Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

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Sounds like about what I do, kross, when I rebuild or even just dry burn and rewick. Except I often haven't decided what flaor is going to go in it....

So I keep a bottle of unflavored, at my ususal nic and ratio, and saturate with that. Once it's actually filled, I can tell it's wicking well when the flavor comes in, and I'll start stepping up the power then.
I test/preheat nearly all of my coils with Neat/unflavored,, why waste good juice if I am not sure about the wick lol
 

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Hi guys, do you know how many meters of rayon does the 3lbs sallys box has in it? :)
I think its about 40 ft,,,,,,,,,,rule of thumb for ballparking your needs: 1 inch =1 week,,,,,,,a foot =1 year per atty set up.

edit,, I tossed my box and put my rayon in plastic bin,,,it didn't weigh very much,, so just in case,, if you have the big box,, its 500ft=152.4 meters
 

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It may be placebo but I tried Rayon (Cellucotton) a few times on my Kayfuns, but there is something about the taste I don't like. It's probably "too pure", for a lack of words. It seems to me that organic cotton gives a smoother vape. (I just came up with a crazy comparison: In the same way as I'd say coffee tastes "better" with using an actual paper coffee filter as opposed to using a re-useable gold/mesh filter). But may be entirely subjective and maybe I am just fantasizing.

Hi Flex thanks for stopping by.

There is quite a difference with Rayon. The vapor is different, you get more actual fine juice droplets in the vapor. I always likened it to drinking your juice... Doesn't get much purer than that... Usually if you use rayon for an extended time, like a week or more... Going back to cotton will no longer be that good. Some people like the taste with cotton or are more used to it.

Density is important in getting the most out of rayon. If the wick is too tight it will produce a muted flavor. If it's too loose it will lean to dry hit. If it's too tight you will taste the muting for longer than a little while. The second most important is thinning the tails. You can't leave a full tail like cotton or it Will Not work right. A huge benefit of using Rayon is the longevity of the wick and reduction in gunking. The benefits are always there if you decide to try it again.
 

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I think its about 40 ft,,,,,,,,,,rule of thumb for ballparking your needs: 1 inch =1 week,,,,,,,a foot =1 year per atty set up.

edit,, I tossed my box and put my rayon in plastic bin,,,it didn't weigh very much,, so just in case,, if you have the big box,, its 500ft=152.4 meters
There might be an inch or two after it's mounted and trimmed, but a good 6 inches is required to get the perfect fit in the coil. All depending on the build, the atty and how much primping and picking you do at the first.
 

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I only use bottom coil toppers, and cut my Cellucotton into about 2 inch pieces. Top coil toppers would, of course, need longer sections.

Depending on your coil ID, each piece, regardless of length, will be good for 1 or more whack wick jobs :)
 

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There might be an inch or two after it's mounted and trimmed, but a good 6 inches is required to get the perfect fit in the coil. All depending on the build, the atty and how much primping and picking you do at the first.
wow,, I use about 1.5 in in my avocado & SXK,, I use 1" on everything else. and I roll after flattening out my rayon. I keep my 'in use' rayon in a M&M candy tube,, I pull out what I need and recap/replace into my build box. .. I cant imagine using 6 inches...but its definitely cheap enough to use all you want/need. :)
 

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It's a ton man, 900 ft in 3lb... 500 ft is a ton.

Wow are you sure? Is it 900ft? Thats 274meters! I said to my cousin in US to order and send me a 3lbs box here in Greece 'cause i bought 1m from a local store and this thing is awesome. What an amazing wick, right?

1meter for 1 euro in EU. Damn they are making some serious money from rayon across europe. Jesus!
Thank you for the info Jeremy
 

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I unroll 1 med Delasco rayon ball and tear it down the middle, then tear each piece in half to make 4 wicks for my 2.5-3mm diameter coils. Each piece is about 2 inches long and that's more than enough to wick my tanks.

I don't roll my rayon at all, I press it together gently on the sides before inserting it into the coil. If it's too thick I stretch it out a little to thin it as it goes into the coil. If it ends up being too thin I remove it, tear it in half and put the 2 pieces side by side to make a thicker piece.
 

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Wow are you sure? Is it 900ft? Thats 274meters! I said to my cousin in US to order and send me a 3lbs box here in Greece 'cause i bought 1m from a local store and this thing is awesome. What an amazing wick, right?

1meter for 1 euro in EU. Damn they are making some serious money from rayon across europe. Jesus!
Thank you for the info Jeremy

Yes I'm sure, it's almost twice as much as the 500ft box.
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Highway robbery...
 

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Hi Flex thanks for stopping by.

There is quite a difference with Rayon. The vapor is different, you get more actual fine juice droplets in the vapor. I always likened it to drinking your juice... Doesn't get much purer than that... Usually if you use rayon for an extended time, like a week or more... Going back to cotton will no longer be that good. Some people like the taste with cotton or are more used to it.

Density is important in getting the most out of rayon. If the wick is too tight it will produce a muted flavor. If it's too loose it will lean to dry hit. If it's too tight you will taste the muting for longer than a little while. The second most important is thinning the tails. You can't leave a full tail like cotton or it Will Not work right. A huge benefit of using Rayon is the longevity of the wick and reduction in gunking. The benefits are always there if you decide to try it again.
I can attest to that lol! My wick on the KF V5 picture a few posts back worked great for 4 ml of juice still white/translucent (KU) but after 8 ml one side of the wick was fine & the other side had some darkening. I took a pick & nudged the rayon at the edge of the coil sure enough not enough density (it showed a space at the edge of the coil) but the other side with the nice looking wick had only a tiny space. So back to the drawing board, it looked fine, the density on both side looked even as pictured but alas it was not. I rewicked this morning, will check later to see how it's doing.
 

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I'm really glad I ran across cellucotton as my first try with rayon. I do rewick about every 3 days/50ml -- could probably go longer but it's a cadence I'm used to from my carto days (new carto every 3 days/18ml -- nowadays I run about 3X the power and liquid consumption).
 

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I feel lucky that I hadn't been rebuilding for very long when I found rayon. I didn't have long standing habits from cotton wicking to unlearn.

I still have to fight those cotton-centric habits, but I'm getting better.
 

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Anyone notice the 3lb stuff is thicker or am I going crazy? With my 500ft box I could split it down the middle and get the perfect amount for 2 3mm ID coils but since I bought the 3lb box I can no longer do that. Now with the 3lb stuff I can no longer split it in half and fit it in 2 3mm ID coils. I have to split it and then pull off some extra for each piece or its way too thick
 

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Anyone notice the 3lb stuff is thicker or am I going crazy? With my 500ft box I could split it down the middle and get the perfect amount for 2 3mm ID coils but since I bought the 3lb box I can no longer do that. Now with the 3lb stuff I can no longer split it in half and fit it in 2 3mm ID coils. I have to split it and then pull off some extra for each piece or its way too thick

Interesting. Haven't heard that. Also i actually haven't had Sally's from the 3 lb box specifically. So I guess I can't say for certain. :?:

We did calculate the footage by weight to figure 900ft. The box is considerably bigger.

Did you happen to change to a more flimsy wire?
 

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Yeah, its a lot bigger than the 500. At first thought that maybe it was just messed up at the beginning and thicker because of that(you know how it sometimes does in random spots) but several feet in and it's still the same size. I wish I had some of the 500ft left to compare side by side but its definitely thicker. Like I said I have to pull off a lot of excess on the 3lb whereas the 500ft split perfect. Usually at least enough for another single coil. Not bad necessarily but thought it odd enough to mention.
 

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Anyone notice the 3lb stuff is thicker or am I going crazy? With my 500ft box I could split it down the middle and get the perfect amount for 2 3mm ID coils but since I bought the 3lb box I can no longer do that. Now with the 3lb stuff I can no longer split it in half and fit it in 2 3mm ID coils. I have to split it and then pull off some extra for each piece or its way too thick

Haven't used the 3 lb version, but is it thick enough to split in thirds? That could be a bonus :)
 
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