Provari...why do people get uptight?

[Vapoor eyes er]

What did the person who gifted to you think when they found out you sold it ?.

LOLLLLLLL Evan you sly ole dog. Actually I asked them beforehand- it was the nice thing to do seeing as they were friends. I had long ago gifted/ converted them with 3 Kgo Starter Kits (on sale @ $20 each) and also gave them a whack of juice. One of them said to me I was free to do as I chose cuz the gift of converting them was priceless. Planning on giving them MVP 2 and sigelei Zmax V3 this Christmas so really no savings to me BUT they'll be tickled pink.

 

[cromagnon]

All this seems a lot like religion to me [shuffles off to find a more positive thread...].

 

[evan le'garde]

This is the most ridiculous statement made in this entire thread, at least if we are only comparing mod manufacturers.

Have you even held a Provari in one hand and ANY Chineses mod in the other and compared the build quality? Have you ever used a Provari? Have you ever seen a Provari? If you haven't, you can not make statements comparing a Provari and a Chinese-made mod.

Too many people make assumptions based on things that they have read from opinions on the internet, and not from first hand experience. Then they make statements like above. Yes, it's only an opinion. And that is why I know that I can now always dismiss yours.

It's where lots of people do their research isn't it. What comments are people supposed to take seriously when researching ?. I think, right now, there are hundreds of people here on this forum researching this and that. They'll have to reach a conclusion/assumption in the end right ?. So there's going to be various advice and criticism of all kinds about anything. I don't think it's wrong for people to assume anything based on what they've read in ecf because that's why they come here. If they're wrong then obviously someone gave them iffy advice/information. So how could it be the readers fault ?. And it's hardly their own opinion if they read it in ecf is it.

HUH !

 

[evan le'garde]

LOLLLLLLL Evan you sly ole dog. Actually I asked them beforehand- it was the nice thing to do seeing as they were friends. I had long ago gifted/ converted them with 3 Kgo Starter Kits (on sale @ $20 each) and also gave them a whack of juice. One of them said to me I was free to do as I chose cuz the gift of converting them was priceless. Planning on giving them MVP 2 and Sigelei Zmax V3 this Christmas so really no savings to me BUT they'll be tickled pink.

Well that's thoughtful.

 

[Hill]

Just jumping in, excuse me for not reading all the posts yet.

Certainly people are entitled to their opinion about a product. What annoys me are members who start threads asking why people like ProVaris and when the owners respond, we are told that we are saying it's good only to justify spending too much money. If someone gets one and it turns out not to be quite what they wanted, no problem. But if they don't have one, I resent being told I'm a status-seeker or fell for hype. It's not my only mod. Do you ever see ProVari owners start threads asking what's so great about XXX and then putting down owners who post why they are happy? I don't pass judgement on what other people vape, why do they feel the need to pass judgement over one of my mod choices.

And on the same topic - it seems to be a right of passage or something for some members to go on threads in the ProVari sub-forum just to state they will never get a ProVari and proceed to post everything they don't like about it. Why? Don't they have anything better to do?

AHH There she is. I was just thinking to myself wheres The Ocelot she is usually in on these things I scroll down a little more and she pops up (like an ocelot lol)

Good morning Princess Ocelot!

 

[MrStik]

It is all a pissing contest.

Although I do not own a provari, I know a few people that do own them. I have vaped off all of them on numerous occasions when I was in the market of getting away from the Egos. I tried the Zmax, Provaris, and an eVic. I did not notice anything different when I vaped on all 3. Setting them to the same voltage, and vaping off the same carto-tank. No difference. I ended up with an eVic because I did not see anything special that warranted the additional cost of getting a Provari.

And of course the moment I state that, I would get a lot of response from provari owners trying to tell me I am wrong and trying to justify getting a provari instead. Stating that American built equals Quality. That is (in my opinion) not a selling point to me that justifies a such a price hike. What justifies a 60-100 increase in price over its foreign competitors? Just because it is built in America does not automatically make it better, and if it does make it better, can the "built better" justify that mark up. To me.. no.

 

[Ryedan]

Please see my reply at #178. I was speaking about manufacturing. I have used a Provari many times. I've held a Provari many times. I do not own one, and came to the decision to not purchase one by using them on more than one occasion.

I see a lot of reactionary statements on the internet about China, specifically in these discussions. Folks are very 'Buy American!' sometimes, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just not always correct. To suggest that China doesn't use the same machines, the same techniques, or have access to the same materials is just silly. America doesn't have the manufacturing market cornered anymore.

My background is in plastic mold making, tool design and plastic molding production. I had the opportunity to visit China and Taiwan to asses machine shops we were evaluating to decide who to purchase plastic molds from. This was in 2005. Chinese suppliers all have the machines and the software they need to do very good work and I also found some very good mold designers and mold makers there, but they were the minority by a big margin. Steel available there was not up to NA and European standards and neither was heat treatment, both very important for industrial tooling quality. There was a big difference between the best and the worst suppliers I found, but even the best tool shops were not up to our standards in materials, design knowledge and QA.

These things reduced the value of the tooling we bought from them. Yes, we paid less upfront for it but we ended up having to fix/modify a bunch of things in our mold-making shop to get us into production and the tooling was still not what we ordered from them. The shops in Taiwan were better, but of course they cost more too.

IMO this is a pretty good picture of manufacturing in China. Luckily for us in NA and in Europe, we still have the technological edge in places that allow us to be competitive where we still are. Hopefully that doesn't go away any time soon

 

[Caridwen]

It is all a pissing contest.


And of course the moment I state that, I would get a lot of response from provari owners trying to tell me I am wrong and trying to justify getting a provari instead. Stating that American built equals Quality. That is (in my opinion) not a selling point to me that justifies a such a price hike. What justifies a 60-100 increase in price over its foreign competitors? Just because it is built in America does not automatically make it better, and if it does make it better, can the "built better" justify that mark up. To me.. no.

People do have a right to purchase from whom they want where they want without having to defend themselves. If that means buying only from the US, UK, Greece, Germany-that's their right. I often see people being put on the defensive for their opinion. If someone states they want to buy PV made in the US or UK, they are met with a lot of criticism. Same goes for organic. People should be able to ask where they can buy organic items without a bunch of snarky comments. They're paying for it.

Change of topic but people have different shopping styles that extends to shopping for pv's. Some people are the type that want to buy once, and not think about it again - they go for higher end off the bat.

Some take baby steps or would prefer 4 inexpensive pvs to one high priced pv. Some people like one expensive sweater rather than several less expensive ones. Same thing.

 

[Hoosier]

...And of course the moment I state that, I would get a lot of response from provari owners trying to tell me I am wrong and trying to justify getting a provari instead...

Maybe I'm an odd one, but I don't think you're wrong. You found what works for you.

I have one of the early ProVari's. Vaping with it now. It's been a great value to me for...what?...about 2 years or so? Getting older and I've never been good with dates anyway. I'm getting ready to throw $20 at it and get it upgraded to the v2 this month and maybe it will take me another couple of years of vaping? I find it be worth every penny I paid for it.

I would never assume that it would have the same value to anyone else.

My sister has been vaping for about 3 years and uses eGo's and is happy.
My oldest son has been vaping for more than 3 years and uses a Zmax and is happy.

They're vaping and happy, so they've found what works for them. That's all that counts.

 

[Fulgurant]

It is all a pissing contest.

Although I do not own a provari, I know a few people that do own them. I have vaped off all of them on numerous occasions when I was in the market of getting away from the Egos. I tried the Zmax, Provaris, and an eVic. I did not notice anything different when I vaped on all 3. Setting them to the same voltage, and vaping off the same carto-tank. No difference. I ended up with an eVic because I did not see anything special that warranted the additional cost of getting a Provari.

And of course the moment I state that, I would get a lot of response from provari owners trying to tell me I am wrong and trying to justify getting a provari instead. Stating that American built equals Quality. That is (in my opinion) not a selling point to me that justifies a such a price hike. What justifies a 60-100 increase in price over its foreign competitors? Just because it is built in America does not automatically make it better, and if it does make it better, can the "built better" justify that mark up. To me.. no.

That's a fair assessment on the whole. What works for you is what's best. Vaping is ultimately subjective.

Personally, I don't own a Provari either, and I'm not (yet) in the market for one -- but it is worth noting that the Provari does have objectively measurable advantages with regard to voltage accuracy and stability. Those advantages may not be important or even noticeable to a given vaper (like you), but they do exist. The numbers don't lie.

So when someone says that he perceives a difference in vape quality when he uses a Provari, he isn't just blowing smoke (no pun intended, natch). Your usage preferences don't match his and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that he's spewing pure marketing hype.

For my own part, I probably will eventually buy a Provari if only because the future of the vaping market is uncertain, and a Provari is one of a very few items sturdy enough to qualify as must-haves on the planning-for-Armageddon checklist. What's kept me from buying a Provari thus far has nothing to do with its performance or its cost; it has everything to do with qualitative issues like the Provari's shape and size.

We are only talking about ~$170 here, people. A purchase like that doesn't constitute a betrayal of the proletariat, and a refusal to make a purchase of that size doesn't make you a champion of consumer rights. For a bit of albeit biased perspective, I used to smoke $170 in cigarettes in about a week and a half, and I'm sure most of us have laid out that much money on juices that ultimately proved distasteful. Thanks in part to its longevity, the Provari appeals to vapers covering the entire spectrum, from frugal DIYer to ultra-extravagant collector.

 

[tj99959]

I think it would be a lot more fun to argue about health insurance ........ NOT

I consider my Provari a "good product", but I also think my Reo and Silver Bullet are good products. So lets just add the Provari to the list of good products, and let it go at that.

 

[AngiBe]

It is all a pissing contest.

Although I do not own a provari, I know a few people that do own them. I have vaped off all of them on numerous occasions when I was in the market of getting away from the Egos. I tried the Zmax, Provaris, and an eVic. I did not notice anything different when I vaped on all 3. Setting them to the same voltage, and vaping off the same carto-tank. No difference. I ended up with an eVic because I did not see anything special that warranted the additional cost of getting a Provari.

And of course the moment I state that, I would get a lot of response from provari owners trying to tell me I am wrong and trying to justify getting a provari instead. Stating that American built equals Quality. That is (in my opinion) not a selling point to me that justifies a such a price hike. What justifies a 60-100 increase in price over its foreign competitors? Just because it is built in America does not automatically make it better, and if it does make it better, can the "built better" justify that mark up. To me.. no.

I'm a ProVari owner and just wanted to say congrats on finding something that works for you. Cheers

 

[dracu]

I think it would be a lot more fun to argue about health insurance ........ NOT

I consider my Provari a "good product", but I also think my Reo and Silver Bullet are good products. So lets just add the Provari to the list of good products, and let it go at that.

I rather talk about this...this is way more fun than health insurance. I am tired of hearing about the new mod or new carto. I want to read something that has more to do with how people feel about their vaping experience with a certain product. This thread is working as far as I am concerned...I received all the information needed to make up my mind.

The mere fact that so many people are responding tells me that the PROVARI is what I need to get.

 

[madqatter]

The working conditions aren't relevant to the conversation of quality goods.

I have found, however, that many Provari owners cite relative working conditions (and similar issues, such as American employment) among their reasons for going with ProVape. In that sense, it is relevant.

 

[Baditude]

I have found, however, that many Provari owners cite relative working conditions (and similar issues, such as American employment) among their reasons for going with ProVape. In that sense, it is relevant.

The Provape Team Interview by Spinfuel Magazine

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/289525-provari-made-usa.html

 

[Ryedan]

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[Caridwen]

I rather talk about this...this is way more fun than health insurance. I am tired of hearing about the new mod or new carto. I want to read something that has more to do with how people feel about their vaping experience with a certain product. This thread is working as far as I am concerned...I received all the information needed to make up my mind.

The mere fact that so many people are responding tells me that the PROVARI is what I need to get.

Want and need are two different things. I quit smoking with an ego and a box of cartos.

 

[The Ocelot]

The juice "tasting nasty" is more the result of burning the e-liquid with too much heat, regardless of what battery device is providing the current. It doesn't matter if its a Vamo, ZMax, a Tesla, a Provari, or a Semovar. If you are cooking the juice too hot, its going to taste nasty.

If I am not mistaken, the Provari has a 3.5 amp limit, as do most of the regulated mods out on the market presently. There may be a couple that can push more but I don't know which they are. More that can't do 3.5 amps.

A 1.5 ohm coil fired at 5.2v is 3.4666 amp. Theoretically the Provari will fire that carto up to 5.2v, but I've never felt the need to use such a low resistance coil at that voltage setting so I've never tried it. Good luck finding a mod that will fire one at 6v.

Just curious, what battery device are you using now with the 1.5 ohm dual coil? At what voltage?


The Safe Vaping Power Chart is a useful guideline for those using single coil cartomizers. Using a 1.5 ohm single coil above 3.4v will be in the red zone. Even factoring that a 1.5 ohm dual coil carto is two 3.0 ohm coils working together, anything over 5v is in the red zone.

I can't stress enough that the chart is just a starting point, from which you fine tune up or down until it tastes good to you. People sometimes skim over that part and start threads asking why their juice taste burnt when they are vaping where the chart says they should be.

I'm am currently happily vaping in the red zone with one of my devices, in rotation with one set on the low side of green. Additionally, according to some theories I should be able to set a device at the watts I like and forget it. That doesn't happen on my planet. The juice I'm vaping at almost 10 watts will burn in another device I use if set over 7.5 watts.

 

[The Ocelot]

I just purchased a VAMO yesterday and I am not impressed at all. I have been using two configurations and there is no consistency with this mode. I click it 5 times and it does not go on. I have to do it twice. Then I hit the power button and sometimes it does not fire.

I do not care if it was 10 dollars. I got better reliability with a kgo. I find that based on what I am reading thus far about the provari, 200 dollars is cheap if it performs the way people are saying it does. Another point well taken. Also yesterday the 18350 did not even power up after it was fully charged for quite sometime. It is working now but the consistency sucks.

Also, I sent an e-mail to the vendor about the 18350 and got no response. The vendor was tropical vaper whoever they are. ".......n the pusher man''

Actually, my Vamo turns on with 6 clicks, some of them are like that. One of the things I don't care for with the Vamo buttons is that they are too close to the firing button and I often press them both by mistake, then when I go to take a drag, the watts have doubled. Mine are also very easy to press. I often set my mods in my lap when I'm typing, but I can't do that with the Vamo. On more then one occasion, just the weight of the Vamo itself leaning against the armrest has pressed the adjust buttons.

 

[The Ocelot]

It's not my style to bash products. As you said,different stokes for different folks. I however don't appreciate getting bashed by the Provari fanboys simply because I don't like the product.

Sadly, despite all of the features, a ProVari doesn't automatically instill manners in it's owner.