Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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Man, you've got to replace those screws on your Helios because they will rust. Just FYI.

You can get stainless set screws, same kind of screws just made with stainless steel. I think I saw some in Lowe's but don't quote me on that. NAPA Auto would be another place to check, ask at the counter. They carry more uncommon stuff like that then the box stores, ie; Auto Zone, Advance Auto, etc.

FYI, stainless will rust, just not as easy as plain steel. My carry gun is a stainless 1911, I took the grips off one day and found a small amount of rust starting around the grip screw bushings but that was my fault. While in the car I slide in between the passenger seat and center console, one day I spilled my coffee with extra cream and it ran down into the holster. I immediately wiped it down, when I got home I field striped it, cleaned and oiled the gun but didn't pull the grips because it didn't look like it got on them but it must have, I may be wrong but I blame the cream for causing the rust.
 

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I'm familiar with this frustration. I'm new to fiddling with drilling / milling, and I tried drilling out the center pin with a cobalt 5/64th's drill bit with my dremel. It only went down about 4 mm's into the pin and after 1 hour more of drilling with no progress left me with a black burnt pin and a black tipped bit. I couldn't understand why I couldn't cut into it anymore! (And I still don't btw.)

I stopped being lazy, grabbed an electric drill that's older than me, (probably from the mid 80's) placed my bit in and BAM. My bit drilled through the pin in a minute, and same with the base. I can't believe I used to try to drill stuff out with my dremel. The amount of hours I spent trying to do so was ridiculous.

Here's a vid that helped me look past my stubborn self and borrow my dad's drill. Drilling out Kayfun base + Center Pin.

Edit, he talks about breaking bits while boring out the KFL base compared to 3.1. I had no trouble with my cobalt bit. It went through so fast I slightly hit the inside wall opposite to the hole.

Many people don't seem to realise that stainless steel work-hardens. To drill it quickly you use a sharp drill, low speed, lots of pressure, and a coolant (it's more of a surface coolant than a lube). An HSS (regular steel) drill bit is fine if it's sharp and a good quality one. I've hand-drilled shedloads of 16mm holes though 3/4 inch thick 316 SS flat bar* with regular drills (not tipped or cobalt) in my garage (no drill press) and that's a test of (a) muscle, and (b) how well you can resharpen drillbits...
* the chainplates for my homebuild 10 ton sailboat, which has 10mm rigging

The worst way would be high speed, blunt drill, light pressure, no coolant. That way you'll just case-harden the bottom of the drill hole :) A dremel with no coolant is about the worst solution possible. Also learn how to regrind drill bits, if you have to buy a new one every time it gets blunt than you're the store's dream customer. Like buying a new car when it runs out of gas.
 

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Interested in trying Rayon. Is it only available online? Or can you buy it at like walgreens/walmart?

I pretty much had the same problem,although my fault.I went to sally's and assumed when the box said graham cellucotton,that it was rayon.That's what i get for assuming,it turned out to be cotton.I went back,and they don't even carry the rayon at the store by me,just the cotton,so guess i will have to order some and wait.

Oh don't know what I was thinking walmart springvalley meletonin 1 mg is readily available at walmart and contains rayon filler. I just picked some up to compare to Sally's.
 

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The yellow brown color is due mostly to the current juice, it's wet, and the juice is honey color. If I pull the wick thru the coil it's definitely darker where it's Ben inside the coil but if I were to rinse it with water it would be very close to how it came out of the box.
I've noticed that my Kayfun builds get rather dark at the coil in comparison. But I could run at most 3 tanks through them before I had to rewick when using cotton. And a dry burn to remove gunk. I just replaced a week old CCr wick, not nearly the amount of gunk as cotton and the wick looked way better than my cotton wicks did.

But I've only gotten results similar to those Tbev got in my drippers. Wonder if the chamber of tank type atomizers somehow contributes to gunk buildup and wick life. Because the only wicks I've seen in this thread that look so clean are from drippers. Unless I missed some RBA, please point me to those posts.

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It could be the openness allowing the coil to cool faster. Where as the chamber contains more of the heat. I'll have to load up my oddy for another run. A way to prevent the heat build up with a chambered tank is to let go of the fire button a second before you finish your draw. Effectively cooling the coil and vaporizing the juice with that residual remaining heat instead of allowing it to cook on.
 

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Alright guys I'm gonna drop the bomb on you... This is 100% real.



1.3 ohm parallel 32, on stacked zmax at ~ 5.5v - 100% VG , no water!, 8mg, 2-3% hangsen tobacco flavors- mostly Arabic, Des ship, & gold&silver.

This is the wick & coil last Saturday after an hour vape.
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Get ready -

This is the coil today after about 30-40ml 100vg , I week later.

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This is on the real, still performing flawlessly. No noticeable gunk what so ever on 100vg. Even with numerous dryish hit due to trying to get the flashevapor tank to wick without mesh. PITA

Here's the same wick and coil after 2 weeks, 1.3 ohm spaced parallel, 5.5-6v stacked 18350 zmax v3 *at least* 80-90ml vg 3% hangsens tobacco flavoring no h2o... This is my adv and my only atty in use! No really much of any gunk on there really. I've been dripping for the last week because the tank wicking was annoying me.

 
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I don't claim to have exceptional taste buds. In fact, I'm confident my sense of smell is rather dull. And please don't mis-understand me; I'm not dissing rayon; I'm using it exclusively at this point and don't see myself going back to cotton. I'm just reporting my observations.

Observation taken Rossum. No worries, my posts do come across defensive Many times.;) I suppose depending on the power, coil, atty, and specific density you can taste some for a bit in the beginning. I seem to have good luck not tasting it but sometimes if I have just a little too much I can taste some in the beginning.

When I have one that tastes pure from the get go I'm leaving that sucker in as long as possible cause it's a really good one. That's how the one pictured above was for me.
 
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I'm in awe of how good rayon is. In particular on my Tobh dripper, using cotton I'd be peeking at it every so often to make sure it wasn't drying out, or get distracted and end up with a toke of burned cotton. Ugh. Using rayon, all that happens is that the vapour production drops off, and that's the sign to fill 'er up again.

I have it wicked in 5 different setups and am swapping them around like a kid who can't decide between chocolate or ice cream. Flavours are so pronounced with every toke. The wicks after a day are all as clean as a daisy, this is a major plus for me as I'm one of those lazy sorts who only want to change a wick once a week!
 

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Guys I still have one kayfun unconquered. The coil is 1/16 diameter and 0.8 ohms so running roughly at 18 watts. I need a confirmation that this is not working for anyone. If someone has this setup working please post a pic of your build. Of course I can make the tails very short and don't rely on wicking but my airhole is big and I don't want to suck my brains out. I will keep on trying tweaking with the density but I'm not sure I will get somewhere.

Well, have mastered the Russian months ago, and have perfected my iV-twin build on the Russian. Currently running a 0.40 ohm build on the Russian, vertical mounted inverted V micro coil, with wick thread between the /\ coils and wrapped around the out side with rayon fiber, pushing it at 5.5 volts, and must say, vaping Damn Fine.



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I pre-wet my wick with juice, and work it into the rayon, ramie, hemp,. and then form the fiber into a thick ribbon the width of the coil length. Once into my desired width and thickness, I then thread it between the coils with equal ends out each end. Then wrap each tail 540 degrees around the entire coil, fold the tails up and then secure the containment ring, tuck the tails in the juice decks fully saturate the wick with juice, assemble, fill and vape my azz off.

The reason I fold my wick tails up is so no fibers get caught up in the threads while securing the ring, not doing so can clog the juice channels and be the culprit to hit and miss wicking issues with kayfun/Russian style rba's. Least ever since I started using this trick, have never clogged up my juice channels. Just saying :lol:

I am planning on doing a more detailed write up on the iV-twin, alias the "Cross Eyed Snake Eyes Build" in the Romulan Warp Core thread my bad, that's right, J went with Vcore or something like that. But will post it there.

Jeremy, haven't built two same rba's yet for a side by side vape off yet, maybe with the Magmas and take them below 0.2 for some 90 watt wicking trials. But so far have built both the Russian and the Rose2 with the V-twin and rayon, both exactly the same build, and also in the Aqua at 0.18 ohms. Flavor is on a par with ramie, wicking is of the magnitude I receive from ramie also.

The main difference between the two is that rayon is more cottony, where ramie is more tubular. Both have excellent wicking potential, feel rayon is more user friendly, while ramie takes understanding and attention to detail. Frak, Ramie frustrated me for months before I figured it out.

Ramie is much more durable and heat resistant. You gave me a friendly jib about experienced vapers and all, when I told you about my rayon fiber blow out through the coil. And it was a loud PoP! lol. was like it vaporized along with the final drop of juice.

But what the other people that liked your jibe didn't know, I was vaping that wick at 75 watts, and this was my first time running out of juice with this fiber. Which has a totally different warning vape before running out than any other fiber I've used, well at 75 watts, once out of juice, the wick is sucked dry quite fast, so if you ignore the first warning vape from rayon, you won't get a second. lol The main reason I posted it was as a heads up to high watt vapers when first using rayon, to be alert for very subtle warning vape.

Here's a pic of Ramie after 2 months of solid vaping at 0.2 ohm's.

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I think that's a tri twisted 28 coil I had. As you can see there is slight scoring dead center, but no real scorching. Probably from the occasional tank dry, totally dry hits it had, since it's at the center. Ramie is very heart resistant, very durable. The ramie is in good enough condition was tempted to re-use it.

Hopefully will have time to do a rebuild on the Magma's, but they are vaping so well and only have a month on the builds so far, kind of a shame to end their life prematurely, oh well, all in the interest of science. lmao. Will report back when I have gained more experience :D :lol:
 
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Well, have mastered the Russian months ago, and have perfected my iV-twin build on the Russian. Currently running a 0.40 ohm build on the Russian, vertical mounted inverted V micro coil, with wick thread between the /\ coils and wrapped around the out side with rayon fiber, pushing it at 5.5 volts, and must say, vaping Damn Fine.



hx2NmWr.jpg

nkUzh7U.jpg

KEHikh4.jpg

HSGD1VP.jpg


I pre-wet my wick with juice, and work it into the rayon, ramie, hemp,. and then form the fiber into a thick ribbon the width of the coil length. Once into my desired width and thickness, I then thread it between the coils with equal ends out each end. Then wrap each tail 420 degrees around the entire coil, fold the tails up and then secure the containment ring, tuck the tails in the juice decks fully saturate the wick with juice, assemble, fill and vape my azz off.

The reason I fold my wick tails up is so no fibers get caught up in the threads while securing the ring, not doing so can clog the juice channels and be the culprit to hit and miss wicking issues with kayfun/Russian style rba's. Least ever since I started using this trick, have never clogged up my juice channels. Just saying :lol:

I am planning on doing a more detailed write up on the iV-twin, alias the "Cross Eyed Snake Eyes Build" in the Romulan Warp Core thread my bad, that's right, J went with Vcore or something like that. But will post it there.

Jeremy, haven't built two same rba's yet for a side by side vape off yet, maybe with the Magmas and take them below 0.2 for some 90 watt wicking trials. But so far have built both the Russian and the Rose2 with the V-twin and rayon, both exactly the same build, and also in the Aqua at 0.18 ohms. Flavor is on a par with ramie, wicking is of the magnitude I receive from ramie also.

The main difference between the two is that rayon is more cottony, where ramie is more tubular. Both have excellent wicking potential, feel rayon is more user friendly, while ramie takes understanding and attention to detail. Frak, Ramie frustrated me for months before I figured it out.

Ramie is much more durable and heat resistant. You gave me a friendly jib about experienced vapers and all, when I told you about my rayon fiber blow out through the coil. And it was a loud PoP! lol. was like it vaporized along with the final drop of juice.

But what the other people that liked your jibe didn't know, I was vaping that wick at 75 watts, and this was my first time running out of juice with this fiber. Which has a totally different warning vape before running out than any other fiber I've used, well at 75 watts, once out of juice, the wick is sucked dry quite fast, so if you ignore the first warning vape from rayon, you won't get a second. lol The main reason I posted it was as a heads up to high watt vapers when first using rayon, to be alert for very subtle warning vape.

Here's a pic of Ramie after 2 months of solid vaping at 0.2 ohm's.

L1BVOeu.jpg


I think that's a tri twisted 28 coil I had. As you can see there is slight scoring dead center, but no real scorching. Probably from the occasional tank dry, totally dry hits it had, since it's at the center. Ramie is very heart resistant, very durable. The ramie is in good enough condition was tempted to re-use it.

Hopefully will have time to do a rebuild on the Magma's, but they are vaping so well and only have a month on the builds so far, kind of a shame to end their life prematurely, oh well, all in the interest of science. lmao. Will report back when I have gained more experience :D :lol:
Dice your vcore twin double barrel is for sure a winner. Haven't tried it yet. I was referring to horizontal coils.
 

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Re-wicked the R91 with rayon yesterday using my existing coil (1.4 ohm 1/16 ID).

Used a good amount, with tension on wick to thin it as it pulled through was pretty snug. Fair amount of wick on deck (maybe too much). Haven't opened it back up to check coil fill or anything else yet - maybe in the morning after work.

Initial thoughts: With cotton, I would have to primer puff several times in the first few hours after topping off the tank, and occasionally during use. Haven't had to do that with the rayon. Still trying to find the right air/power combo, get a bit of leaking down the center pin (but not airflow adjuster or air hole).
 

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Observation on a dripper... I made a coil on a Tobh, single coil, 1.3 ohms, and tried out filling it with different flavours, burning them off one at a time to see if the old flavour persisted, which it didn't - RA to chocolate and then RY4. Thing is, inbetween flavours I just burned off the old one with a 30 second blast from a mech mod, changing the battery each time, and there was no flavour left behind. But! It occurred to me just now, having also used the Tobh for a full day, how was the wick keeping up with this punishment?

Answer : it's clear as a bell, no sign of toasting, no colouration left behind from old juices. Amazing. You can imagine what a straight mech 30 second blast of power would do to a cotton wick, using rayon it just evaporated the juice and was clean for each new filling. This stuff is just amazing.
 
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