quick releases don't fall for them

[mwa102464]

It's really amazing how fast some products are being released from over seas and sold to the Ecig users. I say yield before you buy anything folks, there is a whole lot of junk being thrown at us, especially newer types of carts, Atty's and just all sorts of trash,! If it's going to be a really good product its going to be around forever and MASS PRODUCED = example = Ego/Riva Batt with a LR Atty, take a look how long this has been around how many are sold and how many of us are using or have used these types of set ups. I love the Chines but they are throwing products out at all of us faster than they can make them sometimes and lots of it is just no good and people jump all over it to say there the first to have it.

I hate to be the bad guy to throw this warning out there buts its happening in the Ecig world big time right now. Get some product knowledge and first hand info from a true friend who you can trust, that's all I'm saying here, I just see so many people jumping on so many junk products right now to say or be the first to have them and then the product really sucks or the user just isn't happy with it and they've totally wasted there money. There is so many people with buckets of vaping junk they no longer use and it really can't even be resold. There are also so many products that give you the same darn vape as the next product. We need to see some real advancements in this industry and it's going to happen but not overnight, think before you buy and waste your money.!

Same goes with some threads I see being started saying JOE HAS THIS NEW THING IT'S REALLY GREAT OR THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD, Please, if it was really great Joe would have the attention of the entire ECF and everyone would be raving about it in 20 threads not just one quick thread to create sales because 90% of the time that's all it is, another marketing tactic to create sales, catch my drift, vape wise all be smart and take your time to buy things is all I'm saying here

 

[six]

So, what's brand new and total junk? What prompted your post?

I do have a handful (or maybe a double fist full) of crap in my junk drawer, so I'm not missing your point (lesson learned the hard way more than once). But what item(s) got your dander up enough to post the advice?

 

[xg4bx]

I agree, its like every week there's a new product or "best thing ever". I'm especially wary when I see people reporting nothing but problems with a lot of this new stuff.

I'm sticking with nothing but a stock 808 and filler cartos until this "let's throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" situation has resolved itself. I believe in genuine product advancement but there's been what, 3 or 4 new types of cartos in the past few months? This new 'mizer, that new 'mizer, this tank,that tank all in the past 3 months or so.. Its absurd.

 

[mwa102464]

So, what's brand new and total junk? What prompted your post?

I do have a handful (or maybe a double fist full) of crap in my junk drawer, so I'm not missing your point (lesson learned the hard way more than once). But what item(s) got your dander up enough to post the advice?

I think my post pretty much states my point, I'm not going to name names. as far as what got my
"Dander up" ? Not everyone can afford to have or wants a drawer full of ecig junk, I can and do and I'm not crying the blues about it I've been at this plenty long enough to have a drawer full, but the ecig community in general wants & deserves to by product that is good and get there moneys worth from there purchases. Last night I saw a company selling a 510 Atty for $59 and that's only one small scam I see out there, theres many more, buyer be ware is the bottom line here and don't jump to be the first, it's not always worth it.!

 

[six]

OK. I hear ya. - I searched "electronic cigarette" on facebook yesterday. One of the top search results with a couple of thouand "likes" was a company selling a single knock-off 510 bat, single atty, and single charger with 5 prefills for $125. I saw another one selling a pack of 5 disposables for $175. I read a few of the comments on their pages and wanted to scream "Don't do it!"

I just thought there might have been something in particular to avoid.

 

[tenzip]

I see your point, but I'm sure you see the obvious flaw in your plan. If no one buys it, how are we to know if it's any good?

Somebody has to be the early adopter, the beta tester, so to speak.

And even when "everyone" agrees, "Product Xyz is great! I love it!", I seriously doubt that there will ever be a product that's good for everyone. There are too many individual "quirks" about the way people vape, I don't believe there can be a "one-size-fits-all" product.

Unfortunately, this is like shoes. No one knows the shoe pinches except the wearer. If you don't try it, you won't know if it's right for you, even if "everybody" says it's great.

 

[Copperhead]

I see your point, but I'm sure you see the obvious flaw in your plan. If no one buys it, how are we to know if it's any good?

Somebody has to be the early adopter, the beta tester, so to speak.

And even when "everyone" agrees, "Product Xyz is great! I love it!", I seriously doubt that there will ever be a product that's good for everyone. There are too many individual "quirks" about the way people vape, I don't believe there can be a "one-size-fits-all" product.

Unfortunately, this is like shoes. No one knows the shoe pinches except the wearer. If you don't try it, you won't know if it's right for you, even if "everybody" says it's great.

I can agree to a certain extent....But shouldn't the manufacturer of some of this stuff bear some of the responsibility in testing their product...Sure...maybe the product won't be everyones cup of tea...but it shouldn't be asking too much that the product perform in a consistant manner...not just the hit or miss type of performance we see in lots of the products offered...Especially...when we're paying for it...I'm all for having an unbiased group of beta testers...just not the fact that the "testing" is being done on our dime...

 

[RippleInStillWater]

You have good advice there, mwa. I know when I started vaping I was using the 808s and I wasn't getting enough of a hit for me -- and then I found this place! My next step was figuring out which reviewers to pay attention to, usually the ones who give positive and negative reviews, to figure out which way I wanted to go with things; true friends on here (too many to mention but mwa and boB have been great for me) will give you the straight poop in a pm if it needs to stay out of the forum. That is how I decided (at the time) to buy a GLV and have never looked back. Sure, I have acquired other mods and have tried about every atty and carto out there for my own edification but I waited until I heard the views of the first rabbits until I bought; nothing sucks more than when you realize you have just purchased a piece of crap and should have waited. Hell, I don't even buy GG stuff until I hear how the true fanboys like them -- and even then, I wait to buy used!!!

I guess all I really want to say is that go to a meet and see everything with your own eyes, vape with it yourself, before you throw a hundred bucks down -- or buy in the classys, there is nothing wrong with 'previously owned' equipment!!!

 

[Mr.Self_Destruct]

Great advice mwa! It really needed to be said. I always wait and research products now before I purchase. I have made a few mistakes myself. Lesson learned.

 

[tenzip]

I can agree to a certain extent....But shouldn't the manufacturer of some of this stuff bear some of the responsibility in testing their product...Sure...maybe the product won't be everyones cup of tea...but it shouldn't be asking too much that the product perform in a consistant manner...not just the hit or miss type of performance we see in lots of the products offered...Especially...when we're paying for it...I'm all for having an unbiased group of beta testers...just not the fact that the "testing" is being done on our dime...

Sure, the manufacturers, or at least the resellers have to stand behind their products if they're truly faulty. But I think a lot of the people who are having "difficulties" with this or that product are saying that it's a manufacturing defect, when in actuality, it's just a bad match for them, or their use of the product, or (and I think this is most of the problem), they want something that is just as easy as lighting a cigarette. Something that you can dump juice in, vape, and not think about it at all. And if it is faulty, send the dang thing back!

Unfortunately, that's not the way this product is. There isn't one that's that easy, or everyone would have one, and there wouldn't be 43 dozen different kinds of PVs and mods wouldn't exist, because why would you modify something that works?

I'm not saying mwa is wrong, I'm just saying that SOMEBODY has to try the stuff, and say, yes, it worked, or no, it didn't. Things that are truly crap will be denounced roundly, with a few supporters, and things that are good will be widely supported, with a few detractors. And some will be more evenly divided. Nothing is going to work for everyone.

Case in point, and I mention it only because I use it and so I read the threads about it, the eGo-T. I think it works great. So do a bunch of other people. A bunch of others say it sucks big hairy balls. Opinion (it seems to me) is relatively evenly divided. It seems to be a fairly hotly disputed thing, because someone says, this sucks, someone else says, you're using it wrong, and then it deteriorates into a pissing match.

I got one fairly soon after they came out, and it works great. For the way that I vape. I can see it's limitations. I just don't have a problem with them. I don't tell people who have problems with it, "You're doing it wrong." It just won't fit everyone's style. It doesn't mean it's a bad product. I've even posted to a couple of the "this thing sucks" threads, offering to buy stuff from people who didn't like it. Because I do.

 

[Caddyman]

i pretty much always wait to see with the ecig world, read reviews, etc, before i purchase.

now with cell phones otoh, im that early adopter

of course there is a big difference betwix the two.

 

[hairball]

Excellent advice mwa. I, too, have fallen into hype. I tried the smartcarts...unless modded..don't work worth a darn to me. I've learned to wait on reviews for mods. That's hard to do but when you spend a bunch, I want to know if people feel they live up to the creator's description. I know there are a few new things coming to us, if cheap, I may give them ago. I don't know yet. I've spent a fortune on failed items and don't want to do it again. eGo-T's, I've steared clear from due to reviews on the atty's. Failed or not? I don't want to find out.

For newbies, stick with what works. Drip tip, atty, battery, and a good juice. Don't get sucked into the whirlwind of a new product. Give it awhile and read every review you can.

 

[mwa102464]

Sure, the manufacturers, or at least the resellers have to stand behind their products if they're truly faulty. But I think a lot of the people who are having "difficulties" with this or that product are saying that it's a manufacturing defect, when in actuality, it's just a bad match for them, or their use of the product, or (and I think this is most of the problem), they want something that is just as easy as lighting a cigarette. Something that you can dump juice in, vape, and not think about it at all. And if it is faulty, send the dang thing back!

Unfortunately, that's not the way this product is. There isn't one that's that easy, or everyone would have one, and there wouldn't be 43 dozen different kinds of PVs and mods wouldn't exist, because why would you modify something that works?

I'm not saying mwa is wrong, I'm just saying that SOMEBODY has to try the stuff, and say, yes, it worked, or no, it didn't. Things that are truly crap will be denounced roundly, with a few supporters, and things that are good will be widely supported, with a few detractors. And some will be more evenly divided. Nothing is going to work for everyone.

Case in point, and I mention it only because I use it and so I read the threads about it, the eGo-T. I think it works great. So do a bunch of other people. A bunch of others say it sucks big hairy balls. Opinion (it seems to me) is relatively evenly divided. It seems to be a fairly hotly disputed thing, because someone says, this sucks, someone else says, you're using it wrong, and then it deteriorates into a pissing match.

I got one fairly soon after they came out, and it works great. For the way that I vape. I can see it's limitations. I just don't have a problem with them. I don't tell people who have problems with it, "You're doing it wrong." It just won't fit everyone's style. It doesn't mean it's a bad product. I've even posted to a couple of the "this thing sucks" threads, offering to buy stuff from people who didn't like it. Because I do.

@ Tenzip,


I hear what your saying in your statements and agree with some and every unit isn't for everyone thats for sure, Hence I own over 80 Mods, But shouldn't they ALL put out a nice vapor with good to great flavor and satisfy the end user ? without design flaws before release ? Manufacturers are putting out some real trash sometimes and it hasn't gone through proper R&D and hasn't been tested properly before release, then they know it's total junk but still make a run of 500,000 pieces and flood the market with this crap, it also comes down to smart vendors and poor vendors and which you decide to purchase from.

Then you have companies out there that are charging $59 for 1 Atomizer when they can be purchased between $4-$9 for the same one or better ? then you have some vendors who put out these marketing scams and even some who make a post on "BOB's GOT THE BEST JUICE IN THE WORLD YOU HAVE TO TRY THIS", and it's the same old mix that we all have seen 100 times before that isn't any better than what we already have lying around. Then theres this new unit that is the next best thing since sliced bread and when you get it with high hopes the thing burns up carts and taste like plastic and theres plastic leaching into your juice ? who wants this stuff, I know I don't want it in my tool box full on Mods and ecigs.

Like I said in the original post, YIELD BEFORE BUYING and don't fall for some of these Marketing 101 scams that are going on just to move product that isn't any good or better than what you all ready have and waste your money in these tough economical times that are going on Globally around the world.

Also yes, someone has to try them, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 25,000 CUSTOMERS SPENDING THERE HARD EARNED MONEY, it needs to go through the proper Beta testing and channels that GOOD MANUFACTURERS USE and PRACTICE, not the ones your poor manufactures don't adhere to and just produce the junk and put it out there to get there money back they wasted on a poor design with numerous flaws and even make a profit on, The ecig world doesn't need that crap and the community in a whole shouldn't have to get ripped off on this junk, so I made a post to warn others of it happening that's the bottom line and if I can only save a few from buying into this junk then I have won in making my post but hopefully I help many more than a few.! No hard feelings just replying to our statements my friend Tenzip. enough said.!

 

[mwa102464]

Tenzip,

Your also pointing out just one product the Ego-T which is at the minimum highly controversial whether it is good or bad and hasn't been refined yet to it's final product yet and another of the products that obviously needs a bit more testing and some improvements made to it in my opinion, and we may see that happen too in just my opinion. HOWEVER I'm not even talking about the Ego-T in my statements, it's more about the ones I had mentioned without naming names.

 

[Puffy545]

Thats funny, my Grandpa told me the same thing about computers.

 

[Copperhead]

Sure, the manufacturers, or at least the resellers have to stand behind their products if they're truly faulty. But I think a lot of the people who are having "difficulties" with this or that product are saying that it's a manufacturing defect, when in actuality, it's just a bad match for them, or their use of the product, or (and I think this is most of the problem), they want something that is just as easy as lighting a cigarette. Something that you can dump juice in, vape, and not think about it at all. And if it is faulty, send the dang thing back!

Unfortunately, that's not the way this product is. There isn't one that's that easy, or everyone would have one, and there wouldn't be 43 dozen different kinds of PVs and mods wouldn't exist, because why would you modify something that works?

I'm not saying mwa is wrong, I'm just saying that SOMEBODY has to try the stuff, and say, yes, it worked, or no, it didn't. Things that are truly crap will be denounced roundly, with a few supporters, and things that are good will be widely supported, with a few detractors. And some will be more evenly divided. Nothing is going to work for everyone.

Case in point, and I mention it only because I use it and so I read the threads about it, the eGo-T. I think it works great. So do a bunch of other people. A bunch of others say it sucks big hairy balls. Opinion (it seems to me) is relatively evenly divided. It seems to be a fairly hotly disputed thing, because someone says, this sucks, someone else says, you're using it wrong, and then it deteriorates into a pissing match.

I got one fairly soon after they came out, and it works great. For the way that I vape. I can see it's limitations. I just don't have a problem with them. I don't tell people who have problems with it, "You're doing it wrong." It just won't fit everyone's style. It doesn't mean it's a bad product. I've even posted to a couple of the "this thing sucks" threads, offering to buy stuff from people who didn't like it. Because I do.

Again...I agree to some extent....But if I buy 3 eGo tank atomizers(at 16 bucks a pop)....They should all perform the same...Good OR bad....If the same user...uses the same product...in the same way...that said product should perform the SAME....Not sometimes good - sometimes bad...Not last a week - last a day....Not maybe leak - maybe not...

Yes...products in this field is still evolving...But once a certain concept is developed....consistency and quality control shouldn't take a back seat to getting the product out to market...

Edited this to avoid any flaming....I mentioned the eGo tank only because this was one of these "new" products I personally tried...At times...I found it to be wonderful...but whether is was or not...was a total crapshoot..

 

[bassthumper]

It's really amazing how fast some products are being released from over seas and sold to the Ecig users. I say yield before you buy anything folks, there is a whole lot of junk being thrown at us, especially newer types of carts, Atty's and just all sorts of trash,! If it's going to be a really good product its going to be around forever and MASS PRODUCED = example = Ego/Riva Batt with a LR Atty, take a look how long this has been around how many are sold and how many of us are using or have used these types of set ups. I love the Chines but they are throwing products out at all of us faster than they can make them sometimes and lots of it is just no good and people jump all over it to say there the first to have it.

I hate to be the bad guy to throw this warning out there buts its happening in the Ecig world big time right now. Get some product knowledge and first hand info from a true friend who you can trust, that's all I'm saying here, I just see so many people jumping on so many junk products right now to say or be the first to have them and then the product really sucks or the user just isn't happy with it and they've totally wasted there money. There is so many people with buckets of vaping junk they no longer use and it really can't even be resold. There are also so many products that give you the same darn vape as the next product. We need to see some real advancements in this industry and it's going to happen but not overnight, think before you buy and waste your money.!

Same goes with some threads I see being started saying JOE HAS THIS NEW THING IT'S REALLY GREAT OR THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD, Please, if it was really great Joe would have the attention of the entire ECF and everyone would be raving about it in 20 threads not just one quick thread to create sales because 90% of the time that's all it is, another marketing tactic to create sales, catch my drift, vape wise all be smart and take your time to buy things is all I'm saying here

I just sit back and laugh. It's amusing to watch all the greedy "gotta have it first" peeps waste their money on CRAP. So whatever, do your homework, if you don't I could care less if that ecig or juice doesn't work right for ya. Maybe you'll learn a lesson or two. WAY too many ppl here try to ONE UP eachother "oh i gotta have that ecig FIRST" and whatnot. I've even SEEN a post where the dude was like "I HAVE to have this FIRST" and he was actually SERIOUS.

i'm into ecigs just as much as the last dude but gimme a break. Go ahead and flock to the darkness and jump in head first. you'll come out with JUNK while I'm over here vaping away!

 

[5vz]

mwa;

I'm just happy someone finally said it, especially for anyone just reading about vaping before purchasing. I too have spent way too much on junk, more than I can afford on things that are "the best ever" or "supposed to last forever" but didn't work to begin with. It is helpful when someone reminds us to wait and watch, read reviews, wait some more for the week or month or more after.

 

[grandmato5]

I couldn't agree with you more mwa. My high school busines law teacher taught me well many years ago when he taught me "Caveat Emptor" "let the buyer beware". In my six+ months of vaping I've yet to purchase anything that I don't like and don't use. Yes, I like some things better than others but I like them all well enough to not feel as if I've wasted any money. Its more than worth it to me to wait and sit back and read many reviews on new products before jumping in to make my own purchases. I'm just not one of those people that feels the need to try every new product that comes out in the e-cig world and I'm sure that's part of the reason that I am happy with all that I have. With that said I've certainly spend more then my fair share to help the e-cig ecomomy ! LOL

I went against my own advise over the weekend and purchased a package of the new 510 Tank Cartridges. The few reviews I 'd read looked promising and since the cost was minimal after doing as much research as I could find on them I went ahead and gave one package a try feeling I'd not be wasting any large amount of money on trying them. I really like them and I've already orderd a few more BUT if I had not liked them I would have said so in a review for others to read but I would have also accepted my own responsiblity for the fact that I bought them early knowing that could have been my own mistake.

 

[intriqken]

Another thing....
Decide first whether what you currently have is working for you and you are happy.
If you are happy with your $30 510 kit or 808 or whatever then you don't need to go out and buy 'the newest latest and greatest' just because 12 reviewers say it's the best thing since sliced bread,
If you like what you have, enjoy it until it has to be replaced due to failure or old age. Don't just go buy something because it is new or different.
Does it give you the amount of vapor, throat hit, and taste you like and satisfy your cravings?
Then why are you continually looking at others?

If you have a dog you like going hunting with, stay out of the kennels