Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[awsum140]

After working with rayon, CC from Sally's, and Tencel in my little CE3 micro tanks for a few days I've come to the conclusion that rayon won't work well in the CE3. The Tencel does a pretty good job though. The problem is not a "fault" of rayon, but more of a direct result of how well it wicks. The CE3 is normally used on a stick battery so there is no way to up the power to handle the added amount of liquid that rayon provides to the coil. The flavor is better than silica, by far, but the vapor output just isn't there at all. I confirmed this theory by putting a CE3 on a Spinner and upping the voltage to about 4.3. That did produce great flavor and vapor but I lose the advantage of hands free operation that a stick battery provides.

Since switching, exclusively, to using either a rayon or Tencel wick in the devices I use all day, and that includes bigger VV/VW stuff as well, I have noticed I am coughing less. I'm attributing that to less throat irritation since there are no microscopic shards of silica/fiberglass being produced by the wicks. On the other hand, my liquid use has increased about 50% and is at about 10ml per day as opposed to 7ml per day on silica wicks.

Overall, unless there is some hidden problem with rayon based wick products that no one has discovered yet (which I seriously doubt) I am converted!

 

[Myah_June2014]

This may be a stupid question as I'm new to building. Didn't order Silica online as supplier was out. Figured I could find it locally, nope! I seen a post about bamboo size 10 & did manage to find that. My question is, Rayon is made of viscose & the bamboo is viscose so how close is this to Rayon when u have wicked it? Any feedback how this performs if you've tried it would be great. Ty

 

[dice57]

Well, had a rayon blow out inside the coil. Apparently I ran out of juice and the wick going through the coil like blew out, POP!!! After it blew, wasn't sure what the frak happened, when trying to vape it would make like a Darth Vaper inhaler sound, wooosh, wooosh, your puny rebellion will die!!!! or something like that. lmao. So running dry is not a good thing I'm thinking. Re-wicked it and tried again.

 

[JeremyR]

Your the first person to say that... Well I said on the first page you need to be an advanced vaper that knows how to keep a wick wet. Lol

 

[JeremyR]

I am having problems with my Kayfuns again, I am not able to pin point if it's bad wicking, too much rayon or too little. I feel like a newbie again AAAGHH!!

I get some dry hits, so I open the chimney up I see the rayon full of liquid, how am i getting dry hit? I try to fire without the tank, then I notice the middle of the coil starting to light up. I know the middle lights first in my microcoils, so it is natural. But I am still not able to figure out the problem, I might try to rewick with very small amount and see. By the way I never noticed the rayon shrinking so maybe until i see it, I am putting too much.

Aalwani, I think your still using too much that why you don't notice a reduction in size because you've got it packed dense already... Brian remember aalwani was going to use as more than ever. Use an amount that after an hour or two you don't have shoulders, but a straight perfect wick comming out the coil. Then it will widen a little.

Did you see the video of how loose I leave the fiber before I pull it through? I guess your not able to post pics easily..

 

[JeremyR]

The aunt Lydia's doesn't perform the same. It probably has addition modifiers added also.

 

[JeremyR]

posted by awesum
Since switching, exclusively, to using either a rayon or Tencel wick in the devices I use all day, and that includes bigger VV/VW stuff as well, I have noticed I am coughing less. I'm attributing that to less throat irritation since there are no microscopic shards of silica/fiberglass being produced by the wicks. On the other hand, my liquid use has increased about 50% and is at about 10ml per day as opposed to 7ml per day on silica wicks.

Happy to hear your noticing the health benefits i do. .. I believe its because your not burning the juice anymore which can create harmful things And harshness. Your finally getting pure atomization!!

 

[Myah_June2014]

The aunt Lydia's doesn't perform the same. It probably has addition modifiers added also.

Should I boil it?

 

[WharfRat1976]

I boiled...helped my cause.

 

[zipflint]

I'm having a bit of trouble with the learning curve on this stuff. I bought a box of the Graham-branded cellucotton (blue and white box) from amazon on a whim since it was something like $4 with free shipping.

Anyway, been trying it in my Taifun GT clones and I'm getting a lot of dry hits. Tried using more (slightly more dense than the regular cotton wicks I'm used to making) AND less and I'm getting the same results. I'm guessing it's got to do with how the wick is packed/placed in the slots in the chimney well. I'm pretty sure I'm just doing it wrong.

I've always built my Taifun with short tails just slightly poking out into the tank. 28 gauge kanthal, 5 wraps, contact coil. (I'm never sure if what I'm building are "micro" coils or not.)

I wasn't picking up much of a difference in flavor or vapor production, although it sure does soak up a lotta juice! The hits I got before it went dry were (IMO) approximately equal to cotton. So I gave up and went back to cotton for my Taifuns. I DID get excellent results in my 28mm Tobh clone though, so I'll still at least be using it for that.

 

[kojul]

I'm having a bit of trouble with the learning curve on this stuff. I bought a box of the Graham-branded cellucotton (blue and white box) from amazon on a whim since it was something like $4 with free shipping.

I have to ask, does your box say 100% Rayon Fibers on it? Because I couldn't find any on Amazon for that cheap.

 

[HolmanGT]

I'm having a bit of trouble with the learning curve on this stuff. I bought a box of the Graham-branded cellucotton (blue and white box) from amazon on a whim since it was something like $4 with free shipping.

Anyway, been trying it in my Taifun GT clones and I'm getting a lot of dry hits. Tried using more (slightly more dense than the regular cotton wicks I'm used to making) AND less and I'm getting the same results. I'm guessing it's got to do with how the wick is packed/placed in the slots in the chimney well. I'm pretty sure I'm just doing it wrong.

I've always built my Taifun with short tails just slightly poking out into the tank. 28 gauge kanthal, 5 wraps, contact coil. (I'm never sure if what I'm building are "micro" coils or not.)

I wasn't picking up much of a difference in flavor or vapor production, although it sure does soak up a lotta juice! The hits I got before it went dry were (IMO) approximately equal to cotton. So I gave up and went back to cotton for my Taifuns. I DID get excellent results in my 28mm Tobh clone though, so I'll still at least be using it for that.

I have to ask, does your box say 100% Rayon Fibers on it? Because I couldn't find any on Amazon for that cheap.

You have to watch out Graham makes CelluCotton "Cotton" and ChelluCotton "Rayon" you need to check the box closely to make sure you are getting the Rayon. If it is the Rayon it will be marked 100% Rayon.

 

[Elantis]

After hearing all this talk about the Cellucotton rayon fibers, I just had to give it a go, but had a heck of a time finding it. We have a Sally's Beauty Supply store here, but they didn't have any of the Graham Cellucotton in the store. I got really irritated trying to find it on Amazon, so many different vendors, prices, descriptions, etc. that I couldn't be sure I was getting the right product.

Finally just decided to buy from Sally's direct online, I think it was like 10.99 but with shipping and of course tax, I think mine came out to about 18 dollars for 500 ft. - more than I will ever need I am sure.

So far I have only tried it in my drippers, as all my other rebuildables are currently built with hemp fiber and/or cotton and filled, but I am liking what I have experienced so far. Ease of use, clean taste are the first two things I noticed.

I am looking forward to trying this on all my other devices when it is time for a wick change.

 

[zipflint]

100% Cotton.
NOT rayon.
Go me.
Derp!

You have to watch out Graham makes CelluCotton "Cotton" and ChelluCotton "Rayon" you need to check the box closely to make sure you are getting the Rayon. If it is the Rayon it will be marked 100% Rayon.

 

[Aal_]

Ok guys after troubleshooting I found out that my kayfun builds are all over the place. So identified 3 reason for dry hits which are obvious for everyone duh.
You have too much rayon: testing is by removing and holding the rebuildable, wetting the extremities of the rayon waiting the firing. If you get light in the middle it means you are choking the wick you have too much (i was against the theory of choking wicks all my life with regards to cotton since I never had that problem but with rayon it seems it is not a myth after all lol)

You have too little rayon: same as above but when you notice coil is lighting up after a while on the shoulders side first although still wet it means you have too little.

Your wicking is not good: this can be tested same as above and noticing the coil light up but as soon as it happens the wick should be somewhat dry.

So in my cases everything was wrong lol. Sometimes too much sometimes too little and some times bad wicking.

I used to have the perfect wicking with cotton and now you got me all wasting my time again like a first timer.

It is worth it, the rayon gives you cleaner coil and wick for a loooong time (my drippers), it gives you more saturation/wicking combo which leads to better flavor and ability to go higher in watts. So yeah worth it.

 

[HolmanGT]

100% Cotton.
NOT rayon.
Go me.
Derp!

I am laughing and crying for you at the same time.

I don't know what "Derp" means but if it is anything close to what I think it means that is about how I would feel in your shoes.

I only noticed it by accident because when I purchased mine the girl in Sally's tried to hand me the box that was Cotton and thank God I caught it before paying and walking out. And they put the two right next to each other on the shelf just to help you grab the wrong one.

 

[Elantis]

100% Cotton.
NOT rayon.
Go me.
Derp!

The way I ensured I was getting the right product was by the product number Graham's 44060 is the Rayon Fibers....

 

[JeremyR]

100% Cotton.
NOT rayon.
Go me.
Derp!

I would recommend delasco rayon balls or equivalent. 200 for 12 shipped. Much more manageable amount for one person. And more consistant than Sally's CCr.

 

[HolmanGT]

The way I ensured I was getting the right product was by the product number Graham's 44060 is the Rayon Fibers....

I sure wish we could get a sticky at the head of this thread that list some of these particulars i.e. "They make CelluCotton in Cotton and Rayon also the P/N for Rayon being 44060. There is one more thing to watch out for and that is they sell CelluCotton in a small plastic bag for cheap BUT it is the Cotton version... just another gotcha!!!

 

[Elantis]

I sure wish we could get a sticky at the head of this thread that list some of these particulars i.e. "They make CelluCotton in Cotton and Rayon also the P/N for Rayon being 44060. There is one more thing to watch out for and that is they sell CelluCotton in a small plastic bag for cheap BUT it is the Cotton version... just another gotcha!!!

Yep...that one almost got me, but I enlarged the page and read the bag prior to ordering.