Pretty sure they can. The dooming regs say products already out have two years to seek FDA approval for them to continue being sold. That shouldn't negatively impact updating them. At least that's how I saw it.
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Pretty sure they can. The dooming regs say products already out have two years to seek FDA approval for them to continue being sold. That shouldn't negatively impact updating them. At least that's how I saw it.
Yeah, you're probably right. I have a couple of minis that are acting up, and need to get them checked out.
Beauty! Knowing me, I'd pull out the hammer drill, put a hole thru both sides of the atty as well as my coffee table! I like easy. Thx.No drill necessary. Take a pair of scissors, insert in air hole & turn the scissors with your hand. As they go in you'll see the air hole getting bigger.....Airhole increase in under 60 secs. I've done it like this to all my attys that needed the increase.
ElectronicStix, I believe. They were $1 and 10% off for my first order.
I tried to call them but I couldn't find their phone number anywhere...
Good luck actually talking to someone from Provape on the phone.
That's the only problem I have with them. Email only.
Not a big deal, but they would have more of my money if they would pick up a phone and answer my dumb questions live. I called HoH last week with a stupid question, they picked up the phone and answered my question and I placed an order for 2 more HoH mods immediately after. Wouldn't have spent the $$$ if I got voicemail.
From everything I've read on the regs, mostly translated by Legalese translators, software updates (to bug fix) are not considered a tobacco product.
Anything that changes how a vape device works, acts, behaves, smells, tastes, etc...is considered a tobacco product.
Update to make it run more smoothly, or be more safer? Tobacco product.
New drip tip for cooler vape? Tobacco product.
New top cap that doesn't even change the capacity or juice flow performance, or flavor, but is different from the stock cap? Tobacco product.
Plastic tank to swap out exact same dimension glass tank? Tobacco product.
See what I'm getting at here?
Now, it's hard to tell how far that extends, because...the USB cable that I plug into my Radius, for charging and updating...is a tobacco product? Sounds like it.
Hell, it even reads like a new color of the same exact device needs a PMTA.
The only things that sounds like they have any iota of safety, ironically, are:
Wick
Wire
Batteries
Chargers
Food grade flavorings (although sin taxes may spike dramatically.)
PG/VG (although sin taxes may spike dramatically.)
Even if we wanna pretend that Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Gov don't have anything to do with the FDA's hogwash...from the FDA's standpoint, the vape industry is like the Wild Wild West.
Granted, before these regs came to light, many companies and sectors of our industry had already been self-regulating. But in their quest to protect us from ourselves, the FDA was having a heart attack.
Of course, we all know this is a desperate power/money grab by the three Big's.
vaping takes away smokers, so BT loses money.
BT loses smokers, less people sick, BP loses money.
BT & BP lose money, BG's pockets aren't lined as fully.
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Ironically, vaping was directly hurting our government, because our government actually RUNS (at least partially) on corrupt monies!
Our sinister politicians are incentivized by the (not-so) secret monies they get from BT & BP lobbyists and other underhanded means related to those two.
And don't get me wrong...I see what a brilliant "population control tool" smoking is. I am a 100% believer that our government is willing to let people die of 100% avoidable causes, just to maintain population. It's a dark ugly truth that too many sheep in the pen leads to supply shortages... Sometimes a shepherd will "let" the predators grab a few sheep...
Heck, there are timber wolf packs that manage elk and deer herds, all on their own. By picking off the weak and sick, they keep the herd healthy, and keep the number of mouths to feed low enough that the herd can sustain itself.
Dark truths, and necessary evils.
It's all circling the drain, and another billion lives will have to die before the world wakes up and realized that they were wrong.
But if another billion lives are saved/added, our planet may not be able to sustain us much longer.
Anything that changes how a vape device works, acts, behaves, smells, tastes, etc...is considered a tobacco product.
Update to make it run more smoothly, or be more safer? Tobacco product.
New drip tip for cooler vape? Tobacco product.
New top cap that doesn't even change the capacity or juice flow performance, or flavor, but is different from the stock cap? Tobacco product.
Plastic tank to swap out exact same dimension glass tank? Tobacco product.
See what I'm getting at here?
Now, it's hard to tell how far that extends, because...the USB cable that I plug into my Radius, for charging and updating...is a tobacco product? Sounds like it.
Hell, it even reads like a new color of the same exact device needs a PMTA.
The only things that sounds like they have any iota of safety, ironically, are:
Wick
Wire
Batteries
Chargers
Food grade flavorings (although sin taxes may spike dramatically.)
PG/VG (although sin taxes may spike dramatically.)
Even if we wanna pretend that Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Gov don't have anything to do with the FDA's hogwash...from the FDA's standpoint, the vape industry is like the Wild Wild West.
Granted, before these regs came to light, many companies and sectors of our industry had already been self-regulating. But in their quest to protect us from ourselves, the FDA was having a heart attack.
Of course, we all know this is a desperate power/money grab by the three Big's.
vaping takes away smokers, so BT loses money.
BT loses smokers, less people sick, BP loses money.
BT & BP lose money, BG's pockets aren't lined as fully.
----------
Ironically, vaping was directly hurting our government, because our government actually RUNS (at least partially) on corrupt monies!
Our sinister politicians are incentivized by the (not-so) secret monies they get from BT & BP lobbyists and other underhanded means related to those two.
And don't get me wrong...I see what a brilliant "population control tool" smoking is. I am a 100% believer that our government is willing to let people die of 100% avoidable causes, just to maintain population. It's a dark ugly truth that too many sheep in the pen leads to supply shortages... Sometimes a shepherd will "let" the predators grab a few sheep...
Heck, there are timber wolf packs that manage elk and deer herds, all on their own. By picking off the weak and sick, they keep the herd healthy, and keep the number of mouths to feed low enough that the herd can sustain itself.
Dark truths, and necessary evils.
It's all circling the drain, and another billion lives will have to die before the world wakes up and realized that they were wrong.
But if another billion lives are saved/added, our planet may not be able to sustain us much longer.
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So it's 8/7,
And I'm sitting here thinking about all the vape gear I have given away over these years.
I know I helped people. But would love to have it in my backup box.
I should NOT have these feelings.
Thanks, FDA, and Pa government.
{{{{{{{{ hugs }}}}}}}}} I hate to see a person cry.
Funny thing was I read this whole post and was gonna do the clap GIF and only then clap GIF. I didn't realize it was another classic @HBcorpse quality rant. (I didn't realize it was your post I was reading at first).
So it deserves 2 clap GIF's now.
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"Happy" D-Day Eve, Prochatters. Le sigh.
THAT can be FIXED, dahlink! (just you wait)
Here here, or somewhere!! I use the E and L method of Igo enlargement!
She never sends me nothing.
THAT can be FIXED, dahlink! (just you wait)
No drill necessary. Take a pair of scissors, insert in air hole & turn the scissors with your hand. As they go in you'll see the air hole getting bigger.....Airhole increase in under 60 secs. I've done it like this to all my attys that needed the increase.
Here here, or somewhere!! I use the E and L method of Igo enlargement!
Deepest sympathies from Regulated Europe ... All things considered, I think you have been hit somewhat harder.
So, now that Black Monday has arrived, here's a question.
Being that I'm on the road, and thus away from my laptop, I haven't had a chance to download ver. 26 and update my Radius. Obviously the update itself was released in time, but will downloading and updating my device after The Bad Date count as a New Product? Should I be worried about men in cheap suits and Ray Bans beating down my door? (More so than usual, anyway.)
Being that I'm on the road, and thus away from my laptop, I haven't had a chance to download ver. 26 and update my Radius. Obviously the update itself was released in time, but will downloading and updating my device after The Bad Date count as a New Product? Should I be worried about men in cheap suits and Ray Bans beating down my door? (More so than usual, anyway.)
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