This is from 2006, a interesting read http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/REDs/propylene_glycol_red.pdf
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This is from 2006, a interesting read http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/REDs/propylene_glycol_red.pdf
Agreed,
I stealth vape anywhere outside of home, besides the vape shop no need to show off. I dont think it is right to expose other people to the chemicals in the vapor I exhale. Regardless of how harmful, or non-harmful it is. If there are children around that do not belong to me, I wont even stealth.
Probably get bashed for that but whatever
That is pretty interesting. I think it does dispel the myth that it is pumped into the air handling systems of hospitals, but rather used in wall mounted canisters which expel a little bit on a timed release schedule, or used to spray down an 'infected' room.
Oddly enough it states for nearly all applications to keep away from food, drinking water or eating utensils...
I sit in a room (about 15 x 30 ft.) at least twice a month, that has rather poor ventilation and vape with non-vaping members of the public. A couple are smokers, most of these people are neither. I routinely ask if they are okay with me vaping in their presence, and am often curious if they can smell what I am exhaling or if it ever does bother them. I am vaping in their presence around 3 to 5 hours at a time. To date, out of the 80 or so hours I've vaped in their presence, I've had one minor complaint from one of these people. That person (a non cigarette smoker) has gone on to ask me several times if I brought him a vaping device that he could use just for that night.
Of the 80+ times I've vaped in public around strangers, I am yet to be asked or told not to. You'll see me say, "still batting 1.000" as that is true for me to date. I am certain that in all these situations if I lit up a smoke and pretended like this is perfectly okay, that I would be batting around .083 and would be barred from many locations as I'd be known as the guy who didn't get the no message the first 30 times it was communicated to me.
I believe this idea that the public absolutely minds if we vape in their presence is partially based on experience of fellow vapers who aren't batting 1.000 and have faced scrutiny from members of the public; but mostly, I believe it is based on ex-smokers who have bought into ANTZ rhetoric about SHS and who believe it is way way too problematic or even inconsiderate to do such an activity in public.
As another member of ECF has said, I get more flak about vaping in public from people on ECF than I ever get in real life. Like way more, because I really have zero people in my neck of the woods (friends or strangers) that give me any flak. But here on ECF, it is about 20 to 45% of the vaping participants in this type of thread that act as if I am engaging in a grave social injustice and that if I am vaping indoors, in public, I must be a highly disrespectful person.
It would be interesting to see your opinion after reading the whole article objectively.
I see you left this out:
"Ready to use solution - Automatic dispenser - 7oz per 6000 cubic ft. of closed air space"
The article states there is commonly other chemicals in the solution
Did you see this:
"Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol."
or this:
"EPA has determined that the established exemption from a requirement for a tolerance for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol, meet the safety standards under the FQPA amendments to section 408(b)(2)(C) of the FFDCA, that there is a reasonable certainty of no harm for infants and children."
I see you left this out:
"Ready to use solution - Automatic dispenser - 7oz per 6000 cubic ft. of closed air space"
The article states there is commonly other chemicals in the solution
Did you see this:
"Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol."
or this:
"EPA has determined that the established exemption from a requirement for a tolerance for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol, meet the safety standards under the FQPA amendments to section 408(b)(2)(C) of the FFDCA, that there is a reasonable certainty of no harm for infants and children."
I read the pdf. What you claim I left out is what I describe as a wall mounted canister dispensing system...
There are no concerns, yet in many of the warnings for applications it states to keep away from food and water, even when not used in conjunction with other chemicals...
Jman, I get it, I really do and by no means have any problem with anyone vaping in public. I wish we all could and wish it wasn't even an issue. But unfortunately for some it is an issue. A lot of it has to do with enjoying yourself and some people just can't stand to see us doing that or are just convinced vaping is just another form of smoking.
I do smoke in public where its allowed of course but I don't really vape in public except maybe in my vehicle lol, and the last time I did vape some idiot asked if I was smoking dope from my contraption lol. I tried to explain but he wasn't having it and actually said he was reporting me. I vape cause I like it but I dont take it with me everywhere and don't have the attitude that I can do it anywhere I please like some do. Its those that are pushing the envelope and wish insisit they have some kind of right to vape anywhere they choose that cause public perception problems.
I do smoke in public where its allowed of course but I don't really vape in public except maybe in my vehicle lol, and the last time I did vape some idiot asked if I was smoking dope from my contraption lol. I tried to explain but he wasn't having it and actually said he was reporting me. I vape cause I like it but I dont take it with me everywhere and don't have the attitude that I can do it anywhere I please like some do. Its those that are pushing the envelope and wish insisit they have some kind of right to vape anywhere they choose that cause public perception problems.
And it is this last sentence that you added that I, or we, disagree with. Or I wonder if you feel the converse is accurate as well? Meaning if I vape in public in a respectful way, then the public perception would be that vapers who do this in public are respectful.
Instead, it seems that you truly believe that all vapers who vape in public are causing negative impressions. Not sure if it was this thread or another 'vaping in public' thread, but I said that I have a dislike for PDA. I could then claim that anyone engaging in PDA is creating a negative impression for it. Your decision to hold hands of someone you love, while in public, is causing a negative impression. And because there are people who are obnoxious with PDA, this is the reason why no humans ought to be touching each other anywhere outside of their home/bedroom. Therefore, it is always wrong to do it in public. Even if you've been told by someone that they like seeing people do this, they are part of an extreme minority and are wrong that it gives off a positive impression.
That is how I hear your points on vaping in public. It really reads that puritanical.
Jman, I think you do understand what I'm saying and I also think you as well as many know the difference between being respectful with vaping or smoking when around others and just not caring and doing whatever you want. There's a huge difference there, just think about. I'm not gonna argue the same point over and over you either understand or you don't and I suspect you do.
I do Not think everyone vaping in public are causing negative impressions but I do know some are, the ones insisting they are entitled, the one blowing huge clouds towards others for no other reason besides they can, the ones who disregard respect towards others. I think it's very clear.
I do Not think everyone vaping in public are causing negative impressions but I do know some are, the ones insisting they are entitled, the one blowing huge clouds towards others for no other reason besides they can, the ones who disregard respect towards others. I think it's very clear.
I take this as concession and appreciate it.
Can you name any activity done in public that doesn't have examples of obnoxious people that may cause negative impressions. No? I didn't think so.
It might have Just been that that sub4me is a Green Bay Packers Fan. And needed to Log-Off to see the End of the Packers vs. Dolphins Game.
Which was a Thriller to Say the Least.
Yes, when it was 4th and 10 with like a minute to go for the Packers, I thought they were done for, and still thought it was an amazing game. Few controversial penalties and lots of great play from both teams. That the Pack came back and won to remain in tie for first place made my Sunday.
Overall, I vape like I smoked in public. This was in a considerate and respectful manner. At home I vape differently as I never smoked in the house. Heck, you might as well call it an adult pacifier.
Ok then you take it anyway that pleases you but let me point out that when we vape or smoke we are the ones that are seen as invading others peoples personal space with whatever it is were blowing out which is much different then some couple showing affection or most other examples you may come up with. Most people who don't smoke or vape don't want to inhale what were exhaling. This isn't difficult to understand no matter if we like it or not.
lol my wife calls whatever I am vaping at the time "my binkee" As I cry when it's not close
Since i just started i think it should be allowed. it does not hurt anyone no big chance of 2nd hand smoke
Where I live, it is allowed in many places. Not all of them, but many. And in the places where it is allegedly not allowed (i.e. a hospital), it may as well be allowed cause Jman does it routinely, and no one even notices. Being considerate when openly vaping works wonders in civilized society.
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