I think you're not understanding the post. Its about both business owners and customers having options... not necessarily the poster's personal choices.
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I think you're not understanding the post. Its about both business owners and customers having options... not necessarily the poster's personal choices.
Yes. Ban irrationally and immediately is a very slippery slope. But it's one we're unfortunately already more than halfway down and the landing at the bottom isn't going to be pretty.
Ugh meant to reply to someone and lost to who. Sorry. But this is still true.
Ugh meant to reply to someone and lost to who. Sorry. But this is still true.
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e-cigs or vaping " does not make a smoker quit smoking"
Vaping is an alternative nicotine delivery system.. This is what the product "IS" (also alternative life style)
It will satisfy the urge for nicotine, you will want to quit smoking cigarettes when you realize you do not want to ignite a dried out tobacco plant and chemical infested toilet paper roll to get what you crave for...
You contradicted your self..
You stated vaping doesn't help smokers quit smoking. Then you are saying vaping satisfies the urge for nicotine which helps people quit smoking?
I think it's common knowledge that ecigs is not a miracle device that immediately gets people to quit smoking if that is what your getting at.
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that's all well and good for the businesses and the people who use the services,,,,,,,
but what about the employees?
why should you have to say no to a job just because the boss wants to bellow out smoke at 3 packs a day???????
I'm further south (Medicine Hat) but I've met a few people vaping here, I talking to guys at the branch in Calgary there are quite a few vaping. While not as common as it probably is in the US is is gaining here. At work ( large international company) H&S is ok with us vaping in the office.
Sadly, we live in a world where choices have to be made. No different than the people who choose not to work in coal mines, or other health-hazardous conditions.
Thanks very much for the info. Some of my favorite players have come out of MH. I was going to try to catch a Tigers game there, but the only game they'll be playing at home, while I'm in the area, will be on the same night I'll be at a game in Calgary.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserve neither and will lose both. - Benjamin Franklin" I really like that quote but then again, I work at a law firm. Tis so true though. Get your local picket lines ready for warfare in a quiet and diplomatic way if push comes to shove. 
And I hate to say it but I've sort of felt that a picket may happen eventually. Down here in south Florida I can get a bunch of our Vape meet group together pretty fast. That's why I also think its important to start up a Vape group in your local area and get united. It's just inevitable it seems. If there's not a local group started yet in your area, do it yourself! Advertise it. Word of mouth spreads over time and the vaping community is thirsty and looking for other Vapers locally. Go to the community location specific area in the forum and see if there's any groups in your state yet. If not, check into starting one.
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If an individual advocates a business be allowed to institute an analog smoking policy, yet the individual freely admits they would not patronize that business if they had that policy .. seems ironic to me .. since the business would essentially be alienating the very customer that insisted they should be allowed to have the policy .. and thus not gain them as a customer ..
IOW, the idea of the policy drove off the customer that insisted it be allowed .. as though they did not really want the business to do it .. if you see logic in this type of scenario, fine ... to me, it is devoid of logic ..
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserve neither and will lose both. - Benjamin Franklin" I really like that quote but then again, I work at a law firm. Tis so true though. Get your local picket lines ready for warfare in a quiet and diplomatic way if push comes to shove.
the quote is "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ...
he also said .... "I conceive that the great part of the miseries of mankind are brought upon them by false estimates they have made of the value of things."
Benjamin Franklin
I'd rather a business be free to choose what it wants to allow in these circumstances, rather than have that mandated to them.
If they make what I believe to be the wrong choice than at least they had the freedom to do so.
And I also have the freedom to take my business elsewhere
I think the word "freedom" is the key here.
Yes, I know it's a quaint idea, but I still like to see it as much as possible.
That's exactly what was used to ban smoking in California where it all started. No one is entitled to a job and no business should be expected to accommodate all the potential wishes of possible future employees. Its just ridiculous... employee cards and kid cards are simply avenues for the not so hidden ANTZ agendas. If cologne gives me a migraine, I can't demand the boss where I apply for a job not to wear it or ban customers from wearing it. If I think that kind of demand is reasonable, then my sense of self-importance and entitlement is way, way, over the top and my parents set me up for a bunch of problems in life.
working in a coal mine is an inherintely dangerous job for many reasons,,,,,,,,,,,,,that doesn't mean we should PUT UP WITH dangerous conditions that can be changed,,,,,,,,,,
in coal mines or in bars and restaurants,,,,,,,,in every work place, people have the right to as healthy an environment as possible. Not every situation in coal mines can be remedied,,,,,,,but smoke in bars, restaurants and work places CAN BE remedied.
If that makes me a liberal, so be it.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserve neither and will lose both. - Benjamin Franklin" I really like that quote but then again, I work at a law firm. Tis so true though. Get your local picket lines ready for warfare in a quiet and diplomatic way if push comes to shove.
Just because old Ben said it, doesn't mean it's Gospel.
you're right,,,,,,to a point. No one should expect an employer to accommodate every single request to ban every single annoyance,,,,,,
but for serious health issues (which smoking is),,,,,,,I do think I have a RIGHT to work in a smoke free environment,,,,,,,,,,
if you do NOT think you have that right,,,,,,,why is everyone crabbing about having to vape in smoking areas????
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