Provari on an Oscope vs Vamo

[PLANofMAN]

I am pretty certain that your ears tell you different every single time you fire your device at anything less than 6 volts...

I would agree that when dry, this may be the case... When the coil is wet, it is flashing the fluid in immediate contact with the coil into vapor, it is NOT bringing the fluid temeratures up to reach the average temp of the coil. You can HEAR the sizzle of this fluid being vaporized...

In the case of the ProVari, this sizzle is constant, you can literally hear that the coil is maintaining its temperature the whole time the device is being fired.

In the case of the Vamo you can clearly hear that there are breaks in the sizzling sound of juice being vaporized. This is because the heat decay time surrounded by fluid at an extreme temperature differential is too fast to maintain an average temperature high enough to continue to vaporize the fluid during off cycle periods. The indisputable FACT that you can hear this rattlesnake sound is proof that the coils do indeed "react that fast" when under the effect of a catalyst, in this case a coolant... No kidding, Propylene Glycol is the same stuff used as the cooling agent in Anti Freeze... It keeps your engine block from glowing red hot, and it works wonders in knocking the heat of your atomizer coil off in a split second...

If your coil truly did not react that fast, and the average was fine, as you claim, then you would hear a constant sizzle with the Vamo as well.

I think something we can all agree on here is... You can hear the Vamo rattling all up and down the voltage range... If it's not sizzling, it's too cold to vaporize fluid... Vamo is only sizzling when on cycle... and I promise you, you are likely burning fluid at it's peak voltage. So, taking reaction times of the coil in to play... Assuming you are reaching the intended heat of the coil at 6V, you are only achieving the "sweet spot" heat range twice per cycle, and only as the temperature is shooting from well below the intended heat range, to well above the intended heat range, and again well below... Two times in that cycle, and only for a miniscule portion of the heating and decay did you actually achieve the sweet spot heat for your fluid. Your coil spends much more time well below, or well above this intended heat range...

So what you are able to achieve is not a true representation of the taste of your juice. It is a very jumbled up and down vapor that the "average" of burnt flavors and sweet spot flavors achieved have triggered your taste buds into a state of tom foolery where the perceived flavor is acceptable.

I really wish I was making all this up... LoL

You don't need an O-Scope, and you don't need to believe any of us "fan boys" If a Vamo works for you, that's awesome...

But if you let your ears and taste buds be the judge... Well, I know FOR ME, I can HEAR and TASTE a noticable difference when using the ProVari compared to the Vamo. I own and use both... All other variables being the same, vaping with the ProVari gives a fuller flavor than the Vamo each and every vape... No question about it.

So far this post is one of the few in this thread that really makes sense.

 

[sawlight]

The following post is the most anti-provari post I have ever made. Normally, I get into these "discussions" from just calling out the BS, but don't really criticize Provari at all. But all this "mod envy" and crap about people trying to justify their cheap chineses junk against a provari is enough that I want to make it clear.

Provari is a great device. ESPECIALLY for those who only want one device or one main device with ego back up etc. People who want to buy a main device and keep it for years with no need for another. For such people, economically, it may be the cheapest device for them over the long term. It certainly isn't anything that inspires "envy" in today's vape market. If you think it is, you are fooling yourself.

Despite my respect for what provari is, if I were to make a list of mods I want to buy, it isn't on it regardless of price. If I could pick one up for the price of a VAMO, I might. But at this point probably not. I have enough different vaping devices that I have no concerns for the reliability, ruggedness or repairability of any single device. Pretty much all my devices do what they are supposed to do and I take care of what I have.

Any new device that I buy that is going to be more than about $50 needs to be more interesting to me. Something like the Billet Box or something from Kato or that other korean mod with all the cool laser designs, a caravella or some such.

Why would I buy a provari when it just isn't that interesting, and I don't have any need for another vaping device that isn't interesting? I probably wont be buying another VAMO either, although you can get them for about $40. I definitely won't be buying an evic. I just don't see buying more boring VV/VW devices, and if I do, I won't be spending over $50 for them.

Now if provari came out with a new device that had their legendary reliablity and service along with the evic screen, upgrade ability, VW, VAMO type button controls and a more interesting body, I might get excited. But the current version? eh

And there is nothing wrong with that and I respect your opinion. I, on the other hand, am tired of throwing things away! I think EGO's are some of the neatest creatures in the vaping world, but I wont be buying any more of them, they are disposable! They last until they die, throw it away and get a new one. After years of using cig-alikes, drop one, done, drain the battery too many times, done etc. Throw it away.
After getting a BB my world changed completely! No more throwing things away, other than a reasonably priced battery.
When I got back into vaping I read about the vv craze, but wasn't sure about it, I'd played with the 5-7v mods when stacked batteries where all the rage. But I liked the concept.
I happened on a Lava Tube for $40 OTD so I bought one. Now mind you, I'm VERY hard on things, there are many scars on my BB to attest to this! To me, the LT was JUNK! Pure and simple! It didn't even weigh as much as my BB! Then it was so big it was trying to drop out of my pocket and every time I dropped it I figured would be the last time I would use it! But I liked vv.
I came here and read, then read, then read some more. I almost didn't buy a Provari because of some of the issues many others here have with some of the posters. I was ready to get an Evic. Then I started seeing some of the problems with them, the software was all jacked up, locking up, one the screen just melted!
So I bought a Provari mini. It's the same size as my BB, a big plus, it's built like a tank, bigger plus, and it's backed by a company that is known to stand behind it and service it, huge plus! What do I do when, and I do mean "when", it breaks? I throw it in the trash!
I like that it can roll down the driveway, I like that I can drop it, I like it that I can use it around welders, and it still works!
I can't afford 12 Provari's, I couldn't even afford this one! I have a broken back, no disability and had to do a lot of things, cut and split firewood, do a head gasket on a Honda CRV etc., that angered my wife and Dr's very much! But it was worth it to me! Now I have to wonder what I'm going to have to do to come up with the money to buy a second one for a back up, but I will get a second one for a back up!
As for the origins on this thread, I can easily tell the difference between the Prov and LT, the same setting I get juice crackling and popping, it burns my lips and tounge. I turn it down and it's better, but I've got to go a half volt or more lower to get the same results I get on the Prov. So yes, I honestly can tell the difference between the 37, or whatever the LT runs at, and the 800 on the Prov.
But no, it's not for everyone, it's not the "end all, beat all perfect device for all". It's a great, well built, solid mod that will stand up to abuse. Which makes it perfect for me.

 

[junkman]

So far this post is one of the few in this thread that really makes sense.

Except of course that I hear no difference between my Aga-t on a Vamo or legacy.

There was discussion earlier that it may depend on what atomizer you are using.

 

[junkman]

And there is nothing wrong with that and I respect your opinion. I, on the other hand, am tired of throwing things away! I think EGO's are some of the neatest creatures in the vaping world, but I wont be buying any more of them, they are disposable! They last until they die, throw it away and get a new one. After years of using cig-alikes, drop one, done, drain the battery too many times, done etc. Throw it away.
After getting a BB my world changed completely! No more throwing things away, other than a reasonably priced battery.
When I got back into vaping I read about the vv craze, but wasn't sure about it, I'd played with the 5-7v mods when stacked batteries where all the rage. But I liked the concept.
I happened on a Lava Tube for $40 OTD so I bought one. Now mind you, I'm VERY hard on things, there are many scars on my BB to attest to this! To me, the LT was JUNK! Pure and simple! It didn't even weigh as much as my BB! Then it was so big it was trying to drop out of my pocket and every time I dropped it I figured would be the last time I would use it! But I liked vv.
I came here and read, then read, then read some more. I almost didn't buy a Provari because of some of the issues many others here have with some of the posters. I was ready to get an Evic. Then I started seeing some of the problems with them, the software was all jacked up, locking up, one the screen just melted!
So I bought a Provari mini. It's the same size as my BB, a big plus, it's built like a tank, bigger plus, and it's backed by a company that is known to stand behind it and service it, huge plus! What do I do when, and I do mean "when", it breaks? I throw it in the trash!
I like that it can roll down the driveway, I like that I can drop it, I like it that I can use it around welders, and it still works!
I can't afford 12 Provari's, I couldn't even afford this one! I have a broken back, no disability and had to do a lot of things, cut and split firewood, do a head gasket on a Honda CRV etc., that angered my wife and Dr's very much! But it was worth it to me! Now I have to wonder what I'm going to have to do to come up with the money to buy a second one for a back up, but I will get a second one for a back up!
As for the origins on this thread, I can easily tell the difference between the Prov and LT, the same setting I get juice crackling and popping, it burns my lips and tounge. I turn it down and it's better, but I've got to go a half volt or more lower to get the same results I get on the Prov. So yes, I honestly can tell the difference between the 37, or whatever the LT runs at, and the 800 on the Prov.
But no, it's not for everyone, it's not the "end all, beat all perfect device for all". It's a great, well built, solid mod that will stand up to abuse. Which makes it perfect for me.

The provari is perfect for you. Because you are rough on things and don't want to buy multiple devices.

Regarding LT - is that one with the RMS setting? I don't have a LT but I understand that the original version had an inferior chip that didn't do the RMS, resulting in too hot of vape for the setting. The RMS setting corrects for that I believe.

Regarding Evic - well I watched the busardo review of that and didn't like the menu system and didn't see the value of the pc connect thing in it's present state. Also, it has a pretty low amp limit which is a negative. I am sure it will get better, but until there is something special about it other than the screen, I am not interested.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Except of course that I hear no difference between my Aga-t on a Vamo or legacy.

There was discussion earlier that it may depend on what atomizer you are using.

But this thread wasn't started to discuss the various merits and faults of atomizers. It was merely to showcase the difference between the Vamo/eVic/other Chinese VariVolt mod's 33.3 he chipset and the ProVari's Accuset chipset. A Genisis atty may very well help to overcome a Vamo's shortcomings in this regard, but the majority of vapors don't use gennys. I wish someone would do a soundbite of a CE2 or a Kanger M3 on a Vamo and on a Provari, just so people could hear the difference. It's quite audible.

 

[denali_41]

And let's not act like getting a Provari repaired is free after the warranty expires,

why s that ?? i got mine repaired for free after dropping 2 stories,and i am not the original buyer

Where do people keep pulling this $200 figure from? That isn't how much a ProVari costs. Not to mention you can sometimes find a used V1 for $100.


Again, with the wrong figures. a Version 1 to Version 2 upgrade will cost you about $65.

the upgrade is actually only 20 bucks,but not really needed either

 

[PLANofMAN]

the upgrade is actually only 20 bucks,but not really needed either

I noted that in an edit at the bottom of that post earlier today. I've only heard of one person paying the full $65 and that was a V1 to V2 upgrade and a switch from red to blue LED's, necessitating a replacement of the whole board.

 

[sawlight]

The provari is perfect for you. Because you are rough on things and don't want to buy multiple devices.

Regarding LT - is that one with the RMS setting? I don't have a LT but I understand that the original version had an inferior chip that didn't do the RMS, resulting in too hot of vape for the setting. The RMS setting corrects for that I believe.

Regarding Evic - well I watched the busardo review of that and didn't like the menu system and didn't see the value of the pc connect thing in it's present state. Also, it has a pretty low amp limit which is a negative. I am sure it will get better, but until there is something special about it other than the screen, I am not interested.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

The Vamo (I think) and the Zmax are the only ones that give the RMS and AVG settings, the LT is as basic as basic gets, on, up down for voltage and a fire button.

 

[lettucehead]

 

[denali_41]

The Vamo (I think) and the Zmax are the only ones that give the RMS and AVG settings, the LT is as basic as basic gets, on, up down for voltage and a fire button.

there was a version that had a resistance checker on it also. V2 i think ?? tap the power button fives times to get it

 

[sawlight]

there was a version that had a resistance checker on it also. V2 i think ?? tap the power button fives times to get it

Mine has the resistance on the main screen all the time it's on. There is a bar for battery charge, the voltage it's set at and the resistance of the atty. Push five times to turn it on, push five times, or take the battery out, to turn it off. I'm certain it's a clone of some sort.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Junkman, Im not saying 37hz isnt fine. Your mechanical mod is 0hz lol. I think more the lack of quality in vape with the Vamo is from the 6v difference in each pulse.. from wide open to completely off. The ProV at 37hz still wouldnt rattlesnake because it only drops 0.05volts from the peak. That makes the difference.

Nobody seems to be addressing this point, at all.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Nobody seems to be addressing this point, at all.

Sure they have. multiple times. The Vamo owners on one side saying that it makes no difference and doesn't justify the $100 difference in price between the Vamo and the ProV, and the ProV owners on the other side saying we can taste and hear the difference and it's worth the $100. Anything beyond that is just petty cussedness on both sides.

 

[Stephenst4470]

I have a couple of mechanicals with the kick installed, it is just mediocre for me honestly, I think the voltage regulator is fairly inefficient in it. They get pretty miserable battery life for an 18500 in my opinion. They are really consistant though while the battery lasts, the vape is pretty much the same all the way down to the last puff. The reason Pulse Width Modulation is used is because PWM, or switching regulators, have the ability to step up voltage over the DC signal provided. They are also very efficient, as Mean or RMS voltage is controlled by the duty cycle. No current is wasted as no power is expended during the off phase of the square wave. Linear regulation, which is what you were referring to (what would give you a "flat" regulated signal) is horribly inefficient and can only reduce input voltage. An op amp or transistor is required to amplify voltage, then it is regulated by dumping excess current by varying resistance. The current is converted to heat. This creates multiple problems obviously as the increased heat has to be accommodated, your mod would be a giant heat sink. Almost all modern voltage regulation is done through PWM. Linear regulation is pretty much only done in circuits that are subject to extreme RF interference these days.

 

[Stephenst4470]

Sorry, the above was in response to

Ok i'll chime in again. I got the vamo's, provair's, and a new Tesla, and a lava tube. I'll go for the 800 htz over the 37 htz anyday of the week.
For the facts I'll still defend the SB with a kick installed. Yep pain to adjust but I know my favorite wattage and that's all that counts to me. You want you electric into you house running at 37 htz or the normal 60 htz?
Just my but I like the constent flow of power. I don't understand why they have to do a PWM, in the first place. It's a DC current. Let it be adjusted for the direct current the battery provides. That goes for all the VV/VW mods. Just fire it and make it stay where it is. When the Battery dies then change it.

 

[Fury83]

I don't get why people even argue this crap from either side. I have some questions.

Does it hurt someone's feelings that x poster thinks a Vamo is better and the provari is a waste of money?

Does it hurt someone else's feelings that x poster thinks the Provari is our savior and the Vamo is crap?

If you answered yes, you need to go outside.

Also, this is crapping up the the Provari subforum. Why not make a PV battles subforum?

Then this can go in there and also the threads where people talk about other people talking bad about their favorite APV too.

 

[CountSmackula]

Amen. Maybe Classwife needs to close down this little schoolyard argument too.

I don't get why people even argue this crap from either side. I have some questions.

Does it hurt someone's feelings that x poster thinks a Vamo is better and the provari is a waste of money?

Does it hurt someone else's feelings that x poster thinks the Provari is our savior and the Vamo is crap?

If you answered yes, you need to go outside.

Also, this is crapping up the the Provari subforum. Why not make a PV battles subforum?

Then this can go in there and also the threads where people talk about other people talking bad about their favorite APV too.

 

[PLANofMAN]

I hope not. I still want to hear what information comes back from Kanthal corp. Let's just leave the playground until that info comes back. It needs to be in this thread in order to have a resolution. Nobody can offer anything more on the subject that hasn't already been said in 5 different ways.

 

[Fury83]

I hope not. I still want to hear what information comes back from Kanthal corp. Let's just leave the playground until that info comes back. It needs to be in this thread in order to have a resolution. Nobody can offer anything more on the subject that hasn't already been said in 5 different ways.

Right.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Nope.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................It's not really important that it's in this thread or this subforum.

They should call this new forum I suggest "The Playground"

 

[PLANofMAN]

Fury, half the time I like you, the other half you act like an curmudgeon.