Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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I once believed the consensus that the Russian wasn't suitable for sub ohm vaping, well 0.4 pushed at 5.5 volts is equivalent to a 0.235 ohm build being fired on a mech with no voltage drop. Pretty damn impressive, Just saying. :D :lol:

The reason it isn't really suitable is the piddly airflow, @ 0.235 ohms you need a minimum of 2.5mm worth of airhole to keep the coil cool enough not to burn up the wick.

A R91 has a 2mm external airhole diameter I believe, the only way it wouldn't burn is if you're sucking the hell out of it for short bursts and not chain vaping.

0.235 ohm @ 4.2 volts (mech/battery) = 75 watts

There is simply no way to vape a stock Kayfun/R91 at that power level.

I vape a Atomic at this level occasionally and the 3mm airhole is only 1.5mm from the coil and it will occasionally burn the wick even while still semi-saturated and pulling hard on it.

I don't know what device you're vaping but it must not be putting out the power it's being set on. Or have you modified the airhole diameter on the Russian?
 

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I went to Sally's and bought the 50' Length. Enough to last a century.
I'm using it with Dual Vaping Donuts on a Reo Grande with a Reomizer 2 at .30 Ohms.

One tip: I was having trouble shaping it for a coil, then I figured out that since it comes in tubular shape, I could cut it with a scissors lengthwise [Narrowing it] and I was able to shape the thinner strip more easily and uniformly.

Very impressed with the wicking capacity. After a squonk, I'm taking 20 second drags with no drying out. Flavor is excellent too. I have a bag of Organic Cotton I'm about ready to throw away as this is so much better.

I had to cut my nic from 6mg down to 3mg and thinking about going down to 1.5mg. Initially the first time I used it thought I could detect a chemical taste for 5 minutes. But when re-wicking a week later didn't taste it, so I'm not sure if I've just gotten used to the taste of the Rayon or if it's my imagination.

Best wicking material that I've used. It's also forgiving if you forget and take a dry hit.
 

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I went to Sally's and bought the 50' Length. Enough to last a century.
I'm using it with Dual Vaping Donuts on a Reo Grande with a Reomizer 2 at .30 Ohms.

One tip: I was having trouble shaping it for a coil, then I figured out that since it comes in tubular shape, I could cut it with a scissors lengthwise [Narrowing it] and I was able to shape the thinner strip more easily and uniformly.

Very impressed with the wicking capacity. After a squonk, I'm taking 20 second drags with no drying out. Flavor is excellent too. I have a bag of Organic Cotton I'm about ready to throw away as this is so much better.

I had to cut my nic from 6mg down to 3mg and thinking about going down to 1.5mg. Initially the first time I used it thought I could detect a chemical taste for 5 minutes. But when re-wicking a week later didn't taste it, so I'm not sure if I've just gotten used to the taste of the Rayon or if it's my imagination.

Best wicking material that I've used. It's also forgiving if you forget and take a dry hit.

I had the chemical/parfumery taste too,
but about 20/30 puff it wasnt there anymore
 

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Here's the same wick and coil after 2 weeks, 1.3 ohm spaced parallel, 5.5-6v stacked 18350 zmax v3 *at least* 80-90ml vg 3% hangsens tobacco flavoring no h2o... This is my adv and my only atty in use! No really much of any gunk on there really. I've been dripping for the last week because the tank wicking was annoying me.
Impressive.

I think the reason why rayon performs this much better is its microscopic structure.

Cotton fibers are pretty much flat, twisted ribbons, whereas rayon fibers are much more uniform with small striations along the fiber length being the only noticeable surface features.

That's probably why it releases juice this much better and in consequence doesn't gunk up so fast. It's also probably the reason why it wicks so much better. Don't think it's far fetched to assume that liquid (and vapor) flows along it's surface much easier and hence the capillary and surface tension effects happen much faster and much more efficient than they do on cotton with a highly reduced chance of particulates getting caught up in it.
 
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I went to Sally's and bought the 50' Length. Enough to last a century.
I'm using it with Dual Vaping Donuts on a Reo Grande with a Reomizer 2 at .30 Ohms.

One tip: I was having trouble shaping it for a coil, then I figured out that since it comes in tubular shape, I could cut it with a scissors lengthwise [Narrowing it] and I was able to shape the thinner strip more easily and uniformly.

Very impressed with the wicking capacity. After a squonk, I'm taking 20 second drags with no drying out. Flavor is excellent too. I have a bag of Organic Cotton I'm about ready to throw away as this is so much better.

I had to cut my nic from 6mg down to 3mg and thinking about going down to 1.5mg. Initially the first time I used it thought I could detect a chemical taste for 5 minutes. But when re-wicking a week later didn't taste it, so I'm not sure if I've just gotten used to the taste of the Rayon or if it's my imagination.

Best wicking material that I've used. It's also forgiving if you forget and take a dry hit.

You meant the 40 ft right.. And 100% rayon. Welcome to Graham Beauty

Glad you like it!! However you make it work as long as it tastes great and is less filling. Lol. I should say doesn't shrink away or stay too tight.

I had the chemical/parfumery taste too,
but about 20/30 puff it wasnt there anymore

That could have been absorbed in the store since the bag isn't sealed...? They have lots of perfumey chemicals in there. I can imagine one spill of perm stuff stinking the store to high heaven.

But the poster also said next time he wicked he didn't have the taste so it's likely it was the wick density being too tight.... since it has a tendency to shrink a little when air is purged; it can start off too tight and then break in to be usable.
 
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Still loving rayon on this build.
The other half even commented last night "WOW that smells great, do you have a new blend ?" "No, just rayon..."

One thing dawned on me last night and I remembered to double check this morning.
The first indication was not having to re-fill my Berkey water filter nearly as often.

There seems to be no 'vapers tongue' or dry mouth like I regularly got with cotton.
The only theory I have is the cleaner atomization of the e-liquid and lack of gunking up the coil is producing a cleaner vape.

I'm on the phone all day long and was previously drinking water like it was going out of style and popping oral demulcents like crazy.

Anyone else notice this ?


Edit: Additional observation- during regular morning driptip maintenance, there is far less partially vaporized dark liquid in the top of the R91 as compared to cotton.
 
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Dice - could you link to the post where you talk about the v-build? - Thanks

I've talked about it in many threads, think I did a partial in the Vcore thread, but once I do a current build process will link it here on this thread also.

The reason it isn't really suitable is the piddly airflow, @ 0.235 ohms you need a minimum of 2.5mm worth of airhole to keep the coil cool enough not to burn up the wick.

A R91 has a 2mm external airhole diameter I believe, the only way it wouldn't burn is if you're sucking the hell out of it for short bursts and not chain vaping.

0.235 ohm @ 4.2 volts (mech/battery) = 75 watts

There is simply no way to vape a stock Kayfun/R91 at that power level.

I vape a Atomic at this level occasionally and the 3mm airhole is only 1.5mm from the coil and it will occasionally burn the wick even while still semi-saturated and pulling hard on it.

I don't know what device you're vaping but it must not be putting out the power it's being set on. Or have you modified the airhole diameter on the Russian?


Um, on the original post in this thread that I made about this build, I posted my build and the device it was being fired by, the SuperMax. I'm running an original Russian, which was my first rba, with an 0.40 ohm coil. vertically mounted, in an inverted V-twin micro coil, 12 wraps of 22 gage Kanthal wrapped around an ~16 gage mandral, using high tension wrapping technique. Bend the sucker in two and wrap your wick between the serial dual's and completely around. Creating dual Verts /\ serial style. I then put it on the Max at 5.5 volts, works out to a tad over 75 watts..

The SuperMax is a 15 amp regulated box mod, that is VV & VW. In VW mod it can vape at a max of 50 watts, with a 5.5 volt max threshold. In VV mode it can run at a max of 5.5 volts with a max 15 amp continuous draw. An Ideal build of 0.3667 ohms at 5.5 volts yields a tad over 82 watts and 15 amp draw, and would be the max that Max can put out.

So yeah, with rayon and ramie wick I can and do vape the Russian and the Rose2 at 72-75 watts, and it is one damn fine vape. I have removed the air adjust screw on the russian, which does open up the air flow a tad, and all my air control rings on other rba's, have been removed as well.

but yeah, surprised the frak out me but it is one damn fine 75 five watt vape. I chit you not. Have no reason to inflate my readings or statements. 75 watts ain't really anything extraordinary, heck vape the Magma in the 90's. but here are two pics of the Russian on Max, one pic you will notice the ohms of the build it say 40 . Max, when first reading a build will read .4 first, then after a half second, will roll to the hundredths column, in this case 40 . The second pick is the voltage output setting of max, reading 5.5 If it was in watt mod there would be no decimal point.


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Have the exact same build in the Rose2 pictured on the TARDIS mod next to the SuperMax and Russian.

So yeah, when wick, air and power are all capable, I chit you not, as my word as an eagle scout, well, in the 60's, and on my mothers cremated remains, that darn tootn' the Russian does 75, and that's no jive.!!! Watts that is, vaporized Max-imized.

Just because there is no way you are capable of getting an Russian/Kayfun style rba to wick and breath properly at 75 watts does not mean it can't be done. I have done no modifications on the Russian, besides completely removing the air control screw.



Vape long and prosper...
 

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Still loving rayon on this build.
The other half even commented last night "WOW that smells great, do you have a new blend ?" "No, just rayon..."

One thing dawned on me last night and I remembered to double check this morning.
The first indication was not having to re-fill my Berkey water filter nearly as often.

There seems to be no 'vapers tongue' or dry mouth like I regularly got with cotton.
The only theory I have is the cleaner atomization of the e-liquid and lack of gunking up the coil is producing a cleaner vape.

I'm on the phone all day long and was previously drinking water like it was going out of style and popping oral demulcents like crazy.

Anyone else notice this ?
Edit: Additional observation- during regular morning driptip maintenance, there is far less partially vaporized dark liquid in the top of the R91 as compared to cotton.

Yes totally, it because now your drinking your juice! :)

But seriously I know I can go a long time without drinking now. Vaping vg it's like I just took a drink..

What you describe is one of the many benifits of rayon use.:)
 

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All my toppers have now been changed over to Rayon.

I did notice, while doing a fair bit of dripping last night, that my dripper can now take double the amount of juice between refills. I've just got a tiny, cheap, fasttech cheapo dripper (the YK1). On silica I could use a max of 6 drops and 8 drops on cotton. With rayon 12 drops are no problem at all. I could probably go higher, but that's perfect for me for a dripping session - I mainly use it just for testing out new juices.
 

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All my toppers have now been changed over to Rayon.

I did notice, while doing a fair bit of dripping last night, that my dripper can now take double the amount of juice between refills. I've just got a tiny, cheap, fasttech cheapo dripper (the YK1). On silica I could use a max of 6 drops and 8 drops on cotton. With rayon 12 drops are no problem at all. I could probably go higher, but that's perfect for me for a dripping session - I mainly use it just for testing out new juices.

I just noticed this too! I rewicked with rayon for the first time yesterday and today my origen v2 dripper took 43 drops 43!!!!!!
the origen paired with the rayon is a game changer for me!! I always had the itch for a reo for it's convenience but now I don't need it, I prefer to drip 3 times a day than to constantly squonk!

to give a better example I have to change my batteries every two drips!
 

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I just noticed this too! I rewicked with rayon for the first time yesterday and today my origen v2 dripper took 43 drops 43!!!!!!
the origen paired with the rayon is a game changer for me!! I always had the itch for a reo for it's convenience but now I don't need it, I prefer to drip 3 times a day than to constantly squonk!

to give a better example I have to change my batteries every two drips!

It really has amazed me just how good rayon is. At first I was sceptical, how could it be as good as organic cotton, within 2 minutes I was sold :D

I've managed to convert a few mates in the UK over to the joys of rayon too. Must admt, I'm squonking a lot less with the Reo too. If I could get rayon into a Vmod atty, I'd be in heaven :laugh:

43 drops is amazing, who needs a tank system :laugh:
 

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Appreciate it, dice - I did some looking around hoping to find a build tutorial but couldn't find anything, maybe I was using the wrong search terms.

Edit: Was looking for better detail on how you wrap the wick around - are you wrapping a tail around each leg of the coil, or wrapping each tail around the entire 'v'?
 
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Google is your friend... so is 'search this thread'.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...avor-saturation-nic-hit-271.html#post13558039

Yes, rayon is made with caustic chemicals...which are then washed out. Guess what...so is cotton (not to mention fertilizers and pesticides). Hemp and ramie are degummed with caustic chemicals, and you probably don't want to know how the nicotine you're vaping was extracted, either.
 
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Just checking in, still using the CC exclusively and still loving the hell out of it. Want to use some cotton just because I'm so used to the rayon for a sort of 'backwards analysis', but can't bring myself to do it. I LIKE not cleaning my coils every other day. Plus my juices have never tasted better, rayon is so good at what it does that I'm going to have to rework some of my DIY recipes because they're a little overboard in the flavor department with this stuff. Been at least a month of rayon use so far and me and my equipment are no worse for the wear.
 

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Google is your friend... so is 'search this thread'.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...avor-saturation-nic-hit-271.html#post13558039

Yes, rayon is made with caustic chemicals...which are then washed out. Guess what...so is cotton (not to mention fertilizers and pesticides). Hemp and ramie are degummed with caustic chemicals, and you probably don't want to know how the nicotine you're vaping was extracted, either.

And as usual I will add so are a lot of foods but I will not list them all. The processing is FDA approved and so is the food after the processing. OK - just one; Olives are and have to be soaked in lye to make the eatable.
 
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