Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

[tejas]

I thought that was the culprit! Thank you for the confirmation. Also as you mentioned, I think overwicking led to sometimes inconsistent vape.



Thank you. I'll go read the initial posts again. I think I went overboard with wick density because I was trying to be very mindful to "THICK IN COILS, THIN IN TAILS" rule.
Just before coming to work, I vaped like crazy to dry out my snapdragon.... but this thing won't give me a dry hit. I looked at the wick... and tails are completely dry. Fluffy bunny ears? (the wick part that acts like a reservoir) was like 95% dry.... and I'm not getting dry hits.
What is Rayon? Does it hide juice somewhere where I can't see? LOL. really happy I tried out rayon. If I can get density right and flavor gets a boost with correct density minus break-in period... I think I'll stick with rayon. I don't know how it will perform in tanks though. I will to some builds on tanks this weekend with rayon and see what's up.

Welcome the Rayonati!
I had to fight my cotton wicking habits, while dialing in the correct density in the coil. I am finally getting the hang of it, and you will too.

I'm running 6 tanks, all different, all using rayon.... it works great.

 

[Heartsdelight]

Welcome @Yoshiking ! You will love it here! As you can see everyone here is extremely friendly & helpful! We are a great family!

 

[Kaezziel]

I thought that was the culprit! Thank you for the confirmation. Also as you mentioned, I think overwicking led to sometimes inconsistent vape.



Thank you. I'll go read the initial posts again. I think I went overboard with wick density because I was trying to be very mindful to "THICK IN COILS, THIN IN TAILS" rule.
Just before coming to work, I vaped like crazy to dry out my snapdragon.... but this thing won't give me a dry hit. I looked at the wick... and tails are completely dry. Fluffy bunny ears? (the wick part that acts like a reservoir) was like 95% dry.... and I'm not getting dry hits.
What is Rayon? Does it hide juice somewhere where I can't see? LOL. really happy I tried out rayon. If I can get density right and flavor gets a boost with correct density minus break-in period... I think I'll stick with rayon. I don't know how it will perform in tanks though. I will to some builds on tanks this weekend with rayon and see what's up.

Yeah, it does a really great job at giving you ever last drop of your juice before it dry hits or burns... it is possible, though Definitely user error, if it does!

It works great in tanks! If you read through the whole thread, you'll find build pics by several users that are wicking tanks. I'm running rayon in my CoilArt Mage right now, also in a KFV3 Mini, Tesla Carrate 24, and Silver Play V2. The trick is figuring out the best way to work with the juice channels with each tank, because they all have a few differences.

 

[JeremyR]

Hello all, I joined ECF because of rayon thread. I've used many types of cotton before, and I use KGD most of the time. But I thought I give rayon(sally cellucotton 100% rayon) a try. I got about 2M from my friend. Just wanted to give my take on rayon after going through about 15mls on my snapdragon.

Pros
1. Humangous juice capacity. This was absolutely shocking. I think I was able to get almost double the pulls compared to my usual KGD. I think this is the biggest pro.
2. Obviously no dry hit due to juice capacity. Since I'm used to cotton, everytime I take off the cap to drip, the rayon is not even dry. I should be easier on myself and go through more pulls before dripping. This is great because no one likes dry hits.
3. Stronger throat hit. I don't know why but throat hit is stronger.
4. Slightly denser clouds. I don't know why but cloud is more dense.
5. Decreased crackling. Probably because density is high inside the coils
6. Clean. Wow.... My wicks are..... So clean.... ...?????!

Cons:
1. Long break-in. Maybe it's just me, but it took about 30pulls to break-in. The worse part is, the taste before break-in is absolutely nasty. I almost gave up on rayon during the break-in period. But after break-in flavor is nice.
2. Little harder to work with compared to KGD. It's probably because I'm new to it. It's not hard, but really different. It was hard for me to get the right density to tightly jam rayon but not too tight so that it will destroy coil form. I don't think I can do spaced coils with rayon
3. Vape sometimes inconsistent. I don't know why, but sometimes flavor gets inconsistent. Took the cap off but coil was ok, and rayon was saturated. Put the cap back on, and vape was ok again.

Another thing, I was skeptical rayon can wick with super thin tails as some of the pictures and drawings on this forum. I only used like 10~15% for tails, and how the hell this thing is wicking no problem when I'm chain vaping it... is just amazing.

Flavorwise, hmm.... I can't say for sure because I wasn't on my ADV juice. But at the moment it is pretty similar to KGD, maybe a little better on KGD. But I will try rayon with other setups thoroughly before I make any definite conclusion.
Rayon is really nice, and thank you all on this thread for all the great information. I'll come back to the thread after I get more experience with rayon.

Welcome yoshiking!

So glad to hear you joined Ecf due to the rayon thread!

15mls is a super short time with Rayon. Since one wick goes 1-200mls of juice.

It sounds like you probably just went a tad bit too tight. The more break in time and the stronger the taste - the more over density you went. It could also be due to the rayon not being fresh (scent transfer) or something transfered from your hands if they weren't clean.

This stuff has probably been covered, I'm just catching up with the last few pages but wanted to post right away.

 

[JeremyR]

I thought that was the culprit! Thank you for the confirmation. Also as you mentioned, I think overwicking led to sometimes inconsistent vape.



Thank you. I'll go read the initial posts again. I think I went overboard with wick density because I was trying to be very mindful to "THICK IN COILS, THIN IN TAILS" rule.
Just before coming to work, I vaped like crazy to dry out my snapdragon.... but this thing won't give me a dry hit. I looked at the wick... and tails are completely dry. Fluffy bunny ears? (the wick part that acts like a reservoir) was like 95% dry.... and I'm not getting dry hits.
What is Rayon? Does it hide juice somewhere where I can't see? LOL. really happy I tried out rayon. If I can get density right and flavor gets a boost with correct density minus break-in period... I think I'll stick with rayon. I don't know how it will perform in tanks though. I will to some builds on tanks this weekend with rayon and see what's up.

Your correct the vape cam get inconsistent if the wick is too tight or too loose. It's possible to overdue it or under do it but the great thing is, it will still be usable at a little lower wattage till you can redo it.

I only use spaced coils, about 8 wraps is ideal. The trick is getting used to how it is to work with, you can use the stretch method to make it tighten down on itself so it pulls through easier. You can hold the coil with your fingers, or you can use the 2 wick method. If you watch some of the videos you'll see some things. You want it tight in the coil, but you should be able to slightly move the wick in the coil still, with a good squeak being heard or felt..


And yes it holds an unbelievable amount of juice, something we don't talk bout much anymore. We're all spoiled with it now.. But rayon transports directly to coil almost protecting itself from burning till it runs out of juice completely. (when wicked to proper density)

I primarily use rta tanks 99% of my rayon career. it's even better in tanks, cures so many issues with them.

 

[Zakillah]

You can "wet burn" your fresh wick to avoid possible bad "break in" flavor. Wet the wick, fire and blow on it. Drip and repeat a couple of times.
Works for me.

 

[JeremyR]

+1

Yeah I blow a few puffs through, out the intake. I reverse vape a few to break it in. Lol

 

[atroph]

You can "wet burn" your fresh wick to avoid possible bad "break in" flavor. Wet the wick, fire and blow on it. Drip and repeat a couple of times.
Works for me.

Exactly what I do to get rid or the residual taste from my fingers or just prior dry burn.

Also ensures you don't have a soggy/saggy wick that will scorch due to no wick to coil contact.

Sauce that thing up and blow on it until your room is foggy If all looks well then proceed to set your tank or whatever topper and vape away.

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[Yoshiking]

Took a video of me getting around 60 pulls on my snapdragon. Sorry it's just boring video and loud cuz my kids are watching TV in the living room. I just took video because juice capacityis shocking


The flavor is on point. Wicks so clean and dry and no sign of dry hit after around 60 pulls. I had to stop because I was about to throw up due to nicotine and flavor started muting.
Also, I took out my old magma and wicked with better density and clean hands as suggested by you guys. Break-in took about 10 pulls. YAY!! petforming extremely well.

I have 2 KFLs, Aquav1,2 taifun gt2 in queue for rayon. Even though I wanna try out immediately, they have decent amount of liquid in them that I do not wanna waste I'll come back later after I get more experience with these tanks!!

 

[Mowgli]

The Aromamizer has holes in the deck to feed the wicks.
I'm concerned that if they're not covered then the level in the reservoir will rise and flood.
Anyone Ray On their Aromamizers?

 

[cigatron]

The Aromamizer has holes in the deck to feed the wicks.
I'm concerned that if they're not covered then the level in the reservoir will rise and flood.
Anyone Ray On their Aromamizers?

I'm yer huckleberry. Nothing but rayon in my aromas since day one. Heavy in the coil w/ about 25% tails remaining after thinning. Placing the tails over the juice holes will help to keep it from leaking when on it's side. I run mine with the tails away from the juice holes for max juice flow. No probs with flooding but it will leak when on it's side that way.

 

[Fozzy71]

I don't lay my tanks on their side but no issues for me with rayon in my aromamizer. It sounds like I do about the same as @cigatron does. Thin the tails but make sure they are plenty long for tucking in the deck base and laying over the holes.

 

[Mowgli]

I cut the tails down to less than 50% after taking those pix.
I just checked after a few more mls and the wicks had cleaned themselves.
The wicks cleaned themselves.
I read the first post in this thread (Pt. II) and Jeremy described how full tails allow juice to get heated and roll down to get reheated again, over and over getting more and more caramelized eventually forming crud. Cutting the tails down not only stopped that process but the tails are ....ing cleaning themselves LOL.

I only use Boxer Mods and RX200 mods that stand stable so I never lay them down.
I'm not too concerned about leaking but I'll see after they stand there overnight.

Self cleaning wicks. This ....'s amazing.

 

[cigatron]

I cut the tails down to less than 50% after taking those pix.
I just checked after a few more mls and the wicks had cleaned themselves.
The wicks cleaned themselves.
I read the first post in this thread (Pt. II) and Jeremy described how full tails allow juice to get heated and roll down to get reheated again, over and over getting more and more caramelized eventually forming crud. Cutting the tails down not only stopped that process but the tails are ....ing cleaning themselves LOL.

I only use Boxer Mods and RX200 mods that stand stable so I never lay them down.
I'm not too concerned about leaking but I'll see after they stand there overnight.

Self cleaning wicks. This ....'s amazing.

Welcome to the rayonatti @Mowgli and @Yoshiking

 

[JeremyR]

I cut the tails down to less than 50% after taking those pix.
I just checked after a few more mls and the wicks had cleaned themselves.
The wicks cleaned themselves.
I read the first post in this thread (Pt. II) and Jeremy described how full tails allow juice to get heated and roll down to get reheated again, over and over getting more and more caramelized eventually forming crud. Cutting the tails down not only stopped that process but the tails are ....ing cleaning themselves LOL.

I only use Boxer Mods and RX200 mods that stand stable so I never lay them down.
I'm not too concerned about leaking but I'll see after they stand there overnight.

Self cleaning wicks. This ....'s amazing.

Welcome @Mowgli

Yes rayon is self cleaning.
it's pretty unique in how it works.

I thought in the pic it looked like you could use a little more density in the coil maybe next time. The back side of the first photo it looked a little light. But you could still probably use that wick for a hundred ml. Lol

 

[Mowgli]

But you could still probably use that wick for a hundred ml. Lol

Juice too cruddy. Had to scrape the crud off the coils every 6ml or so.

Like the Alice Cooper song St. Vitus' Dance -
"your teeth are alright but your gums gotta go..."

I just recoiled/wicked it.
I cut the top half or so as close to the coils as possible.
We'll see how it likes a fresh build.

 

[vincom]

The Aromamizer has holes in the deck to feed the wicks.
I'm concerned that if they're not covered then the level in the reservoir will rise and flood.
Anyone Ray On their Aromamizers?

yup, agreed, too thin in the coil and tail too thick

 

[Mowgli]

Katherine Heigl vapes. She'll need to comb that sucker before wicking.

 

[Zakillah]

Yes rayon is self cleaning.
it's pretty unique in how it works.

Hmmm, if only it would clean the coils as well...

Coil gore time...4 weeks ~200mL.

 

[Katdarling]

Mr. Mowgli in da house. What a loverly sight!

And welcome to Yoshiking, too.