Propylene glycol inhaling?

[Fumador]

I agree. That's why I think the only way to be somehow certain of the safety of e-smoking is to inhale very little or not at all.
Luckily there is one good product for that, the ruyan vegas. I just bought my second cigar and I am liking it just like the first one. The only thing spoiling the fun a little is the thought of spending another $50 when this one is over.(it's too much for me).
That's why I'm thinking of alternatives. The problem is that for this type of smoking , it's got to have good taste. Because you're mostly not inhaling, you are savoring it, like I guess smoking a good pipe is.
So far the best I've tried is flue cured from ecig ,but it's impossible to get right now so I'll keep looking.
By the way I do smoke three or four real cigarettes a day, so I guess that makes it a bit easier to e-smoke cigar style. But my point is that it's possible for anyone who's a little concern about inhaling PG, to balance it inhaling only one every few puffs.Everything in moderation.(Easier said than done but ...)
Anyway, that's just my two cents.Cheers.

 

[TropicalBob]

I think I, too, could get used to puffing a Ruyan Vegas, or the soon-to-come GreenCig G100 disposable cigar. The problem, as you wrote, is price. If the Vegas lasted me a week, which it might not, that would be a $45-a-week habit. I can't afford that. E-smoking any e-cig is far less expensive.

But we tend to inhale cigarettes, don't we, while we do not inhale cigars or pipes (in tobacco forms, at least). So I'd like a truly affordable, disposable e-cigar. Affordable would have to be less than half the $45 Ruyan price. It cannot exceed the price of a carton of cigarettes, or it gets out of reach.

And the taste must be superb.

 

[Dark Justice]

That provides no reassurance. We are the guinea pigs for inhaling propylene glycol. Other tests for transdermal application, ingestion, etc., do not necessarily assure the safety of sucking these vapors into human lungs 200 to 300 times a day, every day.

Ok for one if you are in need of an E-cig you smoke. There is a little fact of over 200 chemicals in cigarettes. Including 4 toxins and numerous carcinogens and co-carcinogens. Even if there was a slight side effect to inhaling it I highly doubt it would compare to the risk of smoking actual tobacco! It has been deemed safe for consumption in multiple sutdies. There is a study that relates to inhaling, it is not recommended becuase in rare cases it caused minor irritation but no physical damage. If you look at almost anything in your house I am sure you will find half of it contains propolene glycol.

 

[leaford]

I think I, too, could get used to puffing a Ruyan Vegas, or the soon-to-come GreenCig G100 disposable cigar. The problem, as you wrote, is price. If the Vegas lasted me a week, which it might not, that would be a $45-a-week habit. I can't afford that. E-smoking any e-cig is far less expensive.

But we tend to inhale cigarettes, don't we, while we do not inhale cigars or pipes (in tobacco forms, at least). So I'd like a truly affordable, disposable e-cigar. Affordable would have to be less than half the $45 Ruyan price. It cannot exceed the price of a carton of cigarettes, or it gets out of reach.

And the taste must be superb.

Bob, check E-bay. Heaven Gifts has them for 5 for $120. That's $24 each.

 

[TropicalBob]

Apples and oranges comparison. We're not using cigarettes. Cigarettes we understand. E-cigarettes we do not. The studies on our practice are not complete.

Do more research on propylene glycol. As you do, you'll not find any study where humans were exposed to vapors in the way we are. The danger, if any, is unknown. There is no assurance that our practice is safe.

I e-smoke. I don't worry all that much when I do. But I won't tell anyone that it's safe. Fact is, we don't know.

 

[20ADAY]

Im hedging my bets that it is no where near as bad as taking in the reak of death that comes from tobacco, but I dont think taking anything into your lungs consistantly can be good for them and any long term effects would need an appropriate amount of time to develop!

 

[IowaGirl]

If any of you go out to a quit smoking site, it tells you that when you quit smoking you go through a period of increased couching, hacking, extra mucus, etc. This is the crap getting out of your lungs from years of smoking. However, anything more than that may mean you are allergic to PG, im not a nurse so cannot say. This is day 2 for me and man am I coughing up stuff but I knew already this was going to happen. I feel pretty safe to say that we are losing the hundreds of nasty chemicals we have been inhaling in our bodies for years and now your body is getting rid of them.

Just my thoughts....thanks

 

[IowaGirl]

Spell check? I must have missed it...increased couching...LOL sorry

 

[Frankie]

I apologise if repeating somebody else´s argument, but both PG and VG are present in most cigarette and pipe tobaccoes. We have all been inhaling the stuff for years.

...Philip Morris recommended to submit propylene glycol plasticized cigarettes for consumer tests since these cigarettes have been shown to deliver fewer tars and recommended tests to be done with propylene glycol as an emollient (soother anti-irritant) in the filter and in the filler at varying levels. In 1975 Philip Morris examined alternative methods of casing to reduce PG loses or eliminate PG and recommended to eliminate PG from ES casing. In 1978 Philip Morris conducted test designed to determine if the propylene glycol could be removed from the casing with no adverse effects on the quality of the expanded tobacco and thus realize a cost savings. They concluded to reduce propylene glycol 50 to 33% in the final product. Philip Morris conducted comparison test in 1986 for the replacement of a mix of the humectants PG and glycerine versus the humectant TEG in RCB and comparing the physical performance of RL and RCB with new humectants (propylene glycol and glycerine) replacing the old humectant TEG. They concluded the test cigarettes with a mix of PG (3%) and glycerin (4%) was rated subjectively equivalent to the control with 4.5% TEG. The industry examined in 1989 the specific levels of aldehydes and ketones that were determined in mainstream smoke with varying levels of propylene glycol and glycerine. According to RJR memo dated 1990 propylene glycol had been approved by Scientific Affairs for use in cigarette products. A 1991 RJR study concluded relocating propylene glycol from the casing for cutting to the top dressing did not affect overall perception.

 

[TropicalBob]

This a very old thread, and many of our health concerns have been put to rest with completion of the cartridge tests in New Zealand. I am no longer concerned at all about inhaling PG. Note also that it's been used for ages in pipe tobacco, which I puff daily. It's a humectant, as is glycerine. Keeps tobacco from drying out horribly. But, of course, it's not used in tobacco in amounts similar to how we use it.

 

[thatgirlblu]

Hi, I am brand new here and just discovered these e-cigs. I wanted to leave my two cents for what its worth..

As for inhaling PG, my best guess is, it's not good. Inhaling any type of chemical isn't good. But on the one hand, I think most of us would agree that we'd rather inhale PG & water vapor every day than the hundreds and hundreds of toxic chemicals in cigs....and the tar and carbon monoxide.

Saying "everything in moderation" is absolutely right. And maybe if were so concerned about it, we need to make some sacrifices. If ingesting or inhaling too much PG is a concern but you still want to smoke, then maybe you could try to cut down on other things you use and eat and ingest that contain PG (mouthwashes, certain foods, beauty products, etc.) you can buy more natural products without PG. And just maintain over all good health, and make better choices. If your only vice is smoking, but you eat healthy balanced meals, and excersize, and try to reduce stress and live a healthier lifestyle (besides the smoking) that will really help. Most people who die from smoking related diseases or complications also have other factors, i.e. bad health, don't excersize, over stressed, don't drink enough water, don't get enough vitamins, etc.

So my idea is, eat healthy, take vitamins, excersize, enjoy life, smile, and if you have to smoke, then smoke. But knowing you are compromising your health with one thing, try to make up for it in other ways.

This is common sense, and sorry you knew all this already but just figured id mention it.

-Blu
XoX

 

[TropicalBob]

Please read the "germ-killing vapor" thread and the final Health New Zealand test results. This is a very old, somewhat outdated thread you posted to, and the newer threads should thoroughly convince anyone that that PG is not only NOT BAD but might actually be beneficial to you. I was a worrier for months -- I no longer have even the slightest concern about PG. Nicotine? Yes. PG? No. Please read the science (not the opinions) and see if your views don't change.

 

[karenwest1961]

I hear ya, T-Bob. I'm good to go with the PG too. I've been vaping for awhile now and I'm just fine.

 

[Sheepra]

Howdy!
I am also new, and exploring whether or not to venture in to the e-cig world.
I quit smoking about 2 years ago after 35 years of smoking menthols. I am doing okay except for a couple of things. I think it has contributed immensely to my having more difficulty with food cravings and I find that I still suffer in social situations not having that 'prop'.
The e-cig sounds like it could help me with those problems if I use the zero nic cartridges. But since it seems so 'iffy' on safety, I wonder if I am better off not to start up. Maybe it would be okay if I didn't do it often or if I didn't inhale (though I think that would be hard). But I really long for that sensation of inhaling and then blowing out the vapor I see described in the vids. Even the little end lighting up makes me all aflutter!
I guess the bottom line is that I want to do it but I'm scared.
I am trying to figure the safest way to do it, exploring super pure flavors and even considering trying the colloidal silver I make in it, since that has been shown to do wonders for lungs in vapor form (anyone know about that?).
Advice, recommendations, etc will be greatly appreciated!
Blessed, healthy, prosperous & FREE be,
B'Shem Yeshua,
from
Sheepra

 

[SMILIN]

Howdy!
I am also new, and exploring whether or not to venture in to the e-cig world.
I quit smoking about 2 years ago after 35 years of smoking menthols. I am doing okay except for a couple of things. I think it has contributed immensely to my having more difficulty with food cravings and I find that I still suffer in social situations not having that 'prop'.
The e-cig sounds like it could help me with those problems if I use the zero nic cartridges. But since it seems so 'iffy' on safety, I wonder if I am better off not to start up. Maybe it would be okay if I didn't do it often or if I didn't inhale (though I think that would be hard). But I really long for that sensation of inhaling and then blowing out the vapor I see described in the vids. Even the little end lighting up makes me all aflutter!
I guess the bottom line is that I want to do it but I'm scared.
I am trying to figure the safest way to do it, exploring super pure flavors and even considering trying the colloidal silver I make in it, since that has been shown to do wonders for lungs in vapor form (anyone know about that?).


If you are not smoking now, do NOT start here. I am a nic addict, was smoking 60-100 kools day, I have been kool free for over a month. This is what these are for....cutting down/quiting.'

Keep up NOT smoking anything IMHO

Good luck

 

[e-pipeman]

The big danger would be that, having tried a no-nicotine cartridge, your curiosity would be aroused and you'd end up either on nic cartridges or (worse) back on tobacco. If I were you I'd resist, only trying it if you felt sure that you'd revert to tobacco if you didn't. That last sentence is as clear as mud

 

[Kate]

Only do it if you find yourself craving tobacco, it's not proven safe but is probably better than smoking.

I know what you mean about the habit/prop and blowing smoke, I personally think I could quit nicotine sooner than give up the ritual.

 

[dnakr]

I would agee - if you can stay away from all "smoking". Yes IMO the e-cigarette is better than a real cig and I agree with Kate - it would be easier for me to give up nicotine than it would be to give up the ritual.

If you do decide to try this - only use zero nicotine or order VG and flavoring and prepare you own mix. If you are not extremely careful - you will be back on nicotine before you know it.

 

[ladybug51]

What is VG?

 

[BadSeed]

Vegetable Glycerine. It's commonly used in baking. Certainly here in the UK you can find it in the baking section of supermarkets. You can use it instead of propylene glycol to create the smoke like vapour.