I'd be complaining. My Vamo's work great. You got a defective unit.
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I'd be complaining. My Vamo's work great. You got a defective unit.
It's not my style to bash products. As you said,different stokes for different folks. I however don't appreciate getting bashed by the Provari fanboys simply because I don't like the product.
Um, the Provari is not mech mod it's a regulated voltage device.
Buy what you like, what works for you! If it's the Provari, then get it. It's a solid VV vaporizer, and worth the price. Worth more than the same money spent on smokes.
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I mentioned a while back that a Tesla would be a better choice over the Provari. I said "based on a Provari owners logic a Tesla is worth 3 times what you'd pay for it". So if a Provari costs £180 then that's ok and it's worth every penny. The debate shouldn't be "is a Provari worth what they charge ?" it should be "Is the Tesla underpriced ?".
I'd just like to point out both of these devices are variable voltage. So sooner or later, because of the wiring and circuitry, they will fail. In contrast a mech mod should last forever. So is a "variable voltage device" worth what provape charge ?. In that respect, NO, no it isn't !
Let me ask this, if Provape started making mech mods would they charge customers up for it because it is made by them and they now have a good reputation ?. Or Provape don't make mech mods because they know no one would pay the price they would want !. How could Provape make a mech mod that would be worth as much as a Provari ?.
Hmm, if it was as sweet as a Nemesis, I would definitely consider buying a provape mech mod, especially if they made a pro-kick too. Get Your ProMechi and ProKick it!! Yeah, it would sell, I am sure of it.
That would depend on the ohms of you coil and if you carto could wick well enough to handle 15 watts. I vape all my rba's at the highest that the Provari will put out. The max watts a Provari can provide is ~15.4 watts. So if I have a 1 ohm coil, the highest I can go is about 3.9 volts which would give me 15.21 watts across the coil. 4 volts and I'll get an E1 or E2 error, and have to drop it down because that would put me at 16 watts, which the Provari can't do, it is limited by it's 3.5 amp switch.
The main thing about a Provari is it's regulated voltage can't be beat. What you set is what you get, and since you can get a tad over 15 watts out of it, it is a device that will allow you to grow. I would probably not of learned as much as I have in the last few months about building rba's vaping at 15+ watts, and DIY juices if I hadn't bought a Provari.
That said, I recently bought a Nemesis 2 tone clone, and love it. I got the kick 2 for it and have it cranked up to 15 watts. Built my first .9 ohm coil so un kicked I can vape at 19.6 watts. So the mech and the kick, I am into it for ~$100. It's sexier than the Provari, my rba's all sit flush, since it has a adjustable center pin, and I can use any size battery in it.
I still use my Provari, and my mech. And I am glad I have both. Don't regret buying the Provari at all. Am liking the VW aspect of the kick 2 though, but still like the ease of changing the voltage on the Provari, don't need a mini screw driver to change it. Will I buy another Provari? Probably not, Will probably by another mech though, and a VTR too. May even one day buy a Rio, just so I can compare all three universes of Vape.
It's all good, no matter what one decides to go with. Every device, mod, mech, atty, has their strong points and short comings. That's why it's always a good idea to have a back up. Or maybe that's just another justification to try something else. lmao. no, no, it's back up. Ah, now I am buying the vtr, need back up, right??
Get what you want, you can never go wrong with quality purchases.
After reading this whole thread I will give my point of view:
Is the provari worth it? I don't know, I have only tried egos. I've heard wonders about the MVP, but still... I went straight ahead for the provari when I decided I wanted a mod. People told me to get cheaper mods so I could "test the waters" but I said no. I had money saved and I wanted the best. One thing I will tell you for sure: I used to spend my nights on this very forum reading reviews and searching for mods / etc. Now, after getting the Provari, I barely come here. It's just perfect for me. Now all the money I save for my vapping hobby goes to juices.
Is it expensive? Hell yeah.
Is it heavy? Yep. And I even use a waterproof / shockproof case that makes it even harder to carry around.
But I will also tell you that this was the best investment I've ever made. But, to each his own. I think people recommend the ProV because for most of them, that's where the search for the best mod ended. I read topics of people regretting spending money on various entry level mods instead of going straight away for the provari.
Funny thing is: I have him with me 24/7 and I even sleep with him (literally, I usually put it on the pillow next to me). Needless to say my girlfriend doesn't like it. She calls it: "dildo".
Is the provari worth it? I don't know, I have only tried egos. I've heard wonders about the MVP, but still... I went straight ahead for the provari when I decided I wanted a mod. People told me to get cheaper mods so I could "test the waters" but I said no. I had money saved and I wanted the best. One thing I will tell you for sure: I used to spend my nights on this very forum reading reviews and searching for mods / etc. Now, after getting the Provari, I barely come here. It's just perfect for me. Now all the money I save for my vapping hobby goes to juices.
Is it expensive? Hell yeah.
Is it heavy? Yep. And I even use a waterproof / shockproof case that makes it even harder to carry around.
But I will also tell you that this was the best investment I've ever made. But, to each his own. I think people recommend the ProV because for most of them, that's where the search for the best mod ended. I read topics of people regretting spending money on various entry level mods instead of going straight away for the provari.
Funny thing is: I have him with me 24/7 and I even sleep with him (literally, I usually put it on the pillow next to me). Needless to say my girlfriend doesn't like it. She calls it: "dildo".
LOL. Looks like my cat except for the eyes and mouth, he's definitely a keeper, my cat that is
White with blue eyes and pink parts. 
Variable wattage allows for cruise control, essentially. No adjustments needed when switching tanks/clearos/attys. Once you learn your sweet spot, set it and forget it. It's just a convenience thing
and only my opinion.I bet Provape could make the best damn variable wattage mod on the market. As I said in my first comment (that you mentioned), I'm hoping they'll come out with one, and then I'll buy it.
I'm not anti-Provari by any means. I was raised by a machinist right here in the US, and grew up working in the family machine shop. I understand quality manufacturing and all that goes into it. I think Provape does a great thing for the vaping community. I guess my point was more toward people dissing China and spitting the word Chinese out like venom. There are machinists in China just like there are in the US. You can get GREAT products from China.
I suppose my mind always tends toward the geopolitics of the issue, rather than the devices themselves. If I derailed the thread with that, I apologize
As others have said, it really comes down to what any user can afford, and what works to keep them off analogs. That's the underlying point of all of this, right?
Let's see now, here where I live the price of a Provari is equal to the price of three cartons of cigarettes. I smoked about one carton a week. So yup, a Provari is very expensive. The price of cigarettes was after all one of the main reasons I quit smoking. However my Provari has now lasted me seventeen months, and still looks & works like new, instead of going up in smoke in three weeks with nothing left to show for it. Seventeen months worth of cigarettes could easily have bought over a dozen Provaris. So I guess "expensive" is simply a matter of prospective.
Of course 'expensive' in this case is relative to the rest of the market. My wife remarks all the time about how much I spend on vaping, and I gently remind her that we spent $400 a month on cigarettes. If I spend $185 on a mech mod every couple of months, we're still coming out waaaaay ahead
Of course 'expensive' in this case is relative to the rest of the market. My wife remarks all the time about how much I spend on vaping, and I gently remind her that we spent $400 a month on cigarettes. If I spend $185 on a mech mod every couple of months, we're still coming out waaaaay ahead
I think the expense also hits people differently. Psychologically, it's different to spend $200 all at once than to spend $6 a day, or to spend $50 a week. That probably plays into why people see Provaris as being so expensive. All things considered, they're a very good value. Folks just need to overcome that mental barrier of spending $200 in one shot.
Previously owned a Provari that was gifted to me by friends/ converts. Loaned it out to friends that wanted to test the VV waters. I was VERY impressed with the quality but ending up selling because after a few months of vaping I knew how much I wanted to spend overall and also wanted several diff types of PVs. As testament to the quality of the Provari I sold it for close to what it cost.
Doesn't matter to me what anyone's vaping on as long as they're not smoking.
First PV 2 yrs ago was a Mech Mod made in Great Britain...still looks like new and fires as well as the day I bought it- one minor repair that cost me $10.00.
Everything nowadays is designed along the lines of "disposable". Took an appliance repair course yrs ago cuz I enjoy fixing things. When we got to the course in microwaves the instructor picked up a microwave, told us it was broken and tossed it in the garbage- not worth repairing Had a 32" Panny TV- took it in for an estimate and was told the bill would be $323...bought a new one for $325
Doesn't matter to me what anyone's vaping on as long as they're not smoking.
First PV 2 yrs ago was a Mech Mod made in Great Britain...still looks like new and fires as well as the day I bought it- one minor repair that cost me $10.00.
Everything nowadays is designed along the lines of "disposable". Took an appliance repair course yrs ago cuz I enjoy fixing things. When we got to the course in microwaves the instructor picked up a microwave, told us it was broken and tossed it in the garbage- not worth repairing
Had a 32" Panny TV- took it in for an estimate and was told the bill would be $323...bought a new one for $325 
I know I'm like 200 posts late to reply, but ^^^^ are you serious?
Quality aside, (which again, are you serious?) the conditions under which the products are made, are only supported when we buy that crap.
If China builds stuff the exact same way, why don't you get a job in China? Should be just as good as the job you have now right? Should be the exact same.
This is the most ridiculous statement made in this entire thread, at least if we are only comparing mod manufacturers.
Have you even held a Provari in one hand and ANY Chineses mod in the other and compared the build quality? Have you ever used a Provari? Have you ever seen a Provari? If you haven't, you can not make statements comparing a Provari and a Chinese-made mod.
Too many people make assumptions based on things that they have read from opinions on the internet, and not from first hand experience. Then they make statements like above. Yes, it's only an opinion. And that is why I know that I can now always dismiss yours.
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We were talking about quality. The working conditions aren't relevant to the conversation of quality goods. For me personally, I choose not to purchase Apple products or shop at WalMart. The working conditions in many Chinese factories are terrible. This is not true of all Chinese factories, but many.
I was speaking directly to the quality of machining, which in many cases is exactly the same as in America. Some of the best machinists I've ever worked with were Chinese, using skills they brought from their home country. To denigrate the abilities of SOME Chinese machinists because of poor working conditions is silly.
Again, I was only speaking to the quality of some manufacturing in China. Not all, just some. And not at all about the working conditions.
I think we're on the same page... I don't buy clones, I buy American when and where I can, I thoroughly research companies that I spend big money with
I was just trying to point out, as a former machinist, that good stuff comes from China... sometimes.Oh, and YAY AREA! (i grew up in the East Bay and go back often.)
Please see my reply at #178. I was speaking about manufacturing. I have used a Provari many times. I've held a Provari many times. I do not own one, and came to the decision to not purchase one by using them on more than one occasion.
I see a lot of reactionary statements on the internet about China, specifically in these discussions. Folks are very 'Buy American!' sometimes, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just not always correct. To suggest that China doesn't use the same machines, the same techniques, or have access to the same materials is just silly. America doesn't have the manufacturing market cornered anymore.
Now, I was speaking in general terms, as I explain @#178. Provaris are very well made. Provape provides Americans with jobs and pays American taxes, which is very valuable. I never once, in any of my comments on this thread, knocked Provaris or Provape. I simply tried to point out that assuming a product is inferior just because it comes from China is not always a smart bet.
I would hope you don't dismiss my opinions out of hand. I've enjoyed reading your comments for many months
You've given valuable advice and experience that I've taken to heart and has influenced me in my own vaping journey.At any rate - vape on!
Previously owned a Provari that was gifted to me by friends/ converts. Loaned it out to friends that wanted to test the VV waters. I was VERY impressed with the quality but ending up selling because after a few months of vaping I knew how much I wanted to spend overall and also wanted several diff types of PVs. As testament to the quality of the Provari I sold it for close to what it cost.
Doesn't matter to me what anyone's vaping on as long as they're not smoking.
First PV 2 yrs ago was a Mech Mod made in Great Britain...still looks like new and fires as well as the day I bought it- one minor repair that cost me $10.00.
Everything nowadays is designed along the lines of "disposable". Took an appliance repair course yrs ago cuz I enjoy fixing things. When we got to the course in microwaves the instructor picked up a microwave, told us it was broken and tossed it in the garbage- not worth repairing
What did the person who gifted to you think when they found out you sold it ?.
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