I read about all the problems with the Fogger, that's why I haven't ordered one yet. Now I have an excuse to get one. 
Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
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Yeah the v4 fogger is nothing like any of the older ones that's why this one popped off so big! That and BC I was head cheerleader, I mastered the v2 and spent a lot of time helping people with it but it was a huge pita compared to the v4, but with rayon I just threw it in the v2 for the hell of it and it's killing it, just as good as the v4 possibly better, it's a little airer.
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I read about all the problems with the Fogger, that's why I haven't ordered one yet. Now I have an excuse to get one.
I have a 2 and a 4.2 I love the both. Only running cotton at the moment, but that will change soon. I only run my v2 with a vertical coil. It's quirky sometimes but vapes great.
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I would like to try that. I need to find an insulator for my fogger v2 first, the disc that goes in the base to keep it from shorting out. Any ideas where I can get one, or a source for a thin delrin sheet or washer that I can use to make one?
Yeah I never liked vertical coils in anything I dunno why, but I was really impressed with the ease of rayon in the v2.
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The F-v2 an protank heads are the only place I get it to work. Ok in the protank, rockin in the F-v2.
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So I now have CC in both RM2's on my Reo's, in two Igo-L's, one Kayfun Lite +, and for the hell of it in a dual coil Igo-W...............gave the bag of organic cotton to the GF for her nail polish use, and threw the CVS Rolled cotton out since no one has any use for it (anymore).....
Im all in.
I havent been using more juice though, the opposite actually....at 12mg, the nic hit is so strong that I reach for my mods less often now...sometimes only for the flavor but the nic just makes me put it down. Going to have to order all my juices in 6mg now, maybe less.
Im all in.
I havent been using more juice though, the opposite actually....at 12mg, the nic hit is so strong that I reach for my mods less often now...sometimes only for the flavor but the nic just makes me put it down. Going to have to order all my juices in 6mg now, maybe less.
In for a penny, in for a pound! Or should that be 3 pounds!
Got a big box from Sally on Friday night. Imagine the shock and dismay on my wifes face when I tell her that we are going to Sally. She thought I had completely lost all my marbles.
Then, hilarity ensues when I'm dashing around Sally like a mad man looking for this stuff. Then I grab the biggest box they had since it was only $20!
The cellucotton is working amazing in the eXpromizer and KFL+.
Been vaping it since friday night and I have not grown a penis out of my forehead yet. We'll see how it goes, but this is WAAAAYYYY better than organic cotton.
If anyone in Canada is absolutely desperate for some, PM me your address and I can pop some in an envelope and mail it. But this is a staple in the beauty industry, if you don't have a Sally in your area, look for any sort of Beauty supple place and they should have it. Cellucotton isn't exclusive to Sally, it's just a handy place since most larger cities have a couple around.
Got a big box from Sally on Friday night. Imagine the shock and dismay on my wifes face when I tell her that we are going to Sally. She thought I had completely lost all my marbles.
Then, hilarity ensues when I'm dashing around Sally like a mad man looking for this stuff. Then I grab the biggest box they had since it was only $20!
The cellucotton is working amazing in the eXpromizer and KFL+.
Been vaping it since friday night and I have not grown a penis out of my forehead yet. We'll see how it goes, but this is WAAAAYYYY better than organic cotton.
If anyone in Canada is absolutely desperate for some, PM me your address and I can pop some in an envelope and mail it. But this is a staple in the beauty industry, if you don't have a Sally in your area, look for any sort of Beauty supple place and they should have it. Cellucotton isn't exclusive to Sally, it's just a handy place since most larger cities have a couple around.
I'm not vaping more because of not getting enough nic .. I'm vaping more because I cant believe how great my juice tastes, it's an incredible, juicy, delicious taste. I've been vaping for almost 4 yrs and never tasted my juice to be as fantastic as it now is with CC.
I hear yah, different folks and all, I was justing saying that for me personally, the increased nic hit makes me put it down, not that I want to put my mods down............the way my juices taste now, id rather just duct tape it to my hands
I hear yah, different folks and all, I was justing saying that for me personally, the increased nic hit makes me put it down, not that I want to put my mods down............the way my juices taste now, id rather just duct tape it to my hands
You could do what I do .. I lowered my nic down to 1mg and that way I get to keep my Reo glued to my hand and chain vape without ODing on nic LOL.
Ok, so, before you guys think I'm dissing the new wick with this little science fair, know this: I, too, have a box of CC that I will likely will two thirds of to my grandchildren . . . I, too, am enjoying it in 2 REO's and 3 R91's, only 1 dry hit that was a "failure to squonk" error . . . and, although the results of the science fair didn't work out, I know my test method has a defect, and I'll figure out how to correct it and retest. I'm putting this out there in case one of you other folks can correct it in some way and re-test. One of the best things about ECF is everyone shares their nuggets of knowledge with everyone else, advancing the whole community.
Here's the test: I wanted to compare how the wicking material I had in my box transported juice. The contenders were CC, Shiseido Cotton Pads, a pinch of sterile cotton from a ball, the ever popular Peaches n Cream yarn, and whatever the heck that stuff is that is sent with an R91 (silica?). Here's the setup:
The CC is at the bottom, going clockwise from there are the Shiseido, the sterile cotton ball, the P&C, and the silica. If you look, you'll see the defect in the test . . . that CC stuff, after you turn loose from twisting it to wick size (or rolling it) wants to head right back to the way you found it. Fluffing back out, spacing the fibers, hurts the wicking, and is different from how it is installed in a coil. The other materials don't do that, after a little rolling, they fluff just a little, but hold the shape/density better. I'm thinking if I can find a clear cocktail straw, I'll stuff each of these up into about an inch of it and repeat this test. Anyhow, here's what happened when I put a nice dark juice in:
The one that's climbing so high so fast is the Shiseido, it wicked the fastest of all.
Second highest was, surprisingly, the P&C. You can see the CC in this pic, and can see the looseness of the "wick." Oh, that silica stuff is a dog, you don't wanna wick with that.
Better shot of the CC. Bet if we can jam that stuff together like a real wick, it'll shine.
That was the wicking up test, how about a wicking over test? Can't add more photos in the post, followup coming . . .
Here's the test: I wanted to compare how the wicking material I had in my box transported juice. The contenders were CC, Shiseido Cotton Pads, a pinch of sterile cotton from a ball, the ever popular Peaches n Cream yarn, and whatever the heck that stuff is that is sent with an R91 (silica?). Here's the setup:
The CC is at the bottom, going clockwise from there are the Shiseido, the sterile cotton ball, the P&C, and the silica. If you look, you'll see the defect in the test . . . that CC stuff, after you turn loose from twisting it to wick size (or rolling it) wants to head right back to the way you found it. Fluffing back out, spacing the fibers, hurts the wicking, and is different from how it is installed in a coil. The other materials don't do that, after a little rolling, they fluff just a little, but hold the shape/density better. I'm thinking if I can find a clear cocktail straw, I'll stuff each of these up into about an inch of it and repeat this test. Anyhow, here's what happened when I put a nice dark juice in:
The one that's climbing so high so fast is the Shiseido, it wicked the fastest of all.
Second highest was, surprisingly, the P&C. You can see the CC in this pic, and can see the looseness of the "wick." Oh, that silica stuff is a dog, you don't wanna wick with that.
Better shot of the CC. Bet if we can jam that stuff together like a real wick, it'll shine.
That was the wicking up test, how about a wicking over test? Can't add more photos in the post, followup coming . . .
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Interesting test. I've always preferred P&C yarn to cotton balls, based solely on experience.
Picked up a box of CC today from Sally's. Couldn't believe how big the box was. Between this, my box of hemp, and my box of ramie, I could knit a blanket big enough to cover North America. :S
Cleaned out my Rose, as I was getting sick of the flavor I had in it, and threw in some CC. Surprisingly easy to work with. Much more forgiving than those stupid cotton balls, though not quite as easy as yarn. Wicking away "quite the thing". Great flavor, no dry hits, however.. the throat hit from this stuff is insane. I suppose I could lower my nic, but I've got a shelf full of 6mg already. hrmm what to do.
Conclusion: easy to work with, clean flavor, wicks great, strong throat hit.
Picked up a box of CC today from Sally's. Couldn't believe how big the box was. Between this, my box of hemp, and my box of ramie, I could knit a blanket big enough to cover North America. :S
Cleaned out my Rose, as I was getting sick of the flavor I had in it, and threw in some CC. Surprisingly easy to work with. Much more forgiving than those stupid cotton balls, though not quite as easy as yarn. Wicking away "quite the thing". Great flavor, no dry hits, however.. the throat hit from this stuff is insane. I suppose I could lower my nic, but I've got a shelf full of 6mg already. hrmm what to do.
Conclusion: easy to work with, clean flavor, wicks great, strong throat hit.
The wicking over test . . . for this, I simply set a spoon up, filled it to the rim with juice (for each test), and laid the tail of the wick into the juice, stopping at 5 minutes. Here's the CC:
Better, but not the best.
The Sterile Cotton Ball:
Not shabby at all.
The P & C
Meh.
The silica:
Don't wick with that stuff . . .
Here's the Shiseido:
While I am a believer that the CC is the best wicking material based on device performance for me, that Shiseido stuff is a very solid wick if you get it right. It is no wonder that and the KGD are so popular. I just got the blooming stuff and re-wicked my PT's with it before this thread blew up (dangit).
There you have it, an invalid lab test (lol), to be built upon by the vaping community. If you leave it to me, I'm gonna have to drink cocktails until I get one with a clear straw. I'll cut a half inch to an inch, and we'll have another wick race.
Better, but not the best.
The Sterile Cotton Ball:
Not shabby at all.
The P & C
Meh.
The silica:
Don't wick with that stuff . . .
Here's the Shiseido:
While I am a believer that the CC is the best wicking material based on device performance for me, that Shiseido stuff is a very solid wick if you get it right. It is no wonder that and the KGD are so popular. I just got the blooming stuff and re-wicked my PT's with it before this thread blew up (dangit).
There you have it, an invalid lab test (lol), to be built upon by the vaping community. If you leave it to me, I'm gonna have to drink cocktails until I get one with a clear straw. I'll cut a half inch to an inch, and we'll have another wick race.
I can't believe how this 'Sally gets around!
There are so many stores it's ridiculous.
Did a search 200 mi from Frankfurt Germany and like 20+ locations showed up.
Enter your information an see if there's one in a city near you.
http://stores.sallybeauty.com/default.aspx
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Alright, turned a couple people onto this stuff. One had already been experimenting with ramie and enjoying everything but installing it as wicking material.
I hope Sally is ready, this is but the Dawn of Rayon.
I hope Sally is ready, this is but the Dawn of Rayon.
"One of the best things about ECF is everyone shares their nuggets of knowledge with everyone else, advancing the whole community"
That's what I've always seen this community as and why I enjoy it here so much.
The part of your test that's flawed is it only shows how much the wick will absorb into itself. Cotton ball looks to absorb more than rayon but we all know rayon works better for us... what we're saying is the big difference is the way rayon releases The juice to the coil it doesn't hold it.
It's more like a plumbing pipe running straight to your coil. it's not so much that it absorbs But That it transports to the heat. You don't burn the rayon with a coil to burn the juice inside like cotton. The rayon floods the juice onto the coil instead. What good is the juice if it's absorbed into a cotton wick you need it on your coil.
The only true test is equal coils and wicks lit up at same power. Leave 1 inch tails.. burn them record results, draining of the wick characteristics, transportation visible In the wick, dryness of wick when vapor production decreases. And what point the wick burns so that you smell that cotton start to light up. I could probably add more, but it would have to be real world. And you already have it in your attys.
One very interesting thing and probably the most telling is having it in a dripper, pull the top off every hit when your getting towards the end. You see the wick drying but your vape is still wet. Cotton dry hit the tails are still wet.
It's clear to us that some mysterious force causes it to get more juice on the coil in real world use.
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