Situations like this just bring a negative light to electronic cigs. Until the public is more educated, and the FDA quits fighting them, folks, PLEASE do not vape where you cannot smoke.
Question about being thrown out of a coffee shop
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The mall store pays rent, you were on private property.
If you walked into my apartment and lit up a ciggy I'd ask you to put it out, if you then said to me, "it's not illegal, lady, I asked the security patrol!" I'd get pretty ...... off and demand you get your ... out of my apartment.
I don't care if it's legal or not, when you're on private property you follow the rules of the manager.
If you walked into my apartment and lit up a ciggy I'd ask you to put it out, if you then said to me, "it's not illegal, lady, I asked the security patrol!" I'd get pretty ...... off and demand you get your ... out of my apartment.
I don't care if it's legal or not, when you're on private property you follow the rules of the manager.
Personally, I refrain from smoking anywhere it's not allowed. With the exception of my local bars in my hometown. I've recieved permission from the bar owner to do so. Even then the smokers who have to go out by the garbage cans get jealous and make rude comments. Not being the passive/agressive type, I always comply. When you buy an e-cig, there is no liciense that gives you carte blanc to smoke it anywhere. You're still subject to the whims of the property owner and the people around you. Many people are offended by strong perfumes and after shaves. These substances are perfectly legal but still offensive to some. Many people are hyper-sensitive to any kind of smoke be it real or imagined. We as vapors have to respect that. That's my thought on the subject.
And if you happen to be a city employee in Portland, OR, you know this better than most:
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I have to say that a lot of the blame here goes to people just not knowing about PVs. But there's another fair bit of blame that goes to the e-cig vendors. I see ads quite a bit that talk about how you can "smoke anywhere" (you know in bars, malls, on planes, at work, on missions to Mars, etc), so it really sets up an expectation with new vapers that the e-cigarette will instantly be accepted and understood and will get a free pass.
Thing is those ads don't take into account that PVs are really a new technology here in the states and most non-vapers have never heard of them. Of the ones that have heard of them, very few are informed as to its safety or even how it works. One friend of mine thought that it used a heating element like a toaster to heat the tobacco! So we really shouldn't buy into the advertisers' "smoke anywhere" claims as an expectation. It's an option, yes, but one that should only be taken with the consent of establishment owners/managers, even if it does mean being told no by the mini-Napoleons that run the occasional Southern coffee shop.
Thing is those ads don't take into account that PVs are really a new technology here in the states and most non-vapers have never heard of them. Of the ones that have heard of them, very few are informed as to its safety or even how it works. One friend of mine thought that it used a heating element like a toaster to heat the tobacco! So we really shouldn't buy into the advertisers' "smoke anywhere" claims as an expectation. It's an option, yes, but one that should only be taken with the consent of establishment owners/managers, even if it does mean being told no by the mini-Napoleons that run the occasional Southern coffee shop.
*LOL* I'm definitely offended by some of those. Can we ban that Axe body spray crap?
I don't know how many times I've gotten a horrid nauseating perfume headache by people who feel the need to layer and bath in that crap!
It all boils down to common courtesy.
Yeah, I spent 10 years in Portland. SW, near Capital Hwy and Barbour Blvd. Got a cold the first month I moved there. kept it until I left. Portland was a little too progressive for my taste. bordering on collectivism. For some, the Portland state of mind is a perfect fit and more power to them. I'm convinced there's a place for everyone that fits their personality. Moved to Northern Arizona and never looked back. Never get sick now. The only thing I worry about is the occasional rattlesnake curled up on my doormat to keep warm at night and the local mountain lion eyeballing my dog.
Yes...This happend to me at a Yard House restraunt in California. I tried to explain but was going anywere. Since I was at a friends birthday party I did not want to make him uncomportable so I complied but was upset. The truth is this is a hard debate to win. Maybe drop of in an evelope the laws of ecigerett smoking and try to educate them that way. It is a slow proccess of educating people.
Well put, Amy! Smokers have been 2nd class citizens for so long, that we yearn for the freedom of doing what we want, where we want...coupled with the false advertising of the mass-producers, as was mentioned before, of smoking 'anywhere,' it pizzas ya off to not be able to do vape where you want/need to. We have to be 'gentle' with the public so they understand what exactly we are doing. There will always be those who live under rocks and think they rule the universe. Rosa said it best: Ya can't fix stupid!
Hang in there, Punk!! Hopefully it will become so accepted that the next time someone calls you punk, you can do they old Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry on 'em. Go ahead, make my day!
I've got to agree with this.
I'd have said "I'm not smoking, it's just vapor" and put it away.
If he'd continued to be rude then I would have complained to his supervisors.
Keep in mind, vaping itself does have an odor. Some like the smells, some of the smells are a bit odd. I was using my regular juice but with the map and a coworker said it smelled like curry. I never got that description from anyone before. Sure, I don't like the way she smells when she comes in after a cig break but until I get a new everyday vape flavor that doesn't bother her, I ceased using the map with this particular juice at work because someone else didn't care for it. I like the privilege of being to vape in the stockroom, because vaping in no smoking areas should still be deemed as a privilege, not a right.
I wouldn't vape in an eating establishment, not all e-juice is appetizing toe veryone, especially the cigar and tobacco type flavors and not everyone wants to smell it, regardless if it is vapor or smoke.
I wouldn't vape in an eating establishment, not all e-juice is appetizing toe veryone, especially the cigar and tobacco type flavors and not everyone wants to smell it, regardless if it is vapor or smoke.
I don't think e-cigs will ever be widely accepted in non smoking areas. There is a midset among many that any device that people inhale and then exhale into their space is an affront to them. Maybe if an e-cig that was shaped round like an "Advair" inhaler, used for COPD, would work in the general public as there is a different mindset towards these types of devices. But getting to know the e-cig community and hard core vapers, I'm sure someone would invent a COPD looking, inhaler device the size of a pizza.
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I have to say you were in the wrong even using it in the store....your story clearly shows this guy had no idea what an e-cig is. To him you were still smoking in his store and you needed to use some manors and say your sorry and ..... Not everyone even knows what an e-cig is for gods sake...it took a whole day to break it down for my dad and he still seems confused. I'm shocked you could not just not do it in the mall. It seems that you fit the stereotype about people from cali. Rude and uncarring of others feelings. Last time I checked he asked you to leave and the minute you did not you were breaking the law.
Because "roll over and take it" gets things changed? Regardless of context, this guy was an ... and should be called out for it. I'd advise going back (as I have worked many years of retail/service) and just get a cup of coffee. See if they even recognize you.
We can't change opinion without hurting public opinion. While I appreciate the property-ownership ideals, they're far from conclusive. Skip the lawsuit, that's just wasted time and money, but perhaps leading with "I'm going to vape over here, will that disrupt my experience as a customer?" may be a decent approach. If the answer is "yes" then you can spend your money elsewhere. And with the "okay" from security, you could even stand right outside and vape (with your coffee) without issue, right?
People change their perceptions when forced to. Force it or simply walk away.
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