Provari and Variable Wattage.

[junkman]

All that testing and development is going to come at a higher price too.THAT should appease the masses who already complain about the so-called high cost of a Provari.

I don't consider $160 to be all that high cost. It is only a high cost if something better is just around the corner.

There is a market for a high quality, reliable VW device. If provape doesn't address that market, someone else will. Believe it, they are coming.

It would be foolish of Provape to not develop a VW option. Research, development, and testing are part of their business, so they better be doing it.

Of course, if they buy in huge bulk to reduce their costs, they may be sitting on a year's worth of VV boards or something in which case it makes sense for them to try to use those up before introducing a new board.

 

[flintlock62]

There is a development associated cost with all new devices. That includes eGo, KGo, Lavatube, Reo, Provape, etc., etc, etc.

All that testing and development is going to come at a higher price too.THAT should appease the masses who already complain about the so-called high cost of a Provari.

 

[zapped]

No. It is not different numbers that mean the same thing.

One is a measure of input, the other is a measure of output. The output is dependent on the input voltage and the resistance. If you control the output directly, you don't have to think about the input or resistance.

If you control the input only, then you have to account for the resistance to get to the output.

It is kind of like a baker controlling his bread oven by a) choosing the flow rate of gas to the oven, or b) choosing the temperature he wants to bake at.

One (VW) is a more simple control approach than the other (VV).

Can you get to the same place with both? Of course. Is it hard to adjust the voltage to find the sweet spot? Not really.

That still doesn't change the fact that having the choice between 2 devices that are the same in all other aspects, the VW would be easier to use and definitely better for someone that vapes using a lot of different resistances.

Okay, thats what confusing me here.If youre a veteran vaper why the hell would you vape using a lot of different resistances to start with? You see MANY people on these forums who only use Boges at 2.0, 2.4 etc.The same thing goes for Smoktek.I use Smoktek single coil 1.7ohm prepunched cartos exclusively because thats what works for me.

From where Im sitting it sounds like you expect the rest of us to make the jump to variable wattage to make up for your own shortcomings.I could probably write a few more paragraphs abut how being wish-washy is not a very desirable trait in a man and about how companies shouldnt go out of their way to enable that kind of thinking but I'll keep it short and sweet. If thats the best argument you have for going to variable wattage them Im sticking with my "outdated" Provari.

 

[bubbajoe72]

If you're a veteran vaper, then you're going to have all sorts of attys/cartos that have different resistances because not all juices vape the same way. Some flavors are more subtle than others and would get burnt tasting at higher temperatures. Before variable voltage, the only way you could change the output was by changing the resistance (LR, standard, and HR atties) or changing the battery setup (3.7V egos/mods or 6.0V mods).

 

[xplumberx]

I emailed ProVape... no VW anytime soon... maybe some day was their response. They're working on other things at this point in time! As a owner of a Zmax v1 & v2.. V2 is accurate...

 

[junkman]

From where Im sitting it sounds like you expect the rest of us to make the jump to variable wattage to make up for your own shortcomings.I could probably write a few more paragraphs abut how being wish-washy is not a very desirable trait in a man and about how companies shouldnt go out of their way to enable that kind of thinking but I'll keep it short and sweet. If thats the best argument you have for going to variable wattage them Im sticking with my "outdated" Provari.

Warning: this won't be wishy washy.

You must be sitting in the wrong place then. I could care less what you do. You seem to have a misconception that I give a ....e.

I am talking about relative merits of two technologies. I think it is very clear to any thinking man which one is the better approach.

You already have a VV provari? Yeah, stick with it if you want, though again I don't give a crap what you or anyone else does. I wouldn't buy a VW provari if I had a VV provari.

Is the market moving to VW? Yes. Why is it moving to variable watts? Because it is an advancement in the technology. Does that mean that everyone needs to dump their existing mods? Hell, no. Does that mean when more and more people are shopping for a VW supported mod. Yep. Do a lot of people come on the ECF to discuss new developments and new ideas? Yeah, a lot of us do.

If I wanted to be a Luddite I would still be on stinkies and most certainly wouldn't be discussing vaping on the internet. As I am not a Luddite I try to understand and take full advantage of advances in technology. Talk about shortcomings.

 

[zapped]

If you're a veteran vaper, then you're going to have all sorts of attys/cartos that have different resistances because not all juices vape the same way. Some flavors are more subtle than others and would get burnt tasting at higher temperatures. Before variable voltage, the only way you could change the output was by changing the resistance (LR, standard, and HR atties) or changing the battery setup (3.7V egos/mods or 6.0V mods).

Thats why I have a Provari to begin with.Once I found out what worked for me I either used those old cartos up or threw them away. Dont let the 18 days fool you, I quit smoking for 6 months before this and went almost a whole year before that.Ive long since passed the point where I had to use a different resistance for each different juice I had and my point still stands. If thats best reason you have for variable wattage then you dont have a leg to stand on.

 

[elmattias]

No. It is not different numbers that mean the same thing.

One is a measure of input, the other is a measure of output. The output is dependent on the input voltage and the resistance. If you control the output directly, you don't have to think about the input or resistance.

If you control the input only, then you have to account for the resistance to get to the output.

It is kind of like a baker controlling his bread oven by a) choosing the flow rate of gas to the oven, or b) choosing the temperature he wants to bake at.

One (VW) is a more simple control approach than the other (VV).

Can you get to the same place with both? Of course. Is it hard to adjust the voltage to find the sweet spot? Not really.

That still doesn't change the fact that having the choice between 2 devices that are the same in all other aspects, the VW would be easier to use and definitely better for someone that vapes using a lot of different resistances.

while I agree that they are different measurements, if you are using one device at 4.9 watts with a 3 ohm carto, you know you are at 8 watts, if you use this setup on a provari...you know you are vaping 8 watts, if you set a Darwin to 8 watts, and put that same carto on, you will see the little display say 4.9 volts...and you'll get the exact same vape.

bottom line- two numbers reaching the exact same outcome...there is no difference in quality...however, grab a zmax and turn the wattage up to 8 and put the same carto on it, and I'd be willing to bet the zmax fries it...it's about performance and accuracy...that is what I mainly stressed in my post, so read better before you start spitting basic electrical theory in my face.

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[xplumberx]

As I own 4 MODS, ProVari... Vmax V2, Zmax V1, and Zmax V2... all devices perform well.. ProVari is smoother and more flavorfull IMO, but I must say that the Zmax, even version 1 comes damn close.. now I have the Zmax v2... only difference is now the numbers on the display are more accurate. I adjust for vape and flavor... the numbers are just a starting point. VV or VW doesnt really matter IMO... when you adjust voltage the wattage changes, OHM's law. VW just displays the output power for you!

 

[Vappa]

Okay, thats what confusing me here.If youre a veteran vaper why the hell would you vape using a lot of different resistances to start with? You see MANY people on these forums who only use Boges at 2.0, 2.4 etc.The same thing goes for Smoktek.I use Smoktek single coil 1.7ohm prepunched cartos exclusively because thats what works for me.

From where Im sitting it sounds like you expect the rest of us to make the jump to variable wattage to make up for your own shortcomings.I could probably write a few more paragraphs abut how being wish-washy is not a very desirable trait in a man and about how companies shouldnt go out of their way to enable that kind of thinking but I'll keep it short and sweet. If thats the best argument you have for going to variable wattage them Im sticking with my "outdated" Provari.

Some people only use one pan in the kitchen with one diameter. And they are okay with it.
Other people like to use various pans with various diameter because that enables them to choose a different pan for baking an egg than they would choose for making baked potatoes.
If you like to stick with one pan (mod and carto), fine. But let others explain to other people what the benefits are of having more (mod, carto, atty, clearo...).
(I'm cooking, so that's why i use pans as an example ).

 

[junkman]

Grumpy Old Man: I'm old and I'm not happy. Everything today is improved and I don't like it. I hate it! In my day we didn't have hair dryers. If you wanted to blow dry your hair you stood outside during a hurricane. Your hair was dry but you had a sharp piece of wood driven clear through your skull and that's the way it was and you liked it! You loved it. Whoopee, I'm a human head-kabob. We didn't have Manoxidol and Hair Wings, in my day if your hair started falling out when you were 16 by 19 you were a bald freak. There was nothing you could do about it. Children would spit at you and nobody would mate with you so you couldn't pass on your disgusting baldness genes. You were a public menace, a crome dome by age 20 and that's the way it was and we liked it! We loved it. Hallelujiah look at me, I'm a bald freak oh happy day! Not like today, everybody feeling good about themselves. I hate it! In my day we didn't have these thin laytex condoms. So you could enjoy sexual pleasure. In my day there was only one kind of condom. You took a rabbit skin and wrapped around your privates and tied it off with a bungee cord and you couldn't feel nothing! And half the time you didn't even know your partner was there. And we used the same one over and over again! 'Cause we were ignorant ......! Just a bunch of hairless, head-kabobs standing around with rabbit skins on our dinks and that's the way we liked it!

Dana Carvey

 

[junkman]

while I agree that they are different measurements, if you are using one device at 4.9 watts with a 3 ohm carto, you know you are at 8 watts, if you use this setup on a provari...you know you are vaping 8 watts, if you set a Darwin to 8 watts, and put that same carto on, you will see the little display say 4.9 volts...and you'll get the exact same vape.

bottom line- two numbers reaching the exact same outcome...there is no difference in quality...however, grab a zmax and turn the wattage up to 8 and put the same carto on it, and I'd be willing to bet the zmax fries it...it's about performance and accuracy...that is what I mainly stressed in my post, so read better before you start spitting basic electrical theory in my face.

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Yeah, I won't buy a device that can't give consistent power.

But you didn't see me spit anything. I an tired of all the BS saying the controlling input is the same as controlling the output. Yeah, you can get to the same place but it isn't the same process. Why all the animosity toward improved tech and discussion of same? That is what I want to know.

 

[GalenCopes]

Okay, thats what confusing me here.If youre a veteran vaper why the hell would you vape using a lot of different resistances to start with? You see MANY people on these forums who only use Boges at 2.0, 2.4 etc.The same thing goes for Smoktek.I use Smoktek single coil 1.7ohm prepunched cartos exclusively because thats what works for me.

From where Im sitting it sounds like you expect the rest of us to make the jump to variable wattage to make up for your own shortcomings.I could probably write a few more paragraphs abut how being wish-washy is not a very desirable trait in a man and about how companies shouldnt go out of their way to enable that kind of thinking but I'll keep it short and sweet. If thats the best argument you have for going to variable wattage them Im sticking with my "outdated" Provari.

Some of us actually want to play around in the rebuildable market (I just got my Genisis in yesterday). This experimentation will involve different wicks, different wires and different coil lengths, wraps...ect. Maybe having VW is to cover my shortcomings, or maybe it is just to make life a little easier.

When my lava tube finally broke, I decided to buy something better. I went to my local smoke shop and got the chance to compare the owner's used Provari sitting on the shelf for sale and his ZMax sitting in his hand vaping. He simply likes the ZMax better. If he would have had a ZMax there (other than the one in his hand that he did offer to sell me), I would have bought it. He didn't, so I ordered the one that I wanted (his was chrome, I ordered SS).

Galen

 

[elmattias]

Yeah, I won't buy a device that can't give consistent power.

But you didn't see me spit anything. I an tired of all the BS saying the controlling input is the same as controlling the output. Yeah, you can get to the same place but it isn't the same process. Why all the animosity toward improved tech and discussion of same? That is what I want to know.

so if you agree that in my previous analogy that 4.9 volts on provari vs 8 watts on a Darwin would give you the exact same vape, then I don't see how you can't see that both numbers essentially mean the same.exact.thing.

how do I see it? vw is the lazy way (or the "for dummies" way) while vv gives the same results you'd like, but makes you work a little bit...

however, you are still dodgy about the main point I tried to make...performance is key...I want something that works, and works well....i don't care if it's vv,vw, or both...and quite frankly I DO NOT see the zmax as the next big thing, and this is still a two horse race with the provari and the Darwin...at least until we start seeing some DNA 20 mods pop up.

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[PimpFinger]

I'm dandy using vv for quite some time, way of the future or not. I adjust a number based on liquid being used, occasionally change when I use a different ohm. I don't use charts, I use "this tastes good".

My thoughts exactly.

 

[junkman]

so if you agree that in my previous analogy that 4.9 volts on provari vs 8 watts on a Darwin would give you the exact same vape, then I don't see how you can't see that both numbers essentially mean the same.exact.thing.

how do I see it? vw is the lazy way (or the "for dummies" way) while vv gives the same results you'd like, but makes you work a little bit...

however, you are still dodgy about the main point I tried to make...performance is key...I want something that works, and works well....i don't care if it's vv,vw, or both...and quite frankly I DO NOT see the zmax as the next big thing, and this is still a two horse race with the provari and the Darwin...at least until we start seeing some DNA 20 mods pop up.

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I only pointed out the parts of you comment that I didn't agree with. I never once said Zmax was better or preferred, ever, anywhere, on any thread. I think if you go through all my posts I have consistently said I would like a Provari -- or something rock solid as Provari in power regulation. I didn't feel the need to continue to repeat this. I did repeat it in the post you just quoted. I won't buy a device (at least more that $40 device) that can't be counted on to be reliable and consistent.

You call it VW lazy I call it smart. There are a lot of ways to do the same thing. Some take advantage of technology, some rely on more effort. If the outcome is the same, why not use the one that takes less effort?

 

[elmattias]

I only pointed out the parts of you comment that I didn't agree with. I never once said Zmax was better or preferred, ever, anywhere, on any thread. I think if you go through all my posts I have consistently said I would like a Provari -- or something rock solid as Provari in power regulation. I didn't feel the need to continue to repeat this. I did repeat it in the post you just quoted. I won't buy a device (at least more that $40 device) that can't be counted on to be reliable and consistent.

You call it VW lazy I call it smart. There are a lot of ways to do the same thing. Some take advantage of technology, some rely on more effort. If the outcome is the same, why not use the one that takes less effort?

in essence if you must know I prefer vv to vw...I prefer a different vape with different juices, and feel as if I can fine tune my vape better in voltage incriments as opposed to a hard wattage setting, in example, the wattage settings on the zmax go in increments of half watts...where on my provari I can break it down to a tenth of a volt....NONE of the vw devices can be that fine tunable, except for the Darwin, which is technically even more accurate...

but most of the other options are even more horrible, look at the stallion, you can't even see your wattage...you push buttons and pray you don't get a mouthful if burned wick....

and if you are like me and like different levels for different juices, the kick just isn't practical, as you have to open up the mod every time you change flavors...

is vw a great idea? sure. do I want to see more stuff with vw ? sure, but I want to see it done RIGHT.

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[xplumberx]

Zmax version 2 is accurate just to set the record straight. I own one, tests have been done... it is almost dead on. Probably a better MOD for the rebuildable people.. ( I hope to be one of those soon )... and I will probably get one of these DNA20 devices too... if I could find a DARWIN I wouldn't buy one just because it seems a bit odd in your hand, oh yeah and the price. ProVari, Zmax, Vmax... all good devices, its like Lexus, Toyota, Honda, etc... it all boils down to what you like (looks, performance, etc.)... personally I like them all!

 

[junkman]

in essence if you must know I prefer vv to vw...I prefer a different vape with different juices, and feel as if I can fine tune my vape better in voltage incriments as opposed to a hard wattage setting, in example, the wattage settings on the zmax go in increments of half watts...where on my provari I can break it down to a tenth of a volt....NONE of the vw devices can be that fine tunable, except for the Darwin, which is technically even more accurate...

but most of the other options are even more horrible, look at the stallion, you can't even see your wattage...you push buttons and pray you don't get a mouthful if burned wick....

and if you are like me and like different levels for different juices, the kick just isn't practical, as you have to open up the mod every time you change flavors...

is vw a great idea? sure. do I want to see more stuff with vw ? sure, but I want to see it done RIGHT.

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I can agree 100% with this comment or at least 99% (depending on where you are at a tenth of a volt can make a larger than a half watt variance). That is why I would like a provari with a VW, and I have to believe it will come eventually.

 

[junkman]

Zmax version 2 is accurate just to set the record straight. I own one, tests have been done... it is almost dead on. Probably a better MOD for the rebuildable people.. ( I hope to be one of those soon )... and I will probably get one of these DNA20 devices too... if I could find a DARWIN I wouldn't buy one just because it seems a bit odd in your hand, oh yeah and the price. ProVari, Zmax, Vmax... all good devices, its like Lexus, Toyota, Honda, etc... it all boils down to what you like (looks, performance, etc.)... personally I like them all!

I haven't seen those tests.....I will need to check it out further.