month, but the dr has so far given her free samples. that stupid powder filled thing.
the government would never admit it, but they love smokers. tons of money to be made with overpriced medications. dying as sick are profitable. they are scumbags.
the government would never admit it, but they love smokers. tons of money to be made with overpriced medications. dying as sick are profitable. they are scumbags.
Only if those vapers didn't follow the wealth of information right here on this forum as to how to store it properly. I am using some right now that was purchased back in January of 2012. It is still crystal clear and as tasteless as it was the day I received it. I feel sure my stockpile of nic will still be good 20 years from now.
How I store my nicotine
We are just using the 20 years as a guesstimate. I feel like it will last indefinitely if stored properly. If I were you I would determine how much I would need for the rest of my life and buy accordingly. If nothing else you will be saving a bundle of cash by buying now instead of waiting until the powers that be get around to taxing it well beyond a normal persons budget. I don't think it will ever be cheaper than it is right now so buying now is insurance against having to pay more later.
BTW: I am sorry to hear that your wife is having this problem at such a young age
it has not been easy for her, and she comes across many people that say she is "still smoking". ......s really. she went for the breathing and lung tests a couple of times and they came back better then the last visit. yup she's still smoking. im sure if that was the case she would be in a world of hurt right now.
can i at least buy $400 this year and more next year. how much of window before it gets attacked? no one knows. when we were smoking we were DIY cigarette manufactures lol. im sure they are going to attack that too, no more $16 pounds of tobacco. after vaping and not tasting that crap i no longer want to smoke. i went to vaping not to save money but to quit doing something that leads to not only death but a miserable death. people that die from smoking live in hell before they finally die. being un-employed at this moment does not help my stocking up. she starts work soon so that helps. do i put supplies on a credit card? stupid government putting us in this situation, no one should have to buy enough product to last 20+ years. absurd.
what size freezer would i have to buy to keep my stock? how much does that one freezer run up my electric bill? if i buy from MFS, it comes in plastic bottles. do i remove the product from the plastic bottle and put it in glass bottle.
finally is stuff going to become scarce due to these "fire sales", people buying a lifetime of product in a short period of time?
can i at least buy $400 this year and more next year. how much of window before it gets attacked? no one knows. when we were smoking we were DIY cigarette manufactures lol. im sure they are going to attack that too, no more $16 pounds of tobacco. after vaping and not tasting that crap i no longer want to smoke. i went to vaping not to save money but to quit doing something that leads to not only death but a miserable death. people that die from smoking live in hell before they finally die. being un-employed at this moment does not help my stocking up. she starts work soon so that helps. do i put supplies on a credit card? stupid government putting us in this situation, no one should have to buy enough product to last 20+ years. absurd.
what size freezer would i have to buy to keep my stock? how much does that one freezer run up my electric bill? if i buy from MFS, it comes in plastic bottles. do i remove the product from the plastic bottle and put it in glass bottle.
finally is stuff going to become scarce due to these "fire sales", people buying a lifetime of product in a short period of time?
Please check sites through SSL Server Test (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) that was posted by @retired1 if you use your credit card. There have been many here that have had their credit cards compromised. Not saying it's because of vaping sites, but we all need to be aware of this kind of thing happening anytime we shop using our cards. Don't put yourself in a bind with stocking up. Just get what you can when you can and slowly build up your stash to where you feel comfortable.
That is the problem. We just don't know. I just did a little quick math.
6 liters of 100 mg/ml nic from MyFreedomSmokes @ $40.00 each = $240.00
48 120 ml glass bottles for long term storage = $30.00 (You can probably find them cheaper but I've bought from this seller a couple of times and have been happy with their service)
For a total of $270.00
That, to me, is very cheap insurance.
6 liters of 100 mg/ml nic from MyFreedomSmokes @ $40.00 each = $240.00
48 120 ml glass bottles for long term storage = $30.00 (You can probably find them cheaper but I've bought from this seller a couple of times and have been happy with their service)
For a total of $270.00
That, to me, is very cheap insurance.
I personally would not store my nicotine in the plastic bottles they ship in for long time storage. I don't trust it not to leach something into my nic over a period of time.
I actually needed a freezer for more than nicotine so bought a 7.1 cubic ft chest freezer. According to the info that came with it it should only cost me about $30.00 a year to run it.
So far we haven't had a problem buying nicotine so it doesn't seem to be a problem for suppliers to keep up with demand. We can't know what will happen as time goes by. My biggest concern and my main reason for stocking up is the fear that the states are making their own rules as time goes by.
Unfortunately I feel like the states will make products difficult/impossible to obtain through taxation and restriction of internet sales long before 2018 is here.
My guess would be 20 years of nic base would "alright". Personally, I can't believe that in 30 years (20 years + the ten vaping has already made an impact) vaping will be demonized the way it is today. Vaping products might never be as cheap as they are today, but until a better "smoking" alternative is brought about, I don't think they will disappear. The present FDA regs are absurd, I don't think they will survive intact for even their 2 year grace period. That being said, I have almost 30 years nic/wta in a 10 x 15 plastic container in my kitchen freezer. Glass liter bottles. Its cheap insurance.
If you buy a 20 year supply, and it stays good and you still need it for whatever reason (banned/regulated out of existence), you'll have it. If you buy a 20 year supply that does go bad in 10 or 15 years, at least you'll be able to sit and say "I tried to prepare my best".
Let's face it, no single person on this board can say they will definitely be alive 20 years from now (OK, younger members have a lot better chance, but it's still not 100%). You do the best you can with what you have. If you're financially pressed, buy as carefully as possible. If money is no object, fill the bomb shelter with stuff and a dual redundant power supply to the matching freezers for your nic.
All that matters is recognizing preparation for the future is necessary if vaping is important to you. Even if these regs are completely tossed, it's clear individual states will be looking to tax this stuff as much as they feel they can get away with. With that in mind, you'll be in a nice independent place vaping on your DIY juice, while other folks will have to decide if $50 for a 30 ml bottle of juice is worth buying. There's not much of a downside to stocking up in a financially responsible manner.
Let's face it, no single person on this board can say they will definitely be alive 20 years from now (OK, younger members have a lot better chance, but it's still not 100%). You do the best you can with what you have. If you're financially pressed, buy as carefully as possible. If money is no object, fill the bomb shelter with stuff and a dual redundant power supply to the matching freezers for your nic.
All that matters is recognizing preparation for the future is necessary if vaping is important to you. Even if these regs are completely tossed, it's clear individual states will be looking to tax this stuff as much as they feel they can get away with. With that in mind, you'll be in a nice independent place vaping on your DIY juice, while other folks will have to decide if $50 for a 30 ml bottle of juice is worth buying. There's not much of a downside to stocking up in a financially responsible manner.
Jeez, I just computed that I have 66+ years of nic.
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