Rayon in place of cotton?

[bender817]

Really well actually, no wick taste, and no burnt taste on dry hits! There's a taste, but it's way toned down compared to the cotton I've been using.

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How much crud came off it during the boiling?

 

[Cromeus]

How much crud came off it during the boiling?

Nothing - I only boiled it in case there were trace amounts of chemicals from processing.

When you start cooking the rayon on dry hits, all it does is give off a nutty taste. It's not a good nutty taste, but it's not so bad that I didn't add in more liquid after it cooked a bit.

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[vapdivrr]

the pics looks pretty close to the hemp fibers I use.

 

[Cromeus]

the pics looks pretty close to the hemp fibers I use.

Also cellulose based

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[vapero]

so?... is it better than cotton? how's the wicking?

 

[Xcighippy]

Thanks for the great topic Cromeus. Looks like you and I are doing the same thing. I found out from the info you are providing that I am indeed using Rayon from vitamin bottle "cotton". Your pictures show the same results I am experiencing. No cotton flavor, no burning cotton taste on dry hits and good wicking. So far, looks like a winner!
O and the juice flavor is awesome.

 

[Cromeus]

Thanks; it only actually came up because my local pricemart had nothing else in stock!

so?... is it better than cotton? how's the wicking?

I posted time lapse pictures earlier, but if you're asking for something more, I'll try throwing some on a dripper with a dark juice and taking pictures while it makes clouds

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[eda123]

Nothing - I only boiled it in case there were trace amounts of chemicals from processing.

When you start cooking the rayon on dry hits, all it does is give off a nutty taste. It's not a good nutty taste, but it's not so bad that I didn't add in more liquid after it cooked a bit.

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Boiling may remove germs and help dissolve oils, but I'm not sure boiling is a process to remove chemicals.. Is it?


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[emus]

Boiling may remove germs and help dissolve oils, but I'm not sure boiling is a process to remove chemicals.. Is it?


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Not likely to remove all soluble trace impurities but dilution is a solution.
Not the solution adhered to by BT.

 

[inanitydefined]

where can these be purchased? I'd like to try it. I love everything about cotton but the cottony taste. Sounds like this might be better

 

[Tbev]

Subscribed this is great, you guys know only the rookies boil cotton, like that's going to remove the cancer part....

I hope this is different and works, I'll jump on the bandwagon, coil thread!

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[Cromeus]

where can these be purchased? I'd like to try it. I love everything about cotton but the cottony taste. Sounds like this might be better

Look for the medical grade rayon balls on amazon - though apparently they're also at staples. Don't get the cheaper grades, as they may be toxic

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[Ohms Lawbreaker]

Tried the stuff in a bottle of vitamins that I believe now is Rayon, first thought was cotton. Looks too perfect and has long fibers, unlike cotton. Tried it, seemed to work very well. But I went back to using regular cotton since there really was not too much of a significant difference in taste or performance. Maybe go back to it in a year or so, to see if any regular users grow gills.

 

[Steamix]

Draw your own conclusions...


http://www.minifibers.com/MSDS/MSDS_Rayon_RAFL-RATC.pdf

 

[Bunnykiller]

my views... if it has a "y" and "on" in the name it doesnt go in the atty

 

[Cromeus]

my views... if it has a "y" and "on" in the name it doesnt go in the atty

Right. Crayons make terrible wicks.

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[JeremyR]

Cromeuos I've been using rayon on and off for the last year and My best vapes ever have been on rayon.. Please come join me in this thread so we can collect our results.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lavor-saturation-nic-hit.html?highlight=Rayon

There is quite a bit of fear mongering about this, but I find no issue with it and it even has the easiest dry hit of all, better than cotton or hemp. You guys do know hemp is degummed with caustic chemicals right? All degummed fibers are degummed with caustic chemicals. The end result of rayon is a man made pure wick. You don't burn it because its wet, even dry hits are not smoking it.

 

[retired1]

There is quite a bit of fear mongering about this, but I find no issue with it and it even has the easiest dry hit of all, better than cotton or hemp. You guys do know hemp is degummed with caustic chemicals right? All degummed fibers are degummed with caustic chemicals. The end result of rayon is a man made pure wick. You don't burn it because its wet, even dry hits are not smoking it.

You may want to read up on what they use to extract the cellulose that goes into making rayon. Here's the manufacture process for the most common type of rayon:

Cellulose: Production begins with processed cellulose

Immersion: The cellulose is dissolved in caustic soda: (C6H10O5)n + nNaOH → (C6H9O4ONa)n + nH2O

Pressing: The solution is then pressed between rollers to remove excess liquid

White Crumb: The pressed sheets are crumbled or shredded to produce what is known as "white crumb"

Aging: The "white crumb" is aged through exposure to oxygen

Xanthation: The aged "white crumb" is mixed with carbon disulfide in a process known as Xanthation, the aged alkali cellulose crumbs are placed in vats and are allowed to react with carbon disulfide under controlled temperature (20 to 30 °C) to form cellulose xanthate: (C6H9O4ONa)n + nCS2 → (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n

Yellow Crumb: Xanthation changes the chemical makeup of the cellulose mixture and the resulting product is now called "yellow crumb"

Viscose: The "yellow crumb" is dissolved in a caustic solution to form viscose

Ripening: The viscose is set to stand for a period of time, allowing it to ripen: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + nH2O → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + nNaOH

Filtering: After ripening, the viscose is filtered to remove any undissolved particles

Degassing: Any bubbles of air are pressed from the viscose in a degassing process

Extruding: The viscose solution is extruded through a spinneret, which resembles a shower head with many small holes

Acid Bath: As the viscose exits the spinneret, it lands in a bath of sulfuric acid, resulting in the formation of rayon filaments: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + ½nH2SO4 → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + ½nNa2SO4

Drawing: The rayon filaments are stretched, known as drawing, to straighten out the fibers

Washing: The fibers are then washed to remove any residual chemicals

Cutting: If filament fibers are desired the process ends here. The filaments are cut down when producing staple fibers

Before saying one type of process is safer than another, look at the entire process from start to end.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Just for those OEMs that claim it to be 'bamboo'..

In early 2010, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission warned several retailers that six major manufacturers were falsely labeling rayon products as "bamboo", in order to appeal to environmentally conscious consumers. While rayon may be produced with bamboo as a raw material, and the two may be used for similar fabrics (though natural bamboo is not as smooth), rayon is so far removed from bamboo by chemical processing that the two are entirely separate.[12]

 

[Glenn_K]

How are you finding hemp for wicking?

I've seen hemp twine, and am tempted to try it out.

-- Glenn

the pics looks pretty close to the hemp fibers I use.