Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[TruSound]

Thanks brother, but I think we'll call it the Wick Wizard...LOL

@ Jeremy, quick question...I watched PBusardo's wick material test video and noticed he wasn't using the 44060 Rayon, don't recall the number on the box but it wasn't the 060, has the recommended number changed or did he get the wrong box ?

And now it's official! When Truman joins the club you know your in the right place! Glad your on board bro! Sporting the official "Wick Master Magic Wicking Wand"

 

[BigLungs]

I think Phil had the 3lb box. It's the same stuff just a lot more of it.

 

[JeremyR]

Well, I'm a convert to rayon, after tryin' ramie for a month, and seriously considering KGD cotton. I do like ramie, especially when I 'got' how to use it, but I have to say, I'm a fairly impatient vaper. The one-half to one full tank 'work in' period of ramie -- as well as the 1 to 2 day wait for the fiber to fully saturated and really allow the e-liquid flow -- was turning me off of it somewhat, but I'd have kept using it, since I find ramie to be a far superior wick as compared to organic cotton, especially when the ramie's broken in. After all, once ramie gets fully prepped and saturated, it's an amazing vape, has clear, uncolored flavor, with incredible wicking capabilities... Which you get right away with rayon. I thought about goin' with rayon first, but I'm too... Experimental I guess is the right term... For my own good at times... Ah, well, now I have plenty of ramie to share with a few friends that're interested in it, so it's all good...

Always like your posts kgs! Welcome to the world of rayon.

 

[TruSound]

That's what I thought, just making sure I didn't miss something new...thanks

I think Phil had the 3lb box. It's the same stuff just a lot more of it.

 

[bsoplinger]

Wick wizard unless you get the optional alpaca fur beauty trim in which case it becomes the magic wand

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[Tbev]

I was trying to remember the best name for that thing and I was too lazy to go look so I started over n went overboard.

There are 8 or so variations of the boxes from Sally's, 060 n 043 are the ones you want, and one more maybe, the others look the same but are cotton or rayon that has a paper reinforced strip in it.

 

[mssam]

44043 is the the 100% rayon in 3lbs, $14 at Sally's...

 

[TruSound]

I'm here so infrequently these days Tbev that I forgot I already posted the wick tool...Jeremy reminded me.

 

[Tbev]

@the Faction I think... You must be working too hard buddy!

 

[slavkov]

Just another quick update on DM's 100%viscose
Go for the one that is like balls

Muuuch easier to work with and the strains are better situated

 

[MikeE3]

Can't say I didn't warn ya MikeE, that new coil puts you up around 20 watts.

Both pics are looking pretty good mike. How'd it vape?

Yepper - going from a 1.3Ω coil to .8Ωs on a mech mod, is game changer. I'm almost through the 1st tank and it's holding up well. I'll open the atty up when its time to re-fill and see how the wick is holding up. First impression - I'm in agreement that a bit more power is the way to go w/ rayon. I may have to abandon my 'common' 1.2-1.3Ω builds so I could use the atty on a mech or Provari and build specifically and stick w/ the subΩs for my mechs.

I haven't posted a lot in this thread but have kept up w/ it daily. Thanks jeremy and to all the other good folks here sharing their knowledge and skills.

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

Well..a few days now. Rayon still going strong....no issues....changeover from one flavor to another still impresses me. Almost no lag....one hit...next one (sometimes the 1st one) and I'm into the next flavor with little or no residual taste from the old one. Love this stuff!

Edit: I am talking about drippers here...

 

[awsum140]

I made some coils for a friend for her RSST, she has problems making/wicking coils. The first batch of four didn't work out, my fault. I didn't account for how the leads need to come off the coil at right angles, 90 degrees apart, for an RSST rather than the normal parallel lead arrangement. I made some new ones, wicked them up and sent them out to her on Wednesday. They arrived yesterday and she installed one last night.

She's happier than a clam! Tons of vapor and flavor. I had already converted her to cellulose with some rebuilt Protank heads. Now she's a died in the wool cellulose fan.

 

[PaulBHC]

I made some coils for a friend for her RSST, she has problems making/wicking coils. The first batch of four didn't work out, my fault. I didn't account for how the leads need to come off the coil at right angles, 90 degrees apart, for an RSST rather than the normal parallel lead arrangement. I made some new ones, wicked them up and sent them out to her on Wednesday. They arrived yesterday and she installed one last night.

She's happier than a clam! Tons of vapor and flavor. I had already converted her to cellulose with some rebuilt Protank heads. Now she's a died in the wool cellulose fan.

I wind the RSST like threading a nut on a bolt, AGA-T2 are the opposite direction for a single.

 

[Sptz]

I re-wicked my Russian and not sure if it's working that great. I think it has to do because I bought balls and they came a bit squished so I'm having a hard time trying to align the fibres I bought the delasco balls.

Any tips? And how thick to go on a 5/64 bit micro-coil?

 

[JeremyR]

Are you able to post pics?

What are you experiencing with the vape that's not great?

Not sure what you mean by align the fibers, are you having trouble unrolling them initially? If so lightly roll the ball between your palms along the direction of the roll.

Or.. is it too compressed when you unroll it. You can try pulling it apart width wise to open it up, spread the fibers, if its compacted, then kind of roll it back together with out compressing into a big wick.

In the event that you think the fibers are too densely packed... You can let the balls kind of air out with no package pressure on then they may fluff back out.... Lastly if you drop them in water (rolled or unrolled) they will expand and and then dry on some paper towels to absorb the water without compressing them. I used a lot of paper towels and the water will wick to the paper.

 

[Rossum]

That's probably the biggest down-side to using rayon -- figuring out how much and getting it right repeatably. I've been using it for a couple of months now and still don't always get it right. Here's a build I tore apart yesterday:

It vaped fantastic for one tank, but started tasting burnt not long after a refill and it was downright intolerable before the refill was empty. Looking at it, it seems fairly obvious to me that the burnt taste was coming from the center of the coil, which wasn't getting any juice due to the wick having become clogged. Yes, I was running a dark juice known for clogging wicks (mostly Bobas with a little bit of other stuff mixed in).

Anyway, although I love rayon, it isn't the easiest material to get right. That's no biggie in a bottom feeder where it's trivial to dry-burn and re-wick at any time, but in a KF it can be a bit of a bother.

 

[jakematic]

Precisely what I found yesterday Rossum.
My R91 center pin was wonky as well causing the meter to jump around and possibly erroneous reading on the VS and hence the amount of voltage it was receiving.

Re-wicked, stabilized, and it's vaping well again.

 

[JeremyR]

I have rewicked a few times with varing densities to ascertain the symptoms that occur.

Too loose-

I had a couple that were close and were good for about the first day then they went south. I was picking up a taste that was clearly the juice burning.... On a long open fire I could see the center of the coil drying. I had enough tail on the thicker side to pull it through more so it was tighter and bam good flavor back.

Here's one that flaked after a day

Doesn't look bad with a peek



But nudging the wick down you can see there's not enough outward pressure from the wick to evenly contact the coil , see than little gap.. . Nudging the wick showed a gap at the end of the coil. See How the coil is higher than the wick.. The coil started to take less power to prevent a dryish off flavor hit... this occurred after a day of it seemingly working pretty good. I had to volt down from 6 to 4.5 to avoid a bad taste from the juice burning.




My initial thought was, it seems like the wick is clogged..?*? Wth, but I'm using same juice as always.. It actually wasn't clogged through it seemed.. The internal wick pressure on the coil was too low. Causing the dryish hits. This was exasperated when I ran the dripper dry the first time on this wick, after that it lost wick pressure because the density was slightly low. Really just dry hits from there without lowering the power considerably.

I had long enough tails that I was able to just pull the larger wick tail in and cure it, it's vaping great again. Now if I nudge the wick down at the edge of the coil it doesn't budge much and doesn't have a small gap show.

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Too tight-

I did one that was too dense in the internal fiber. Didn't look much bigger but the piece had a compacted part in it that threw it off. Also the same if you use too much.. The symptom was muted flavor and a dry, harsher vape, that did dry the throat too. But seemed to wick ok. Just not a good flavor.

There is a perfect density that really makes it PoP big time. I have said that from my early posts in the Vcore thread.

Hope this helps. It can be finicky but when I nail the density it's good for 100+ml of standard 100vg juice in a dripper without any maintenance

 

[JeremyR]

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