I'm a little preoccupied with Death these daze. It's cool. A while ago, I told Jackie, 100 years from now, no one will ever know we ever existed. The best we can hope for is someone will walk past our grave, read the tombstone and utter our name.
The ZNA, maybe? That was a revolutionary mod in many ways. The SX Mini was just one of the many things that followed down its path.
I bought many of the offspring, but never the original. I didn't like how the 18650 version looked "incomplete".
Ah, my good Geezer. I think you actually do know, but just aren't thinking along the lines right now.
There have been a fair number of P3 capped Provis that have required repair, due to the redesign of the original (stable & sturdy) slanted/beveled/fixed top caps.
Something about a wire that gets pulled easily, I believe? Ringing bells?
Bottom line is that the attempt to add stability ironically created a cap that was less stable than the original, in the largest sense.
Put it this way, if I ever ran across someone wanting to trade their old beveled tops for some "sturdier" P3 ones, I'd jump at it.
If I could turn back time...
(Earworm!)
Where's that lightbulb emoji when I need one?!!
And yes, now I see. I was thinking in terms of the metal connection and didn't consider what was used to make the electrical connection. And yes, you speak the truth. The mounting of the 510 on the mod was not fixed and overrotation was indeed possible.
But I'd argue that the P3 connection itself as idealized by Zen was indeed a better way. That the actual electrical component on the mod itself could have used a bit more thought is what created the problem, not the specifications of the P3. There was no reason the thing couldn't have been designed the same as a normal layout but just with a larger thread and contact area. Sometimes rocket scientists forget they're not working on spacecraft all the time.
Zen was aghast at how the dimensions of the 510 came about in the first place, and after I heard the story I was too.
I have walked cemeteries from the early days of our country, and read the inscriptions on the stones...time erases much, but there is also nothing new under the sun. We are born, we live, and we die...all things in due time...and the circle goes round and round...add another generation. Our time on this blue marble is finite, the only thing we can hope to go forward from hence is our thoughts and philosophies...may we speak with wisdom.
Si, senor, but idealism dosen't always transfer well into application. In this case they tried to fix that which was not broken, and the better mousetrap turned out to be a downgrade.Where's that lightbulb emoji when I need one?!!
And yes, now I see. I was thinking in terms of the metal connection and didn't consider what was used to make the electrical connection. And yes, you speak the truth. The mounting of the 510 on the mod was not fixed and overrotation was indeed possible.
But I'd argue that the P3 connection itself as idealized by Zen was indeed a better way. That the actual electrical component on the mod itself could have used a bit more thought is what created the problem, not the specifications of the P3. There was no reason the thing couldn't have been designed the same as a normal layout but just with a larger thread and contact area. Sometimes rocket scientists forget they're not working on spacecraft all the time.
Zen was aghast at how the dimensions of the 510 came about in the first place, and after I heard the story I was too.
Sometimes it's best to simply let that which works keep on working. Could it be done better? Absolutely. Does it NEED to done better? Well, no, not really.
You have to admit that there was some level of obsession going on with the 510s, as the P3 was not an isolated case.
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If reincarnation is a thing, I'm going to have to figure out a way to do something more freaking PERMANENT.
It's like this level on Manic Miner (bonus points if you know that game!) that you just can't get past, for whatever freaking moral reason.
And your older brother can beat the whole game and you are like ,"He's a giant "censored."
He probably had connections. Better communication skills with the overlords who bought the game to begin with. Something
it's just all not fair. But, yea reincarnation NOT DOING IT. OMG.
I especially hate that reincarnation theory where you and your loved ones get reincarnated in different "roles' like one time you are the sibling the next the spouse. I always wind up thinking "WTH is this a game of 52 card PICKUP HERE?" and also "GROOOOOOOOSSSSS."
But eh, I should not type of religion this late.
But reincarnation I am not DOING it. I will find a way.
Anna
It's like this level on Manic Miner (bonus points if you know that game!) that you just can't get past, for whatever freaking moral reason.
And your older brother can beat the whole game and you are like ,"He's a giant "censored."
He probably had connections. Better communication skills with the overlords who bought the game to begin with. Something
it's just all not fair. But, yea reincarnation NOT DOING IT. OMG.
I especially hate that reincarnation theory where you and your loved ones get reincarnated in different "roles' like one time you are the sibling the next the spouse. I always wind up thinking "WTH is this a game of 52 card PICKUP HERE?" and also "GROOOOOOOOSSSSS."
But eh, I should not type of religion this late.
But reincarnation I am not DOING it. I will find a way.
Anna
I've never heard that story, tell me, I could do with being ghasted this morning, it might waken me up.
Oh yeah!!! Wasn't that the Sidewinder (or something like that)? Unreg'd. 18350?
He certainly was/is an innovator, and started many "trends".
This all comes from Zen, so if there are any errors in fact it's on him. But I used to follow the man pretty closely (not, not stalkerish, just interested
) and he seems to be the type who always wants to know WHY and then does the research to find out.Back when the 510 was created, most everything was a cigalike. The only box mods to speak of were made from pre-existing electronic boxes modified to be usable - and they were being made by individuals in their basement shops or garages. Throw in the fact that also at that time, there wasn't much of a hobby aspect to vaping as it was all about quitting cigarettes.
So most of the market was cigarette-sized and shaped gear. It's a form that smokers were accustomed to and were comfortable with.
The dimensions of the 510 were set because that's what would fit on something the size of a cigarette. No one with electrical or engineering knowledge designed the thing. And back then, when we were all only using 5 watts or less of power it worked OK.
The next part is hazy since I don't remember the exact numbers. But when people DID do the math for what was needed to efficiently transfer 20 or 30 watts they found there just wasn't enough connection conductivity to do that at a high level of efficiency.
And thus the P3. Pro Vape's engineers understood the issue but were put into an unwinnable situation. Tooling, production costs, and inventory for sellling two variations of the same mods would be expensive. And they couldn't just move to P3 exclusively since the atomizer makers would have to follow along. Even though Pro Vape offered the plans for free to anyone, few companies wanted to change their production which was already making millions of pieces.
So they tried to make a mod easily convertable between the standard 510 and the electrically better/physically stronger P3. It was a clever solution with the adaptor nut and lock ring, but as DPL pointed out they didn't get the 510 post exactly right.
And this reply was probably at least 5 times longer than it needed to be, but hey, it's a Sunday. What else do you have to do on a day of rest?
My post is not as informative as the one above.
However, I have figured out why I hate coffee lids. It makes it hard to GULP your coffee. That's my preferred method.
DAMNIT. There is a fire alarm needing a battery. We have high ceilings and I have no ladder.
MacGyver time! But not YET OMG.
Anna
However, I have figured out why I hate coffee lids. It makes it hard to GULP your coffee. That's my preferred method.
DAMNIT. There is a fire alarm needing a battery. We have high ceilings and I have no ladder.
MacGyver time! But not YET OMG.
Anna
This all comes from Zen, so if there are any errors in fact it's on him. But I used to follow the man pretty closely (not, not stalkerish, just interested
Back when the 510 was created, most everything was a cigalike. The only box mods to speak of were made from pre-existing electronic boxes modified to be usable - and they were being made by individuals in their basement shops or garages. Throw in the fact that also at that time, there wasn't much of a hobby aspect to vaping as it was all about quitting cigarettes.
So most of the market was cigarette-sized and shaped gear. It's a form that smokers were accustomed to and were comfortable with.
The dimensions of the 510 were set because that's what would fit on something the size of a cigarette. No one with electrical or engineering knowledge designed the thing. And back then, when we were all only using 5 watts or less of power it worked OK.
The next part is hazy since I don't remember the exact numbers. But when people DID do the math for what was needed to efficiently transfer 20 or 30 watts they found there just wasn't enough connection conductivity to do that at a high level of efficiency.
And thus the P3. Pro Vape's engineers understood the issue but were put into an unwinnable situation. Tooling, production costs, and inventory for sellling two variations of the same mods would be expensive. And they couldn't just move to P3 exclusively since the atomizer makers would have to follow along. Even though Pro Vape offered the plans for free to anyone, few companies wanted to change their production which was already making millions of pieces.
So they tried to make a mod easily convertable between the standard 510 and the electrically better/physically stronger P3. It was a clever solution with the adaptor nut and lock ring, but as DPL pointed out they didn't get the 510 post exactly right.
And this reply was probably at least 5 times longer than it needed to be, but hey, it's a Sunday. What else do you have to do on a day of rest?
Thanks, GG. It definitely sounds like a Zen spun yard (with much truth).
Interesting that those same 510s are on mods pushing much higher than the 20/30 level (which was probably the top at the time he said it). He also left out KR808, KR808D, the GoGo proprietary connection, and his very own (Z2 or something)?
My issue was (and I guess still is) that by the time ProVape ventured into the area of connectors (with a nudge from Zen), the horse was already glue. Many of us had all these mods, and I know that I certainly had no intention of buying an atty that I'd have to marry to a specific mod. I never did the hybrid thing, and I like versatility.
I'm telling you; either the 510 connector ran off with his girl, or it kicked him in the nuts, or SOMETHING...
Getting serious for a second, I've always figured that a couple/few broke off on him, and it frustrated him to a point of semi-obsession. I've been guilty of the same myself, many times (We are VAPERS!), but I like to have a little fun when I can with things like this.
I loved the GoGo connector, just for the record. Pity that it died on the vine.
Sunday, fun day!
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I was thinking more like a broom handle. But I'm good with a 9mm too.9mm to the rescue!
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