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[Necrosis]

Been having a weird phenomena recently with my rayon and both my foggers that I used to experience in my kayfun cotton builds in the past. Wick, fill tank, enjoy to the end. Refill it, scratchy or dry. Prime it more, somewhat better but still wrong. Prime puff it until the chamber floods, blow excess juice out the air holes upsidedown, suddenly working fine.

At first I thought I was just messing something up and it wasn't forming the correct pressure between the tank and deck, like maybe trapped air pockets or something, but then I remember my dripper when it looked gunky, where a drop or two of juice on each shoulder magically cleared it out. Makes me think maybe when I flood the thing I'm reproducing a similar event of washing out those wicks making them function correctly. Hell knows, at least I found the wick setup that I like best in these.

Been curious if anyone has tried simply rinsing their wicks with water and resuming vaping vs rewicking. Been on my list of stuff "to try just because".

 

[DrByteh]

Just to share a recent exprience.

My KF3.1 was due for a rewick. So I did. Like I've done before. Everything looked good. Except this time I put it on a newly acquired Vamo 5s control head. Within a few puffs I got a burnt taste. Choking bad.

OK, I say to myself, screwed this one up. Dumped the rest of the load into a partially loaded KFL and created a new flavour! But that's not the story.

I checked the coil and wick. Everything looked fine. So I rewicked again. Half a load and stuck it back on the 5s control head. Same thing. Bad taste.

I'm a tech and I like solving problems. My first weapon is always divide and conquer. I try and divide the problem in two so I can say it's either this or that. Well from experience I put the KF3.1 on a battery powered Vamo and it was fine! Good flavour and lotsa vapour.

I tried other attys on the 5s and didn't have a problem. So it is just this KF3.1 on a Vamo 5s that is the problem.

This is a thread about Rayon/cellulose not Vamos, so I won't go into further details. I'm still working through the problem.

But I realized that because this was Rayon/cellulose that I quickly jumped to that as the problem. And it wasn't.

Lesson learned:

Just because Rayon/cellulose is new don't be too quick to blame it or your wicking skills.

 

[HolmanGT]

Necro,

"Been curious if anyone has tried simply rinsing their wicks with water and resuming vaping vs rewicking. Been on my list of stuff "to try just because"

No but I sure have been temped. As I said in another post the only reason I haven't is when I go to rinse it I think about the five hundred feet in the closet and think to my self you have to be nutz.

 

[zipflint]

Thanks! I was a bit intimidated by the build and wicking of the 454 but Todd's video helped a lot. It's the first real stab I've ever taken at vertical coils. I dig 'em!

Beautious pics zipflint!

 

[Necrosis]

Yea I know the feeling, I'm down to only 498 feet or so of rayon, which is still enough to last me for the moment. But it's less in line with supply and more in line with time and effort, especially in scenarios where I have people who's atty I'll build & wick, but they just don't have the time, patience, or ability to do it themselves.

 

[Tbev]

Been having a weird phenomena recently with my rayon and both my foggers that I used to experience in my kayfun cotton builds in the past. Wick, fill tank, enjoy to the end. Refill it, scratchy or dry. Prime it more, somewhat better but still wrong. Prime puff it until the chamber floods, blow excess juice out the air holes upsidedown, suddenly working fine.

At first I thought I was just messing something up and it wasn't forming the correct pressure between the tank and deck, like maybe trapped air pockets or something, but then I remember my dripper when it looked gunky, where a drop or two of juice on each shoulder magically cleared it out. Makes me think maybe when I flood the thing I'm reproducing a similar event of washing out those wicks making them function correctly. Hell knows, at least I found the wick setup that I like best in these.

Been curious if anyone has tried simply rinsing their wicks with water and resuming vaping vs rewicking. Been on my list of stuff "to try just because".

I dropped a mod with a quasar running 0.30ohm w/rayon in the lake, it took me a few dives and about ten min maybe to get it out, I re dripped and went on my merry way, tasted a little fishy but it was fine...

 

[HolmanGT]

I dropped a mod with a quasar running 0.30ohm w/rayon in the lake, it took me a few dives and about ten min maybe to get it out, I re dripped and went on my merry way, tasted a little fishy but it was fine...

If people vape "Bacon" I don't see anything wrong with fish. Yuk!!!

 

[HolmanGT]

Yea I know the feeling, I'm down to only 498 feet or so of rayon, which is still enough to last me for the moment. But it's less in line with supply and more in line with time and effort, especially in scenarios where I have people who's atty I'll build & wick, but they just don't have the time, patience, or ability to do it themselves.

Necro,

Yup I know what you were really talking about... and I may still try it. I have yet to pull a gunked up piece of rayon that with a little tap water rinse didn't come out good as new. Maybe a little tanning under the coil but if I had rinsed it while still in the coil... Oh He!! who am I trying to kid I did rinse in the coil and then figured I would vape most of the water out before re-filling. Caveat; let me tell you steam gets a whole lot hotter than e-juice burnt the tip of my tongue.

 

[Thayamax]

A while back my KFL+ started tasting a little harsh so I took it apart and rinsed the wick under the tap. It was so white and brand new looking...and I was running late for work. I patted the wick dry with a towel and refilled the KFL+. It took a few draws, but it worked and tasted fine. If everyone did that the Sally's box would last several more lifetimes.

 

[Tbev]

I generally rewick so I can dry burn, getting a new wick is just a bonus..

 

[PaulBHC]

I generally rewick so I can dry burn, getting a new wick is just a bonus..

Yep, usually the wick is fine but the coil looks like a mouse turd.

 

[Necrosis]

Yea, it's pretty much always the coil that gets gunked up. I seem to have two juices, mint chocolate chip and iced cinnamon danish, that don't seem to survive more than a single fogger tank if even that. Best part is they are flawless in my dripper using the same size coils

 

[HolmanGT]

Yep, usually the wick is fine but the coil looks like a mouse turd.

That is the only reason I do a rebuild with rayon. The rayon is like the Energizer Bunny and the coil looks like a Charcoal Briquettes.

 

[HolmanGT]

Yea, it's pretty much always the coil that gets gunked up. I seem to have two juices, mint chocolate chip and iced cinnamon danish, that don't seem to survive more than a single fogger tank if even that. Best part is they are flawless in my dripper using the same size coils

Hmmm... maybe it is the sweet juices that are the problem. Now don't faint but I use a lot of Black Licorice in my Fogger and I can get about three tanks before I rewick. Not that is it tasting bad but I start having problems with the way it looks.

By the way the Black Licorice is pretty sweet and the juice is crystal clear so it is not anything like what the NETs or WTAs leave behind.

 

[TheKiwi]

Anyone else find it interesting that suddenly no one has been saying that rayon adds a sweet note to the juice?

I personally never experienced it, so I was always curious

 

[HolmanGT]

Anyone else find it interesting that suddenly no one has been saying that rayon adds a sweet note to the juice?

I personally never experienced it, so I was always curious

Kiwi,

I have an opinion on that (but then I have an opinion on just about everything) I think for me I just got used to it and now consider the sweeter taste normal and the same thing for the nic hit I hardly ever get the cold sweats anymore and I have not reduced my normal 24 mg juice. Now if I use the bottle of 30 mg stuff I got my mistake from "The Vape Mall" well... WOW between the high nic and the rayon it is a real kick in the pants.

 

[Necrosis]

Hmmm... maybe it is the sweet juices that are the problem. Now don't faint but I use a lot of Black Licorice in my Fogger and I can get about three tanks before I rewick. Not that is it tasting bad but I start having problems with the way it looks.

By the way the Black Licorice is pretty sweet and the juice is crystal clear so it is not anything like what the NETs or WTAs leave behind.

Dunno, I'm vaping a raspberry juice in my other tank that's 8% stevia (once upon a time I lost track when mixing 8 juices at once). Everything else is my standard 1%. Unless there's different sweetening agents in some of the other flavors in question, but they are very dark juices.

 

[HolmanGT]

Dunno, I'm vaping a raspberry juice in my other tank that's 8% stevia (once upon a time I lost track when mixing 8 juices at once). Everything else is my standard 1%. Unless there's different sweetening agents in some of the other flavors in question, but they are very dark juices.

Well I sure don't know either. The licorice is pretty sweet but it is like real licorice sweet doesn't taste like any of the DIY sweeteners that I have purchased. Actually when I get it I have to cut it by a third with 25pg/75vg to bring down the sweetness.

Oh-well another vaping unknown but it doesn't change my opinion of rayon which is it is the best wicking material to date.

 

[f1vefour]

I think for me I just got used to it and now consider the sweeter taste normal

Exactly, you simply get used to it. Try the same juice with cotton and you will notice that it's not as sweet (or flavorful).

 

[Tbev]

I think, and thought when it was first published, that rayon simply brings out the true flavor of the juices, and much like coming from a carto tank setup to a dripper would. Additionally, I think it's pretty common that people running cotton were not getting the best flavor out of their builds in the first place and the versatility of rayon stepped up their quality of vapor that much more.

Either way, I too agree that rayon is king. I wonder how far thru my box I'll get before something better comes around...


I think it will be a while.