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[IDJoel]

That is a lot of variables to consider! I'm holding steady DTL vaping with a 0.3 ohm build in a restricted lung hit rta and wicking with rayon. I sure hope I don't decide that I need to change things up down the road.

I agree 100%; and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, as a smart thing to do.

About a year ago, I started getting the heavy chest, congestion, phlegm, and morning hacking, like I had when I smoked. I was going through a lot of e-liquid; and decided I needed to make some changes. Thus the hardware (along with nic, and PG/VG parameters) changes.

I really don't want to return to the old DTL tanks I used to use; so I am just trying to middle along.

Several times I have made the mistake of trying a new recipe or flavor when I first get a new tank. It’s like shooting myself in the foot because I don’t know if it’s the tank, the build, or the flavoring.

Yeah, that's kinda where I'm at. It is almost like learning how to vape, and DIY, all over again.

I am doing my best to remain patient; and not make any hasty evaluations right now. Eventually, I'll get it all figured out!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I agree 100%; and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, as a smart thing to do.

About a year ago, I started getting the heavy chest, congestion, phlegm, and morning hacking, like I had when I smoked. I was going through a lot of e-liquid; and decided I needed to make some changes. Thus the hardware (along with nic, and PG/VG parameters) changes.

I really don't want to return to the old DTL tanks I used to use; so I am just trying to middle along.

Yeah, that's kinda where I'm at. It is almost like learning how to vape, and DIY, all over again.

I am doing my best to remain patient; and not make any hasty evaluations right now. Eventually, I'll get it all figured out!

Joel, Instead of going totally mtl(and have the feeling drawing a puff is like sucking molasses through a straw---sorry mtl vapers) you could do a middle of the road type of vaping. Many of us like what is known as a restricted dtl where we are using a mtl rta tank but the airflow allows us more freedom to draw from. To me this is more of a natural type of draw(very close to the real cigarette type of puff). Just a suggestion, but it does work for a lot of vapers.



eta, a very good tank that does just that is the Siren 2. You still get that tiny tug of a mtl vape but air flow is free-er....hope that makes sense.

 

[AngeNZ]

Joel, Instead of going totally mtl(and have the feeling drawing a puff is like sucking molasses through a straw---sorry mtl vapers) you could do a middle of the road type of vaping. Many of us like what is known as a restricted dtl where we are using a mtl rta tank but the airflow allows us more freedom to draw from. To me this is more of a natural type of draw(very close to the real cigarette type of puff). Just a suggestion, but it does work for a lot of vapers.



eta, a very good tank that does just that is the Siren 2. You still get that tiny tug of a vape but air flow is free-er....hope that makes sense.

Yep - I'm in this boat too. I call it loosey goosey mtl (that's the technical term). Any airier RTA should work. I'm using the sjmy doggystyle RTA. @NolaMel vapes this way too, she will have more ideas on attys.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Yep - I'm in this boat too. I call it loosey goosey mtl (that's the technical term). Any airier RTA should work. I'm using the sjmy doggystyle RTA. @NolaMel vapes this way too, she will have more ideas on attys.

I mentioned the Siren 2 because if he finds a totally open air flow is too much, he can still reduce it down to his liking. I think there are a total of 4-5 different air hole sizes. I know some vapers who put it all the way down, and don't for the life of me know how they can get anything out of it....but to each their own. Its staying off the stinkies that counts.

 

[FranC]

@IDJoel Haven't read back yet much but a true NET tobacco should be a strong flavor.Steeping is required.

 

[FranC]

You may need a straight up nut to boost the pb.

Yes,That's probably a good idea.

 

[FranC]

Just what I said here:

It was a decent, if somewhat generic, pipe tobacco flavor. But, sadly, I wasn't able to taste any "whiskey" notes. Even though I had mixed this at the high end of the recommended percentage; it was certainly not an in-yer-face flavor.

I am at a bit of a loss, as how to judge any of the SM concentrates, because I have never used NETs before. I don't know if they are weaker, stronger, or what.

@FranC, the percentages you mixed at (compared to my higher percentages), are more in line with the few ratings and recommendations I have been able to find. I will be curious to see what you, and your husband think, once you have a chance to vape them.

I still have plenty of each; to let them continue to age. I will see what, if anything, time does for them.

Maybe just a drop, or two, of Acetyl Pyrazine (AP) to help bring out the "nuttiness" of the mix?

AP is a good idea also

 

[FranC]

What did you end up ordering? I’m interested in at least the custard that’s not available in the US. What other flavors are available we don’t get?

Well I placed the order because I wanted the Botanical Gin and Tonic Water. Had no interest in the Custard but I got FLV Pink Guava and VT Chocolate Custard. I would have got the 3 other flavors from my BCF wishlist but Chefs didn't have them.

 

[FranC]

The A+ Stixx Mixx I have is recommended at 6% to 10% but I used it at 5% and found it to be a pretty "in your face" kind of flavor. In the future I would keep it 3% to 5% max. I have a butterscotch/A+ mix yet to try and I used it at 6% so I'm thinking I may find it over-flavored.

Hoping not. I mixed at 6% single flavor.

 

[FranC]

This may well be the case.

Once it has aged to a point of stability; I intend to do a series of diluting tests, to check for over-flavoring possibilities. I just didn't want to wait for the entire aging time again.

I am also not ruling out the hardware factor (in my case) either. I have recently (3ish months?) moved from DTL vaping, to MTL vaping; and have picked up a new tank (a pair of the same actually), and dripper, that are better suited to this style. I have only built once for the tanks, and twice on the dripper. I feel fairly certain, that I don't have the "best" builds correct for either yet. Oh... and I have changed my wicking media, from cotton, to rayon.

I know I have too many variables going on at once; but I have to get it figured out sometime. This is why I am not prepared to say it is unsatisfactory concentrate; as it can just as easily (and more likely) be an unsatisfactory builder (me!).

Got anything with drop in coils?

 

[FranC]

Joel, Instead of going totally mtl(and have the feeling drawing a puff is like sucking molasses through a straw---sorry mtl vapers) you could do a middle of the road type of vaping. Many of us like what is known as a restricted dtl where we are using a mtl rta tank but the airflow allows us more freedom to draw from. To me this is more of a natural type of draw(very close to the real cigarette type of puff). Just a suggestion, but it does work for a lot of vapers.



eta, a very good tank that does just that is the Siren 2. You still get that tiny tug of a mtl vape but air flow is free-er....hope that makes sense.

I am strickly MTL and always have been. I like my air flow on the high side and I use tanks that give me that. I have tanks with RBA's and I have tanks with drop-in coils. I only use coils I can rebuild.

 

[Myk]

I do TC. Open air unless it's too open and washes out the flavor. Long DTL, short DTL doesn't matter. If I'm getting a sore throat turn the temperatures down. If I'm vaping too much take shorter puffs.

 

[FranC]

I have a recipe that has me stumped. Recipe is
Boozy Basil Rhubarb
FLV Basil .25%
INW Rhubarb 1%
FA Lemon Sicily .5%
INW Strawberry Shisha .5%
VT Scotch Whiskey 1%

So I'm finding this mix a bit too sweet but on the other hand it's not.

Also finding it too fruity but then again it's not

So I really don't if I have a problem or not.

The VT Scotch Whiskey takes over a mix at 3% but at 1% you can barely taste it or not at all. Maybe it just needs another !% Whiskey. IDK.

 

[IDJoel]

Joel, Instead of going totally mtl(and have the feeling drawing a puff is like sucking molasses through a straw---sorry mtl vapers) you could do a middle of the road type of vaping. Many of us like what is known as a restricted dtl where we are using a mtl rta tank but the airflow allows us more freedom to draw from. To me this is more of a natural type of draw(very close to the real cigarette type of puff). Just a suggestion, but it does work for a lot of vapers.



eta, a very good tank that does just that is the Siren 2. You still get that tiny tug of a mtl vape but air flow is free-er....hope that makes sense.

Thank you, @FranC; that is a wonderful suggestion. Unfortunately, I tried it with my existing DTL tanks (which have adjustable airflow; and con be made quite restrictive), and they either were "tight enough" and had poor flavor; or they had decent flavor, and were too loose. If too loose, I end up subconsciously, reverting to DTL inhaling; which is what I am trying to get away from. Minimizing my vapor consumption is most important to me right now.

I am liking my new Berserkers; I am just still learning what is the best build in it, for me.

@IDJoel Haven't read back yet much but a true NET tobacco should be a strong flavor.Steeping is required.

That is my understanding, from my reading, too. But, with the owner's response, I have no clue what I should be expecting at this point.

I'll give my testers another week "just because," and then I will try doing some controled dilutions/fractioning. I would not even begin to rule out the possibility, that I over-flavored my testers, and am suffering some flavor suppression.

Got anything with drop in coils?

I have an old Kanger Subtank Mini, that I think I still have a drop-in coil for. But, the last time I tried to take it apart, I had issues. I will have to look at it again.

I haven't used drop-ins, since mid 2013; I am way too cheap, and it ticks me off to pay the prices most mfgs. are asking. I am a competent builder (nothing earth shattering; but competent). It is just a matter of finding which build is going to give me the best flavor.

 

[FranC]

Thank you, @FranC; that is a wonderful suggestion. Unfortunately, I tried it with my existing DTL tanks (which have adjustable airflow; and con be made quite restrictive), and they either were "tight enough" and had poor flavor; or they had decent flavor, and were too loose. If too loose, I end up subconsciously, reverting to DTL inhaling; which is what I am trying to get away from. Minimizing my vapor consumption is most important to me right now.

I am liking my new Berserkers; I am just still learning what is the best build in it, for me.

That is my understanding, from my reading, too. But, with the owner's response, I have no clue what I should be expecting at this point.

I'll give my testers another week "just because," and then I will try doing some controled dilutions/fractioning. I would not even begin to rule out the possibility, that I over-flavored my testers, and am suffering some flavor suppression.

I have an old Kanger Subtank Mini, that I think I still have a drop-in coil for. But, the last time I tried to take it apart, I had issues. I will have to look at it again.

I haven't used drop-ins, since mid 2013; I am way too cheap, and it ticks me off to pay the prices most mfgs. are asking. I am a competent builder (nothing earth shattering; but competent). It is just a matter of finding which build is going to give me the best flavor.

The Kanger mini sub is an excellant tank. I rebuild the original square coils.Have the RBA's too of course.Tons of peeps are still using those tanks and love them

 

[IDJoel]

I have a recipe that has me stumped. Recipe is
Boozy Basil Rhubarb
FLV Basil .25%
INW Rhubarb 1%
FA Lemon Sicily .5%
INW Strawberry Shisha .5%
VT Scotch Whiskey 1%

So I'm finding this mix a bit too sweet but on the other hand it's not.

Also finding it too fruity but then again it's not

So I really don't if I have a problem or not.

The VT Scotch Whiskey takes over a mix at 3% but at 1% you can barely taste it or not at all. Maybe it just needs another !% Whiskey. IDK.

Sounds like you might be over-analyzing it. Vape on it a while and see what a longer session tells you.

Lemon Sicily always had a bit more natural sweetness (than say INW Lemon) to me. And, Strawberry Shisha always struck me as a very sweet candy-like strawberry (again... to my palate). I still have the shisha in my stash; but I rarely reach for it these days.

 

[Fidola13]

Thank you, @FranC; that is a wonderful suggestion. Unfortunately, I tried it with my existing DTL tanks (which have adjustable airflow; and con be made quite restrictive), and they either were "tight enough" and had poor flavor; or they had decent flavor, and were too loose. If too loose, I end up subconsciously, reverting to DTL inhaling; which is what I am trying to get away from. Minimizing my vapor consumption is most important to me right now.

I am liking my new Berserkers; I am just still learning what is the best build in it, for me.

That is my understanding, from my reading, too. But, with the owner's response, I have no clue what I should be expecting at this point.

I'll give my testers another week "just because," and then I will try doing some controled dilutions/fractioning. I would not even begin to rule out the possibility, that I over-flavored my testers, and am suffering some flavor suppression.

I have an old Kanger Subtank Mini, that I think I still have a drop-in coil for. But, the last time I tried to take it apart, I had issues. I will have to look at it again.

I haven't used drop-ins, since mid 2013; I am way too cheap, and it ticks me off to pay the prices most mfgs. are asking. I am a competent builder (nothing earth shattering; but competent). It is just a matter of finding which build is going to give me the best flavor.

Hi Joel I was curious as to why you’re switching over to MTL vaping to reduce vape input. Is it healthier? I started MTL then DL which I still enjoy but occasionally I like to have a more restricted vape too.

 

[FranC]

Sounds like you might be over-analyzing it. Vape on it a while and see what a longer session tells you.

Lemon Sicily always had a bit more natural sweetness (than say INW Lemon) to me. And, Strawberry Shisha always struck me as a very sweet candy-like strawberry (again... to my palate). I still have the shisha in my stash; but I rarely reach for it these days.

This was mixed a month ago so the tad of lemon has already faded away. I'll give it some mre vaping time but the fix just might be a tad more Whiskey. I really don't do well with anything fruit forward.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

The Kanger mini sub is an excellant tank. I rebuild the original square coils.Have the RBA's too of course.Tons of peeps are still using those tanks and love them

I am one of those peeps....Have several Kanger subtank mini's using the rba's in my daily rotation. You just can't beat those tanks. Airflow adjusts, flavor is top notch and no leaking. Can't ask for more than that.

 

[FranC]

LOL...that's it. I think I just solved my own problem.