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[Katdarling]

PS. Gneezie, PM incoming.

 

[Katdarling]

Sorry in advance for the long multi-quote, but seems I have a TON of ECF catching up to do lately!

Is this a fridge or a freezer?

It's a freezer, Lex, and I must say, prolly my smartest purchase of 2015.

Not Signed...

Not Verified...

Because... It Does Not Matter!!!

They are going to do, what they want to do.

Jim

PS Instead of signing some electronic form... Prepare Yourself!!!

I find this interesting, Turfness. Everyone seems to have been gung-ho on signing that petition. What's interesting to me is that CASAA has made some pointed statements about the WH petition.

In Kristin's words, "Secondly, all we can do is let them see for themselves what good it does when they get 100k signatures, like we've done already.

CASAA isn't telling people not to sign the WH petition, we just were explaining why we weren't promoting it in THIS group and were advising OUR members not to waste their time with it or hold any hope out from it. Some petitions can be quite effective and we may even suport a petition in the near future. Unfortunately, most aren't and we've seen TWICE now that the White House petition is completely worthless. (There was a third in there somewhere, but I don't think it ever got enough signatures.)

We had the same pushback with the second (failed) WH petition. All of the same arguments were made and many people just had to see for themselves what we were trying to tell them."

My strategy is to admire my hoard, confirm some offshore sources for high concentration nic, then support the legal fight that will be brought by vendors, and other ecig stakeholders and industry associations.

Although there will be big damage to B&M's and smaller if not most US vendors, the legal battles are about to begin and will need our support to at a minimum modify these regulations. Recent British medical findings are just the first round of ammunition helping us show the huge health benefit and savings to society as a whole that vaping provides.

I remain well prepared but optimistic!

HUGE 440.

Here's a sobering thought. Since I quit smoking, the state of Florida has lost $3660 in exise and state taxes from me not buying smokes. That's from me alone. Now if 25% of the smokers in the state stopped smoking, that would be somewhat of a big loss. In 2015, the state of Florida had about 19,600,000 residents. I tried to figure out how many are of adult or smoking age, and the best I can figure is not less than 60% of the total population. So, let's say 12,000,000 minimum. They say 4 - 5 of 10 adult people smoke cigarettes. So, there are potentially 4,800,000 smokers in the state.

On an annual basis, just from one adult smoker, who smoked 1 pack of cigarettes a day the state loses $2/day per person who quits smoking. Let's say that 25% of the current smoking population in Florida stops buying smokes. That's 1,200,000 times $2/day = $2,400,000 lost revenue from exise and state taxes every single day. Per week, that = $16,800,000/week, which translates to $863,600,000 lost revenue per year.

And we wonder why our government and the states don't want us to quit smoking.

Wow, Rod, well done! Did you borrow my abacus?

"Don't give up. Don't ever give up."

Even if this ends up passing in its current form, things can be reverted in time. Don't lose sight of the fact that The Monster (us) has already been unleashed. The world now KNOWS the benefits of vaping, and that clock can't be turned back. Common sense will prevail, in time. I'm confident of that.

Don't give up.

Don't ever give up.

Please.

And @AstroTurf -

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I mean it.

Excellent, DPL.

Let's Vote Wisely. (The "new" VW)

Wish it were that simple DP...

It's all like a bad dream, courtesy of the US Government.

Still Vapin and Helping others as much as I can.

Jim

I think sometimes initial emotions have to run their course. Shock and sadness, then comes anger, which is a prelude to courage.

Hang in there, Turfy.

Should the deeming regulations take effect in their current form, I suspect those that vaped just for the fun of it will move on to something else, while former smokers will hold on to what works for them. Durable, juice conserving setups are pretty important for the long haul ex-smoker in an era of limited availability and higher liquid prices.

Although there may be a few who can only keep off cigarettes with 100+ wattage setups, just as there may be a few who need 50+mg liquid, these are pretty irrelevant options for most all people who want to keep off the smokes.

The wattage wars, big clouds and constantly chasing the new shiny will be irrelevant should things get tight. We former smokers sure got picky about we required when in reality stopping smoking was the only point. This is a good time to reevaluate what are "wants" versus "needs".

"Just get a ProVari" may be the best advice ever passed on in this forum!

And another huge LIKE from me. I love reading your posts, 440. Thank you!

 

[JUMA55]

I quite like my Vuse as a backup. Way too expensive for full time use though.

Not even close to being as good as my DIY in a Kabuki on a Provari, but I could stay off smokes if I was only allowed to smoke cigalikes.

Definitely not an avenue I would like to explore in any case!

I'll check out the Vuse. I didn't even know about it. I have another hotel stay this week. Thanks.

 

[JUMA55]

I'll share DPL's story (he's out and about and running fast today), with his permission.


Firstly, he would beg you to please understand and not lose site of the fact that he did not write this to be about him, but more as a response to the big picture as regards the FDA regs we are all facing. He also wanted to impact those who were not already vapers, which is why he didn't choose to share it here.

But kuriousity is a powerful force, and because he left the decision to me, I'm opting in for you guys.

He began with the intention of writing a tongue-in-cheek news flash, about how the FDA saved smoker's rights, and how "lucky" we were to have them fighting for our rights. But his mindset shifted.





"Somewhere close to five years ago, Dr. Stephen Bauer said words that caused me to almost faint.

“You’ll almost definitely lose these two toes, and I’m going to try to not cut it off at the knee.”

An artery in my right leg had basically shut down. Annihilated by 30+ years of smoking. Within hours, I was admitted to Stamford Hospital, and they “blew-out’ the artery. It worked, temporarily, but he said that I needed an arterial bypass if I wanted to truly save the leg.

We scheduled the bypass surgery, for about a month out. It was to be on a Wednesday.

Two days before the surgery, that Monday, I went in for a final check-up. It was basically a formality. After completing the Doppler test, Dr. Bauer looked absolutely stunned.

“This is impossible. Your artery is clearing. Did you stop smoking?”

I explained that I had, but that I was using these electronic cigarette things, having had no idea if they were any good. He said, “I don’t know, but whatever you’re doing, KEEP DOING IT.”

He cancelled the bypass surgery, but insisted that I come for monthly check-ups. I did, never missing a single one. With each passing month, things kept getting better and better. This process continued for 18 months.

He finally said to me, “There’s absolutely no reason for you to be in my care. Your arteries are as clean as can be. I’m releasing you. But know that if you ever put another cigarette to your mouth, that I’m going to cutting off that leg, somewhere down the line.”

Well, I haven’t put another cigarette to my mouth. Not a single one.

But thanks to our own Food & Drug Administration, somebody down-line, well, they’re gonna be losing a leg.

You .......s."



It's become obvious, and even more important, that we ALL share our stories, as this is what truly touches other people to the core. Enlist the non-vapers when and where we can. We could use all the soldiers we can find right about now...

Wow! DP thanks for sharing, and Kat thank you for posting.

I never worried about lung cancer and probably should have. But I did worry about being carved up. Your post really puts things in perspective.

 

[JUMA55]

As long as we are on health issues... Here's a "good" one. As a couple of you know, my father-in-law died at the end of March at 90.5 years old. Do you know what the hospital put as cause of death? Tobacco use! As the doctor told us, "He may have quit smoking on VJ day in 1945, but without a doubt that's what killed him in 2016."

Using that f_____ up logic, I'll die when I'm 130!

 

[Katdarling]

WHAT??? Seriously????

Guess someone needed to pad some stats, eh?

Wow, just wow.

 

[AstroTurf]

The FDA asks...

 

[BreSha6869]

I'll check out the Vuse. I didn't even know about it. I have another hotel stay this week. Thanks.

The kit is about $10 and includes battery, one refill and USB adapter. Two refills are $6-7. If you chain vaped it, it might not last long, but I have yet to finish my first cart. I don't use if often though.... Worth checking out. The original flavor isn't terrible... Kinda coffee like..

 

[Mike Geaney]

While what shook out the other day is not good I am optimistic that these will not be the final words. I will support various calls to action thru advocacy groups while also praying that the death of the vape industry, as we know it, will have been prematurely declared. I agree that this is all about $. The post by Sir Rod about the dramatic loss of revenue that states have experienced is a key piece of data. So to are all the political contributions that big tobacco have made over the years. I have been off the cigarettes for over one year now and am convinced that I could not have done that without vaping. Personally I am not worried about stocking up for eternity as my personal plan is to be off the vape within a year or two at most. What I think is a shame are all the folks that could potentially miss out on what I believe to be a life saving technology/product/etc. As with many issues in recent times the Government is overstepping yet again. Let's fight the good fight here.

 

[5Rivers]

I'll share DPL's story (he's out and about and running fast today), with his permission.

I don't post often, but read a lot. Wow! DP, thanks for allowing Kat to share this, and Kat, thanks for sharing. This really brought tears to my eyes. This is the type of message, and the many others like it, that need to get out. Very powerful.

 

[Robino1]

Thank you, Kat.

Sorry I browbeat you into posting but it is truly why I am fighting for vaping.

 

[JUMA55]

WHAT??? Seriously????

Guess someone needed to pad some stats, eh?

Wow, just wow.

Seriously.

 

[Katdarling]

Awwwwww...... Ms. R...... I did not feel browbeat at all. I was happy to share it on his behalf.

You're a sweetie, and I'm proud to fighting together with you...... with all of you.

 

[AstroTurf]

Awwwwww...... Ms. R...... I did not feel browbeat at all. I was happy to share it on his behalf.

You're a sweetie, and I'm proud to fighting together with you...... with all of you.

One if by land, Two if by sea...

 

[DPLongo22]

Using that f_____ up logic, I'll die when I'm 130!

I sure do hope you stocked up on nic, JUMA!!!

And thank, Kat.

 

[coldgin96]

And now you know Everyone is going to be curious about your story..........

I'm curious but am not on Facebook and never will be.

 

[Robino1]

Song going through my head...


You say you want a revolution.....

Beatles

 

[Robino1]

I'm curious but am not on Facebook and never will be.

Scroll back a page. Kat posted it.

It is profoundly touching and is why I am fighting for all those that could be helped by vaping.

 

[DPLongo22]

Song going through my head...


You say you want a revolution.....

Beatles

We're all doing what we can.

 

[coldgin96]

I'll share DPL's story (he's out and about and running fast today), with his permission.


Firstly, he would beg you to please understand and not lose site of the fact that he did not write this to be about him, but more as a response to the big picture as regards the FDA regs we are all facing. He also wanted to impact those who were not already vapers, which is why he didn't choose to share it here.

But kuriousity is a powerful force, and because he left the decision to me, I'm opting in for you guys.

He began with the intention of writing a tongue-in-cheek news flash, about how the FDA saved smoker's rights, and how "lucky" we were to have them fighting for our rights. But his mindset shifted.





"Somewhere close to five years ago, Dr. Stephen Bauer said words that caused me to almost faint.

“You’ll almost definitely lose these two toes, and I’m going to try to not cut it off at the knee.”

An artery in my right leg had basically shut down. Annihilated by 30+ years of smoking. Within hours, I was admitted to Stamford Hospital, and they “blew-out’ the artery. It worked, temporarily, but he said that I needed an arterial bypass if I wanted to truly save the leg.

We scheduled the bypass surgery, for about a month out. It was to be on a Wednesday.

Two days before the surgery, that Monday, I went in for a final check-up. It was basically a formality. After completing the Doppler test, Dr. Bauer looked absolutely stunned.

“This is impossible. Your artery is clearing. Did you stop smoking?”

I explained that I had, but that I was using these electronic cigarette things, having had no idea if they were any good. He said, “I don’t know, but whatever you’re doing, KEEP DOING IT.”

He cancelled the bypass surgery, but insisted that I come for monthly check-ups. I did, never missing a single one. With each passing month, things kept getting better and better. This process continued for 18 months.

He finally said to me, “There’s absolutely no reason for you to be in my care. Your arteries are as clean as can be. I’m releasing you. But know that if you ever put another cigarette to your mouth, that I’m going to cutting off that leg, somewhere down the line.”

Well, I haven’t put another cigarette to my mouth. Not a single one.

But thanks to our own Food & Drug Administration, somebody down-line, well, they’re gonna be losing a leg.

You .......s."



It's become obvious, and even more important, that we ALL share our stories, as this is what truly touches other people to the core. Enlist the non-vapers when and where we can. We could use all the soldiers we can find right about now...

Thank you,

From someone who doesn't have Facebook and never will