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No, that last sentence reads that those items "make up a substantial percentage of most e-liquids" Mine are no where near that.
I understand what you said and it is fine, just way different than my understanding. Maybe someone can way in with clarity.
Vaping, to me, is Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR). It isn't perfect, but living isn't either.
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Hence the Word "Most" in the Last Sentence.
Just Curious: What Percentages do the Flavorings/Sweeteners/Colorants constitute for an Average e-Liquid that you Use?
3-6%. I think I just read that the cup was "half-empty". It's amazing how many chemicals we ingest in products that we don't give a second thought to. The FDA says that an ingredient doesn't have to be listed on the label unless it meets a certain thresh hold. And, the terms organic, or natural, etc. Even milk; yep, milk. McDonalds was just sued because their hamburgers only had 15% hamburger, what about the other 85%? Doritos; 124 ingredients. And even the term ingredients, it is used instead of ingredients and CHEMICALS.
People dwell on the ingredients of e-juice and don't consider what is in their catsup. OR, that bleach is put on the store shelf where kids can get at it. Not even a safety cap. I am very grateful for vaping e-juice. I am at 42% of the nicotine that I started with will drop down when my bottles are empty again. I definitely see it as a glass half-full. In light of what I breath in daily, I could never look negatively on a good vendor selling good e-juice either. Remember, each ingredient of e-juice is approved by the FDA, just not approved as mixed.
People dwell on the ingredients of e-juice and don't consider what is in their catsup. OR, that bleach is put on the store shelf where kids can get at it. Not even a safety cap. I am very grateful for vaping e-juice. I am at 42% of the nicotine that I started with will drop down when my bottles are empty again. I definitely see it as a glass half-full. In light of what I breath in daily, I could never look negatively on a good vendor selling good e-juice either. Remember, each ingredient of e-juice is approved by the FDA, just not approved as mixed.
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But your basic assumption is the every establishment has rules against vaping. And it simply isn't true.
I'm perfectly willing to abide by their rules. I agree they have a right to make a no vaping rule if they choose. But in my experience, not many places have those rules. And while you assume that "If they haven't made a rule, it means we can't vape", I disagree.
The only two options you seem to see are "vaping is banned" or "there are no rules about vaping, therefore we can't vape".
If I'm aware that a business has a no vaping rule, I will comply. If a bar does that, I'm not likely to go back again. I won't vape in a persons car or vehicle if it bothers them, but that rarely comes up. If I ran a business and didn't want people vaping, I'd put up a sign, just like they used to do with No Smoking signs before the government took the option away from the business.
I vape in public every day, and it's never an issue. But on ECF, there are always people complaining that we shouldn't vape in public, that we should treat it like smoking, that we should assume there are rules against vaping. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
3~6% is on the Very Low End of the Scale for total Flavorings/Sweeteners/Colorants for the Average Vaper. You must be doing DIY and Not buying Retail Flavored e-Liquids. Good Job.
I can' speak for All Retailers. But the 3 B&M Owners that I know use between 10 ~ 15% on Average. And one Owners Shop offers "Double Shots" which are 20% total Flavorings/Sweeteners/Colorants.
All 3 of their Flavored e-Liquids are Comparable Flavor Wise to about All of the Retail e-Liquids I have Purchased.
So maybe you might Disagree with the Word "Substantial" to describe a 10 ~ 20% total Flavorings/Sweeteners/Colorant Level. How about "Significant"?
As much as I dislike "slippery slope" arguments, I firmly believe that there are those in power that will not rest until every aspect of our lives is either taxed or regulated, or both.
Because we're obviously too stupid to make our own grown-up decisions.
Because it is now coming from our mouths and it resembles something that we have been programmed for years to despise.
On the other hand, I was at a dinner mystery theater last night. I stepped outside as a courtesy to my dinner table mates, to have a vape. Small space, 5 other people at the table that I didn't know, thought it would be prudent. The manager saw me outside the open doors and said I can vape inside. His sister vapes, the guy working the bar wears a lanyard at times. I said cool! Sat down at my populated table and gave a small lesson on what it was and that the manager said I was fine. Got several congratulatory comments. Two of the table mates were in the health profession and got kudo's from them too.
Depending on the situation, common sense goes a long way. I think I educated a few more people last night. And to clear the air (see what I did there?
) I vaped in a respectful manner meaning, I did not blow large clouds. I did let some out just to let them see for themselves that there is no stink, and the vapor doesn't linger. Wisps of vapor dissipate very quickly and there generally isn't enough to make any detectable smell from the flavoring. At times, I didn't even let any vapor out. All in all, a very funny pleasant evening.
Personally, I don't like to draw attention so I keep it to myself with stealth vaping. The biggest problem is the whole debate and methods are a double edged sword, you can vape and argue its only water vapor etc etc and laws and regulations at public places will be set in to stone. On the other hand, if you stealth or dont do it all in certain areas the laws will most likely end up being passed anyway. So you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Robino1, nice story you deserve applause for you common courtesy towards others and polite behavior. If more people used simple common sense others wouldn't even care about people vaping. Its the people that go to extremes to be rude with their vaping that are causing all the trouble for the rest of us.
This is untrue. The part where you say "causing all the trouble for the rest of us." Not true.
More accurate, in my estimation of what is causing bans on vaping in public is:
- 88% - ANTZ rhetoric, propaganda, political influence
- 10% - a general public that doesn't care to argue this issue and instead leaves it up to (ANTZ leaning) legislators
- 2% - vaping enthusiasts who vape in public and do so in a visibly disrespectful manner.
I live in a state where legislators sought to exempt vaping, indoors, from clean air act protocols. While the legislation didn't pass, the opposite is not in effect. Thus it is unclear, and is up to businesses currently to decide for themselves.
I haven't read anything credible stating PG is actually pumped into the ventilation systems of hospitals, other than studies which were conducted in the 1950's...
There are guidelines and exposure limits for stage hands and concert venue gaffers and workers...
I know what you mean and am saying that this is less than 10% of what is causing the bans. I'm wondering if you understand this point, as I think it is highly relevant to anyone making a claim that obnoxious vapers are causing bans.
I meant direct exposure from respiratory treatments. Yes there are exposure guidelines. However, the public and workers are still exposed to all of this "dangerous" second hand vape.
I live in King Co, WA. Vaping was banned indoors here in 2010, long before there were and sub-ohmers blowing plumes. In fact, most ecigs available back then were cigalikes.
There is no evidence that vaping behavior is responsible for these bans. It's 100% down to ANTZ FUD and an ignorant and complacent public.
I understand all of that but the general public doesn't and for the most part the non smoking and non vaping public don't want to sit in a room as we vape or smoke. Most of them think of it as the same thing (I'm not agreeing with them) and don't or even care to be told different.
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