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Hemp actually used to be grown in this country. It was ran off by the big ag companies. It is cheaper to produce and doesn't' ruin the soil as much as some others. Used to be food tasted good too until the greedy corp used every chemical known to man to substitute eggs and dairy. Now everything tastes like .... and costs a fortune.
Those are the bills that have have passed so far, many many more in litigation. But we're off course here...
Point is no one really wants a ban all they want is control over how to tax. The only real enemy here is big pharma and even they can't do much to stop it at this point. Even if there was a 100% nicotine shutdown (not gonna happen), talk to a farmer give them 100 dollar bill he'll give you some 100mg strength nicotine he uses everyday as pesticide, problem solved.
We need to get back to tobacco and nicotine discussion and not other growing things...lol I don't want to risk anyone using forbidden references.
they'll try, then they are responsible for creating a black market, and then eventually they'll have to fess up and re-legalize it.
Actually it was a better product for certain paper clothing products not what most think as drugs. Then check out canola oil that's an eyeopener too.
What i'm trying to say is it isn't only nic or tobacco It is who stands to lose the most money. FDA. big AG, are just a couple.
All the FDA wants is money. All Big Pharma wants is money. All Big Tobacco wants is money. You could argue until you're blue in the face about all the various angles, but all it boils down to is money. They want it.
But conversely, Innoken, Smoktech, et al., do they really care that they're saving lives? Probably not. They're just like any other company or big business industry. Only, we decided we'd rather give these guys our money (through American vendors or Chinese vendors, doesn't matter, money goes into both pockets), and not the other guys. I'm OK with that.
There is no major conspiracy here. Nothing's going to happen, vaping isn't going to disappear. As soon as they find out how to get their money they'll leave us alone. Anyone who thinks it's any deeper than money, you should re-think things. Cashey money. That about sums everything up.
But conversely, Innoken, Smoktech, et al., do they really care that they're saving lives? Probably not. They're just like any other company or big business industry. Only, we decided we'd rather give these guys our money (through American vendors or Chinese vendors, doesn't matter, money goes into both pockets), and not the other guys. I'm OK with that.
There is no major conspiracy here. Nothing's going to happen, vaping isn't going to disappear. As soon as they find out how to get their money they'll leave us alone. Anyone who thinks it's any deeper than money, you should re-think things. Cashey money. That about sums everything up.
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I sure don't think they are doing it for our health. People are quitting smoking in droves, how else are they going to make up those taxes?
Due to the nature of our devices, and where public knowledge is, we really need to stop any substance references. No need to be associated with that crowd.
I have to agree with this. It is sort of fun, and it is great cardio.
You just have to not care what other people think of you, which is not that hard when you're drunk.
Over the years I have learned to not care what people think about me even when I'm not drunk.
But that's kind of advanced, and I don't recommend it to newbies.
2009 was worse, because the FDA was confiscating shipments of electronic cigarette products.
But then the lawsuit stopped that and so it was a very short-lived problem that never really impacted the average vaper.
Although there were some retailers that got slammed pretty hard.
This is not as bad, yet, because nothing has happened yet.
But if the worst case scenario plays out, this will be just as bad if not worse.
Or maybe the regulations proposed by the FDA will be reasonable and not so problematic.
Either way, we are going to know where we stand well before the fan gets hit by any brown stuff.
All anyone seems to want these days is money.
I wouldn't mind having more.
Of course you are right, that is why I give all this kickback in topics where everyone is talking about their "rights" and going to the ACLU (no rights have been trampled on so they can't). It's not about the right to vape, it's about who gets to make all the MONEY from people vaping.
By the way, thanks for saying this. It's kinda nail hits hammer AFAIC.
So you are saying they will make more money by taxing electronic cigarettes than real ones?
Because if not, they would be shooting themselves in the foot to allow electronic cigarettes to flourish.
People are quitting smoking- whether it be cold turkey, nic gum, prescription NRT, e-nic. Which one of those has the greatest potential as a new source of revenue? Last I checked, prescriptions aren't taxed; neither is e-nic. Fewer people are smoking now than last year and next year, fewer will smoke than did this year.
So, if we allow BT to start ad campaigns again, that should even it out, and put vaping back under the radar.
My argument is based on the idea that eliminating electronic cigarettes is more lucrative than not doing so.
And the figures for number of smokers have not changed all that much in many years, other than just recently because of ecigs.
I always find the argument that they won't ban ecigs because they want to tax them to be illogical.
It is far more logical to eliminate them, as far as I can see.
I do what I can, but it's hard to hope when our brokenass government shuts down for two weeks because none of those asshats have ever had to choose between their medication and light bill so they all take their toys and go home, while still collecting a paycheck...
..................meanwhile, first thing they try to do when they're back in session is pass CISPA again.
It almost seems more prudent to me to just go ahead and assume they'll continue to be backasswards. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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