One other thing I thought of is that I almost never user fruits without some sort of base or cream flavor.
All my flavors came from bull city. As far as the over flavoring aspect, if it was over flavored why would I only be able to taste it after adding a drop to my atomizer that's saturated in the commercial liquid? It's like my commercial juice has some magical component in it lol. I'll keep playing with the mixing in the mean time.
Also thanks to everyone for your helpful input and patience with me.
Get that ^^^^^^^^^ out of your head. Commercial e-juices Do Not have any kind of Magical Components in them. At all.
They use the very SAME flavors and additives that everyone who does DIY uses. FACT!!!
THE KEY TO DIY SUCCESS IS TO LEARN YOUR FLAVORS!!! ONE-BY-ONE via SFT's. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THAT.
It is very well known that commercial juices are over-flavored (high flavor percentages) and extremely sweet.
Using ANY sweetener in your DIY juice at high percentages (typically over 1%) will begin to Mute Flavors in a Mix.
Using a sweetener with an expectation that it is The Missing Magical Component that will make everything taste better = complete failure!!!
Again, the key is to learn your flavors BEFORE you ever start using ANY additives (like a sweetener).
Most DIY juices DO NOT require any sweeteners whatsoever. In fact there are a good number of commercial juices that do not use sweeteners.
Matthew Topolski lead mixologist (Head of R&D for Charlie Noble, Walker Trading Co -Vape Dojo, Tenbuck & more) has said numerous times that if someone has to use a sweetener over 0.5% (In Any Mix) they need to Troubleshoot (tweak) the flavors in their mix. No mix EVER needs more than 0.5% sweetener.
That ^^^^^^^^^ comes straight from an Expert who has created Numerous Top Selling Commercial juices. He knows what the hell he's doing.
With DIY you are attempting to Run - - - LONG BEFORE - - - you are able to walk.
When first learning to swim would you go out to the middle of the Pacific ocean and jump in with the expectation that swimming will magically happen?
Thinking that either is a "CURE" for bad mixes is a complete FAIL on your part.
Neither one is a magical cure for your experiments.
As a Brand New Mixer, you seriously need to start mixing with 2 flavors ONLY.
Beginning with a mix that uses 7 flavors, and GUESSING at what percentages to use, when you DON'T KNOW any of the flavors, is setting yourself up for total and complete FAILURE.
Don't know where you got that from - - - it is 100% wrong on both counts. --- Post the link where you read that.
EM is NOT a sweetener - and - it IS NOT a flavor enhancer for fruits.
You are looking for the Magical Cure All for your DIY experiments. There Isn't One!!!
Want the FACTS on EM?
Here they are..................
"EM is also known as Cotton Candy. Often referred to as a sweetener, though it really isn't. At low percentages, around 0.5-1% it adds body, moisture, and reduces sharp notes. It rounds off the flavors, and brings them out a bit. In other words, it reduces flavor intensity. 1.5-2.5% it significantly reduces flavor intensity. After vaping liquids with very high EM-content, many experience a distinct loss of flavor in anything else you vape, for an hour or more. Around 8-10%, it gives off a distinct burned sugar/cotton candy flavor, but without the sweetness of real cotton candy."
If you would listen to the advice you've been given in this thread you would experience success.
Hello!!! You are brand freakin' NEW to DIY and you do not listen to the advice given here by people who have successfully been mixing for many years.
You ignore the advice given here, completely do what you damn well please, and then complain about it.
And then ASK us why your "experiments" are failures!!!
And DO NOT think for one second that I am coming down hard on you!!! I am not. I am simply saying what NEEDS to be said.
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Good afternoon 
Just ordered a bunch of 10ml, custard, vanillas, cream, cake, cookie, coffee, waffle cone, butter, caramel, custard.. Ws-23, ethyl maltol.... Feels a little bit overboard but since there's so many options I wanna get creative and try out the pastry and cream fruits. Hoping the ethyl maltol and ws-23 will fix my flavor issues. I believe that's what I was aiming for vs what I initially ordered. Cause I see my juices don't have the menthol taste to them, they have a cooling sensation. And the ethyl maltol should raise up the fruit flavors.
I picked two mixes to be next, one is a Fluffy mocha cake and the other a Whipped oatmeal cookie.
79° and sunny, no breeze . . . mid to upper 80s predicted for the next 7 days 
She wants to turn the AC on, DD2 and wife say no . . . I was asked, I smiled and shrugged.
DD1 didn't care what her hubs said, she turned their AC on. Atta girl, take charge!!!
She wants to turn the AC on, DD2 and wife say no . . . I was asked, I smiled and shrugged.
DD1 didn't care what her hubs said, she turned their AC on. Atta girl, take charge!!!
I understand that you bought them from BCF. What I was asking was what brand of flavors like Capella, Flavour Art, Vape Train, etc. Not all flavors are as concentrated as others.
As long as it stays good inside I don’t want ac.79° and sunny, no breeze . . . mid to upper 80s predicted for the next 7 days
She wants to turn the AC on, DD2 and wife say no . . . I was asked, I smiled and shrugged.
DD1 didn't care what her hubs said, she turned their AC on. Atta girl, take charge!!!
I have the Mocha mix tanked so far. I like it so far. Tomorrow will tell better.
Almost ready for the other one.
Almost ready for the other one.
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