RANT - no one is doing anything to help themselves. Heads in the sand!!

[bluecat]

So, here is my question.

Is vaping no Nic - Same as smoking?

I see many people are using -0- nic e-liquids to curb eating disorders and aid in Diet. No consideration?

Depends.. there are similarities.. Do you mean cigarette smoking, pipe smoking, low tar cig smoking, cigar smoke, hookah smoke or ?

 

[Oomee]

So, here is my question.

Is vaping no Nic - Same as smoking?

I see many people are using -0- nic e-liquids to curb eating disorders and aid in Diet. No consideration?

If it goes in your mouth , gives off a visible cloud , "cheers-up" the user .... then it's the same as smoking .
Not my views but that is the stance taken by many .

I had a friend of mine rant against vaping on the grounds that it is an in road to smoking for teenagers .
Now I struggled to find an answer to his points given some local evidence to bolster his point .
If this news breaks it won't go well for us (I am not posting it here as that would be counterproductive) .

 

[Ken_A]

It definitely irks me hearing about E-cigs being completely banned. But what also irks me are the vapers who seem to feel humiliated about being sent to the smokers spot to vape,
when the main group of people that we need to do this "educating" of ecigs on, ARE the smokers. Instead many vapors seems to have this incessant need of wanting to educate non smokers all the time when they can give two sh**s about bans on ecigs.

I think people are forgetting the most powerful reason ecigs exist. To get smokers to stop smoking. Not this righteous need to be able to vape in every public spot possible...

You will have a easier time getting ecigs known to the world by gaining a large following. Vaping in smoking areas will pique more positive interests then vaping inside a grocery store. I'm sure of it.


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I vape in our smoking area and will finish my 30th convert this afternoon. There are times when the smokers out there feel like they are a minority these days!

We should remove drink holders from cars, because it looks like people using them for cola are drinking and driving.

And ban O'dules because it LOOKS and "tastes" like a beer.

I do the calls to action and I even JUST recently got a (ugh!) twitter account and am now doing those.

I know that there isn't much time before World & National Vaping Day. The idea only came about a week ago. I have email addresses in place and a sample of a short statement to send out. I hope everyone joins in this grass roots effort to inform the MEDIA that vaping works! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...orld-national-vaping-day-what-your-plans.html

I hope to see most of you at least checking the thread out.

Just trying to be proactive in a positive way.

.I never used my twitter until these.

? Which claim? I made two of them as an illustration as to how people just sit on THIER buts and complain their rights are taken away without doing anything at all about it. Are you one of them?



yes you went right over the multiple posts conveniently

your claim that this ban is anything more then banning Ecigg where reg ciggs are currently banned
your claim that people are not allowed to use ecigg on there own porch and front yard
I keep seeing these posts with no proof

it is nothing but scare tactics

I agree to disagree. This was a rant about the lazy people that just sit and complain or the stockers who don't care about anyone health, just their own comfort. Two recent examples out of MANY were used as illustration, not as a scare tactic. Since you want to keep disrupting the thread, this will be the last post of your's that I will respond to.

I usually walk away from these Rants. Understandably people get upset, but Assuming is just plain rude at the minimum.

What makes you think people do not do anything anyway? Because regulations are passed? Did you even read the articles posted about the Duluth e-cig use?

people do... Just not enough of us.

....

Instead of people preparing to go and speak for our rights at a council meeting minutes before a ruling is to be voted on they need to do some serious Promotional work.

Noise needs to be made the minute an agenda is revealed, Not after the final draft is completed.
Local media/Business/Neighbors All need to hear your side and understand your Views. The more attention a subject gains the more likely a favorable outcome can be achieved.

Off my soap box now. Getting hot

I totally agree.

 

[tinkrrrbell]

I do apologize for Duluth(I am from MN), saw the article and nothing could be done from my end as you had to be a resident of Duluth to have any say in the meeting.
I was heated to say the least but to be honest, there was nothing I could do.
Down in the cities and surrounding suburbs, the general public, police, local businesses, and even management of a lot of companies that I know of are in complete support of vaping in general.
I know it's not much, but it's a start. Soon these cities that have banned them, once the proper studies and blah blah blah come out, they will retract previous statements and laws governing vaping. It only makes sense. And if they don't, they'll have a lot of angry residents on their hands when it does become more mainstream in these places.

Speaking as a citizen of Minneapolis, I believe your understanding is correct. There are a few "high profile" places that have banned vaping - Target Field where our professional Baseball team plays and official Hennepin County property (which affects mainly the courthouse, jail, county hospital, and the library system) are two examples.

I can only think of one privately owned place where I've specifically been instructed not to vape, and that's The Depot in Downtown Minneapolis. I was laughing through my ......-off-ness when I walked out of that joint. The bar/restaurant is essentially a very large garage, the front "wall" of which is one huge door that's WIDE open when weather permits. So, you can smoke a cigarette on the sidewalk right in front of this gigatic door and that's no big deal, but you can't vape once your feet are not on the sidewalk. It's so stupid it actually hurts a bit to have to explain it.

It's just a darn shame about Duluth - it's such a beautiful city and a place I dearly love to visit. I cannot support their blatent disregard for personal freedom and over the top broadening of MN Clean INDOOR Air Act - so I just have to not spend money there and encourage everyone I know to steer clear as well.

 

[Janet H]

That's a good question, but how would you be able to prove that there's no nic? Well, I guess carrying the juice bottle with you maybe. I can see establishments currently not wanting to deal with complaints from people who think you're smoking. Maybe that's a good reason to vape with a mod so it doesn't look anything like a cigarette?

 

[Uncle Willie]

That's a good question, but how would you be able to prove that there's no nic? Well, I guess carrying the juice bottle with you maybe. I can see establishments currently not wanting to deal with complaints from people who think you're smoking. Maybe that's a good reason to vape with a mod so it doesn't look anything like a cigarette?

Janet, myself, I have always believed the real issue is "if it looks like smoke, your smoking" .. I know all the counter arguments .. however ..

Public areas, especially indoors .. retail establishments, hospitals, churches, sports venues etc etc etc really don't want to, and really should not have to, deal with the complaints that will and do come from the non-smoking public ..

Yes, it may make us feel like second class citizens, but it's difficult to combat "perception is reality" ..

 

[CommaHolly]

does anyone have a link to the actual written law????

I can't find anything on it,,,,,,

 

[HDVaper]

I think it's a DAMN SHAME that we PUT UP WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CommaHolly]

That's a good question, but how would you be able to prove that there's no nic? Well, I guess carrying the juice bottle with you maybe. I can see establishments currently not wanting to deal with complaints from people who think you're smoking. Maybe that's a good reason to vape with a mod so it doesn't look anything like a cigarette?

well, as to West Virginia,,,,,,,,,

here is what they consider an electronic cigarette,,,,,,

“E
lectronic
cigarette” means any electronic oral device, such as on
e
composed of a heating element, battery, and/or electronic circuit, which
provides a vapor of nicotine or any other substances, and the use or
inhalation of
which simulates smoking. The term shall include any such
device, whether manufacture
d, distributed, marketed, or sold as an e
-
cigarette, e
-
cigar, e
-
pipe, or under any other product name or descriptor

I still can't find anything in any law that says you can't vape in your own yard, though,,,,,,,

still searching.

 

[Amnesia1187]

My head is in the sand and I LOVE IT.

/fin

 

[tinkrrrbell]

does anyone have a link to the actual written law????

I can't find anything on it,,,,,,

I can't find you exact verbage either, but what is clear is that e-cigarettes are to be treated as a tobacco product. You cannot use them anywhere you cannot smoke a cigarette in Duluth, which is inside of any building that is not private property like your home, or in city parks or along the scenic waterfront areas. There is also some sort of stipulation that will prevent retailers from allowing people to test/sample e-liquid they have not yet purchased, but that seems pretty redundent to me since you already can't use e-cigarettes indoors.

If anyone knows exactly the wording, or can explain it better than I have, please chime in - I don't want to be giving out incorrect information. This is just my understanding of the ordinance.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I think it's a DAMN SHAME that we PUT UP WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than giving an immediate impromptu seminar (which may or may not work) .. going militant certainly won't further the Cause ..

And there does need to be limitations .. perhaps not to the degree of the analog smoker, but limitations none the less ..

 

[soba1]

I can't find you exact verbage either, but what is clear is that e-cigarettes are to be treated as a tobacco product. You cannot use them anywhere you cannot smoke a cigarette in Duluth, which is inside of any building that is not private property like your home, or in city parks or along the scenic waterfront areas. There is also some sort of stipulation that will prevent retailers from allowing people to test/sample e-liquid they have not yet purchased, but that seems pretty redundent to me since you already can't use e-cigarettes indoors.

If anyone knows exactly the wording, or can explain it better than I have, please chime in - I don't want to be giving out incorrect information. This is just my understanding of the ordinance.

If u dont exhale u arent vaping

 

[XeniaMike]

I like to write my congressman regularly, news channels, journalists, etc. On the rare occasion I actually get a response it's apparent that, unless a gain in money or power are involved, they don't care.

 

[Knosis]

I think at this point there is too much taboo that's latched on to cigs. I think as long as the vaping reminds people of cigarettes its going to carry the same negative connotations.

Personally I think nicotine and caffeine are rather similar alkaloids. I think the smoke itself was the problem. The problem is convincing everyone else that it isn't that bad. I'll be honest I'm a little more worried about the long term effects of PG and VG on my lungs than the nicotine.

IMO, we messed up by letting them regulate nicotine as a tobacco product. Its not only in tobacco and actually found in many other plants as well.

 

[Oomee]

If u dont exhale u arent vaping

From vaper to vapour ?



I try and do my bit , writing to local papers etc .
After that it may as well be in the hands of the gods (UK) .

 

[soba1]

From vaper to vapour ?
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I try and do my bit , writing to local papers etc .
After that it may as well be in the hands of the gods (UK) .

Thats all we are suposed to do is the foot work and turn over the results to a power greater than yourself

 

[soba1]

Also if u cant do this u have really no right to vent sooooooo?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pe-daily-action-plan-wednesday-9-11-13-a.html

 

[bluecat]

I like to write my congressman regularly, news channels, journalists, etc. On the rare occasion I actually get a response it's apparent that, unless a gain in money or power are involved, they don't care.

I write mine too. He smokes like a chimney though. I even mentioned in one that he should try one.. Probably a staffer now using a device.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I think at this point there is too much taboo that's latched on to cigs. I think as long as the vaping reminds people of cigarettes its going to carry the same negative connotations.

Personally I think nicotine and caffeine are rather similar alkaloids. I think the smoke itself was the problem. The problem is convincing everyone else that it isn't that bad. I'll be honest I'm a little more worried about the long term effects of PG and VG on my lungs than the nicotine.

IMO, we messed up by letting them regulate nicotine as a tobacco product. Its not only in tobacco and actually found in many other plants as well.

Although the regulation of tobacco products may have an adverse effect on the PV .. the good it did is really cannot be disputed ..

Require tobacco companies to submit an ingredients list of any product sold or imported in the United States

Require tobacco companies to make public the nicotine content of their products and to adopt standards of nicotine content and to reduce or eliminate other harmful substances present

Enlarge warnings on tobacco packaging so that they take up 50% of the front and back panel area

Regulate the use of terms such as "mild" and "light" by requiring that tobacco products conform to certain standards regarding these terms