I think more important than the topic of public vaping is..
How are all these TERRIBLE writers becoming journalists?
How are all these TERRIBLE writers becoming journalists?
Public Vapeing
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I generally don't vape indoors when there are others around. But If I'm outdoors in public I vape. And if I'm in a bar, I'll ask the bartender if it's ok to vape. If he or she says it's ok I'll vape. In a bar or a club, it's a good conversational piece that always gets people talking to me, and nobody seems to mind.
it all started when ABC,CBS and, NBC got rid of there independent news divisions and required them to pay their freight.
pay for themselves and make the company money. in other words sell advertisement.
since then we have had the advent of the interwebs along with the decline of your local news papers.
the whole news market is a lot smaller and more consolidated having fewer employee's.
so now if one wants to go to work at one of the established news agencies one has to report
what they are told to report with the slant its to be reported as.
take this Ebola story.should we be concerned? yes. should it be getting the coverage its getting? no.
i am not saying don't report it but,when one considers perhaps 3-4 thousand people may die as
the result of Ebola when you factor in the total populations of the countries involved it amounts
to a very small fraction of a percent of the total population. more people die in the USA of the
flu as a percentage of the population then will die of Ebola over there.
this however is the type of story today's journalists get to go hog wild on as it doesn't upset
their sponsors.
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mike
Anytime an article states it originally appeared on xojane, I expect more snark than content, and a whole lot of "this is right because it's the way I feel about things, so it must be right!" But with so real substance behind the claims.
One thing I don't get on this thread from the counter position of vaping indoors with respect is that people say it is not okay to blow vapor in people's faces in public indoor places. I wonder, is it okay to blow vapor in people's faces outdoors? I mean, if you are going to vape outdoors and there are people anywhere within say 5 feet of you, with no wind, or within 30 feet of you with wind, is it okay to vape in that situation? If yes, then you are saying (by your own logic) that it is okay to blow vapor in people's faces. If you say no, then you are at least being consistent, but then we need to update things that says vaping really anywhere, in public, is potentially horrible, regardless if it is indoors or outdoors. And could arguably include own house and for sure own automobile. If non-vaper is in your car with you, is it okay to blow vapor into the non-vapor's face? If yes, because it's your car, then again, you would be saying that it is okay to blow vapor in people's faces, when you want to do it, and when you feel entitled to do so.
From a certain perspective that routinely seems raised in these type of threads, there is arguably no place on the planet where it is okay to vape. But, let's not refer to that position for what it is, an ANTZ stance.
From a certain perspective that routinely seems raised in these type of threads, there is arguably no place on the planet where it is okay to vape. But, let's not refer to that position for what it is, an ANTZ stance.
We weren't permitted to smoke indoors and someone how managed our habit. It's beyond me why we can't manage to do the same.
Personally I feel if you can't make it long enough to step outside for your nicotine fix you have much larger problems.
Personally I feel if you can't make it long enough to step outside for your nicotine fix you have much larger problems.
This, to me, is vaping indoors with respect. It is a bit subjective to make the determination that you did, and that I agree with. Also respectful would be to ask, "do you mind me sitting here vaping?" Also respectful would be to not say anything, and move say 8 feet away and continue to vape, as it was already told to you that it is okay to vape in the location.
Would love to do my challenge that I mentioned before with your wife. She chooses the room, and I choose the flavor. I believe she would not know when or if I was vaping.
When on campus and outdoors (in public places with other people), I try and "ghost" my hits a bit more to avoid blowing clouds in people's faces. I'm an all-day-RDA guy, and I love seeing my clouds, but some other people don't, and it might even raise concern.
One time in a parking lot, after vaping out my car to a pretty ridiculous extent, someone yelled "Oh ....! Your CAR IS ON FIRE!" which I imagine raised a bit of panic among the other folks in the lot. After I yelled back "Nah, it's just vapor!" the guy chuckled and the other few people who noticed the situation just shrugged and went back to whatever they were doing.
We weren't permitted to smoke indoors and someone how managed our habit. It's beyond me why we can't manage to do the same.
Personally I feel if you can't make it long enough to step outside for your nicotine fix you have much larger problems.
If you can't enter into reasonable discussion on this topic, then it is beyond me why you would post on a vaping forum such rhetoric. Perhaps, this is a sign of the larger problems of which you speak.
Also, just want to add in this thread that yesterday I was in a health facility (or large clinic). Didn't vape in any common areas where people were present. But did vape about 4 times while in the building, twice on an elevator, and around 99% certain no one had faintest clue that I was vaping. I continue to find that clinics and hospitals are one of the better indoor places for vaping, with respect.
I've already stated my stance on "public vaping" but... my wife is a smoker and has never smoked in our house. I vape inside and outside our home. My wife doesn't mind me vaping inside. She's never complained about me stinking a room up. BUT... if I blow a cloud and she happens to walk through it, she'll look at me and say "that stinks".
On the other hand... I also vape in my truck BUT not in her car. She said it stinks too bad in such a small space. I respect that.
On the other hand... I also vape in my truck BUT not in her car. She said it stinks too bad in such a small space. I respect that.
I see nothing unreasonable about my statements. It's time society starts using some common courtesy when out in public. This applies to all facets in life.
I vape in public with respect, which fits with your "common courtesy when out in public" principle. So, if that is the overriding principle, then we are in agreement. If it is something else, which I got from your previous post, then I'm up for a reasonable discussion.
I follow the rules. I may choose not to go there in the first place if they don't allow vaping (bars and restaurants, in particular) but in practice, not many places around here have those rules. What people are demanding in the thread, though, is that we treat it like smoking and not vape in public. Using the (non logicial) logic that "If we vape in public, they'll make laws against it, so we should treat it like their are already laws".
The person in the article thinks it's smoking. Says so right in the headline. They don't have a clue.
I like what somebody here wrote in one of these threads. "I will vape outside if there is no vaping allowed but I aint going to the smoking area". I am not smoking, period.
I also think somebody nailed it when they say the fight is to NOT be associated with the smokers.
I also think somebody nailed it when they say the fight is to NOT be associated with the smokers.
No I think your a bit misguided in your thinking. It's not about treating vaping as smoking its about treating others around you with respect and not imposing on others with what your doing. A lot of places don't have set rules about it yet because many of them haven't even encountered vaping yet so often its on a right now basis where they see a customer vaping and may have to tell the customer thats not allowed. Also in most areas vaping is allowed outside just like smoking is but vaping in public indoors is dependent upon the establishments choice not yours. Its quite easy to just ask.
You still don't get it. It's only an unreasonable impositions on others if it can be demonstrated as such with hard facts and science. You cannot define "imposition" based on looks alone. Otherwise, I could consider some ugly face an imposition upon my space and be perfectly courteous to ask them to go outside around the corner, according to your logic.
The weight of evidence to date shows that exhaled vapor poses no more risk than regular breath. And that the only quantifiable distinction between the two is looks alone. You have no more right to prevent me from vaping than I have a right to prevent you from exhaling.
Not sure I fully agree with you on this point, though I know we agree in this topic. I don't see how it is an unreasonable imposition for me to vape indoors in certain places. A bathroom in almost all places is great example. Hospitals, IMO, are another example.
If the picture of person or persons vaping indoors is that the room is rather small, there are a bunch of vapers hanging around, and it is really cloudy, then I think I could relate to what the anti-indoor crowd is getting at. But of the 80 or so times I've vaped indoors, in public, I've been the only vaper in the area, around 78 of those times. When I do it in a hospital, I'm doing it in locations where people do go, but are not present and likely won't be in say the next 20 seconds, maybe 20 minutes. With a hospital, I could either think of or find (rather easily) places that no one will be present for a fairly long time. Hence, vaping in hospitals is one of the better places I can think of, and say better than a tiny coffee shop. But even in that tiny coffee shop, I could go to the bathroom take about 5 puffs, and I would consider it highly unlikely that anyone using that bathroom that day would know that I vaped in it.
I think megastores are generally good places for vaping as you can find several areas where you are the only customer in that particular location for several seconds, if not minutes. A mall would be another example of this. A college campus would be yet another example.
IMO, vaping indoors, in many of the places I consider 'best for vaping' is not all that different than outdoors. And if people outdoors were ONLY vaping in locations where there are people standing 3 feet away from them (who are not vaping) then we would possibly be in discussion whereby some vapers are saying it is never ever permissible to vape outdoors, regardless of the circumstances. As, it is possible to vape outside in places where a human may not be for months, then obviously outdoors is often a no-brainer. But say in a city location outside, and with wind at work, I see it as similar to vaping in a megastore. With megastore, I have pretty good idea where my exhaled vapor is going to wind up. When outdoors and there are people around, but all about 15 feet away or further, it is a bit of a crapshoot, and then I just generally go with what DrMA is conveying, in that it isn't a real imposition based on what is in this vapor.
I do think if the outdoors thing was seriously in question, people would be coming from this angle. That vapers would band together and make this argument. If it were closer to situation of people being outdoors and spaced no more than 3 feet apart, then the whole 'common courtesy' thing would be back on the table. But if spaced 15 to 50 feet apart, and people were making issue of 'presence of vapor in the air,' then I believe most vapers would consider that preposterous to claim it is imposition.
Well, likewise, when I'm in a hospital, I am not in a situation where it would be imposing on another. Yet, I recognize that many vapers would consider it socially taboo to ever dream of vaping in a hospital. To which, I will continue to question. why? No really, why?
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