Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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whoa... this is pretty amazing... Straight away flavor and more flavor, without a cotton taste. fresh .9 ohm coil out of 27 awg, on a igo-w, first time wicking with rayon and its very impressive. im ten puffs in and needed a quick nic break... im super impressed, I used to dread rewicking with cotton, knowing there would be a little cotton flavor for the first few rips...my first hit on this was just my juice flavor, nothing else. Its downright fantastic so far. I will see how long this wick lasts and I shall report my findings.

Thinking of trying rayon?...DO IT....
 

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Just recoiled and wicked my wife's evod quick this morning.

5 wrap 32g 1/16 non contact coil , 1.8 ohms on a 650 ego.. Wow performs brilliantly.

Just tot off a piece that looked twice as big as the coil, pointed the end pulled it though slides easily. No over wick just left it. Well see how the rayon does at holding the juice. No fiddling with over wick size or nothing. 100% vg.. I'll see if she has any problems today.. I don't expect any this stuff never ceases to amaze me.
 

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Just recoiled and wicked my wife's evod quick this morning.

5 wrap 32g 1/16 non contact coil , 1.8 ohms on a 650 ego.. Wow performs brilliantly.

Just tot off a piece that looked twice as big as the coil, pointed the end pulled it though slides easily. No over wick just left it. Well see how the rayon does at holding the juice. No fiddling with over wick size or nothing. 100% vg.. I'll see if she has any problems today.. I don't expect any this stuff never ceases to amaze me.

yeah. im setting up my boss for vaping. today im going to dust off the protanks and mvp's and set them up

when i first got into rebuilding, i was gaga over it on protanks. going to be funny to see how it is on rayon
 

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Well since buying my box of CC on Friday, I've wicked up two of my daily drivers and kept one in my standard setting. Here is my test group:
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Left: REO grand mech and cyclone with 29 ga .055" ID micro coil at around 1.5 ohms wicked with CC. Wick was installed Saturday morning.

Center: REO 18650 woodvil (it's basically a mech with a couple of wires - it's not regulated) and chalice with 29 ga .055" ID micro coil at around 1.2 ohms wicked with KGD. Wick was installed about 5 days ago.

Right: pdib OliveR mech and chalice with 29 ga .055" ID micro coil at around 1.3 ohms wicked with CC. Wick was installed Friday night after a few different density wicks were tried.


Here are the wicked configs: CC left, CC Center, KGD right:
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I will preface these ramblings stating that I have used exclusively cotton since I began RB'ing A's in early 2013. The cotton I started with and used for over a year was CVS sterile rolled USP. I switched to KGD about 2 months ago.

I did a brief (like a week) stint with Nextel Ceramic in maybe mid 2013? But could never get comfortable with the chemicals applied during the manufacturing process, the fact that it was silicate and the white dust it left on my hands. It was all PIFed to others. It also, to me produced a very wet vape.

It is also important to note that I am generally a big puss when it comes to ingesting anything known to be hazardous or thought to be even though I smoked for over 30 years :) that's just my choice and I'm good with it. So are my wife and young children :)

So I gave up vaping any brass to the greatest possible extent and any that has to be in the juice stream (like the nipples on my feeders) are pickled to remove surface lead.

I also use exclusively feeders where I just thumb an onboard bottle and juice is delivered to my coil / wick and the excess drains out. I run very short wick tails and I feed about every hit or two. I note this because I do not rely on wicking and I am not looking for more puffs between feeds (cause I like fresh juice) :)

I vape exclusively unflavored nic base. These days it's 6mg in like 95% VG / 5% pg. I note this because it tastes the same regardless of wicking media to me. It is also extremely kind to your vape gear. No coil gunk or wick buildup and my wick will stay mostly uncolored for over a week. I change my wicks weekly because I get bored. Even if they lasted longer, I'd still change em cause I like stuff clean.

I have mastered wicking with cotton and have never burned a wick and using KGD I get zero cotton flavor even on the first hit. I like fairly light TH and I made my vape basically duplicate the experience of smoking Marlboro lights.

I also like stuff very simple with consistently repeatable results.

As you can see, I'm different than the average vaper :) so those notes above are important because you may have completely different setups, wants, needs and tolerances.

Ok, Here's my thoughts on CC:

Ease of wicking:
I give the edge to KGD because I just snip off the width I need, twist the very tip, pull thru, trim and game on.

The CC fibers are more erratic and fly away and don't appear to be as long as KGD. Trimming a length the exact width I'm looking for will take more practice for me.

Vapor production:
Equal but slightly moister with CC.

Flavor:
I give a slight edge to CC. There is a Slightly more vibrant taste with CC. Able to taste a hint more nic.

TH:
Equal.

Wicking:
Not evaluated. See my ramblings above.

Now I wish I could tell ya about a nic coma or high or something but I vape allot and did not feel any different :)

Conclusion:
Both of the products used (CC and KGD) excel for my needs. I had low expectations for the CC coming in because the KGD really does all I'll ever need a wick to do. The CC is IMO at least equal to it from a performance standpoint. That is a lofty achievement. The only place KGD outshines for me is the snip and wick simplicity. Add in slightly more vibrant flavor and claimed better transport / wicking and this product (CC) could be money for allot of vapers.

Now I have to also convince myself that vaping this is not any worse for me than chemically untreated natural pure cotton. I keep my setups saturated and have never burned a wick.

CC is a much brighter white than KGD. I know absolutely nothing about the manf process or what residuals remain, but really bright white tells me chemicals were used. Residuals in the juice stream? Dunno.

Boiling would be a deal breaker for me. Homie doan boil.

So I have been and will continue to dip into this thread to educate myself on this product and continue to observe the test wicks performance against my beloved KGD :)

I want to thank @steam head for the nudge over here and @JeremyR (J-Ray) for running at the tip of the spear. Great work y'all :)
 
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Just recoiled and wicked my wife's evod quick this morning.

5 wrap 32g 1/16 non contact coil , 1.8 ohms on a 650 ego.. Wow performs brilliantly.

Just tot off a piece that looked twice as big as the coil, pointed the end pulled it though slides easily. No over wick just left it. Well see how the rayon does at holding the juice. No fiddling with over wick size or nothing. 100% vg.. I'll see if she has any problems today.. I don't expect any this stuff never ceases to amaze me.

No leaking on it Jeremy? My sister uses an Evod and I make her coils for her and wick them with the dreaded silica .. was wondering if the CC would work in it or if it'd leak.
 

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The only place KGD outshines for me is the snip and wick simplicity.
I cut a 1" inch length of the CC "rope" off .. then I can just grab a thickness of it and pull it up and away from the 1" piece and voila, moisten a point and insert in your coil. The 1" length is the perfect length for me to work with for my wick, and each 1" length is enough for 2 or 3 more coils. This way I don't mess with having to pull long strands apart from the main huge rope and it's faster for me to get a piece to put into my coil than it ever was with cotton, and just as fast or even faster than cutting a thin strip of the KGB IMO.
 

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No leak for the hour before I left, not even the initial flood you usually get. I will have to see by the end of the day she will be hitting it pretty heavily today. I don't expect a single problem though. The last one was fine till the coil got a serious hot spot, I must have jacked it up or the wire broke at a kink.

Didn't get a pic of the build was in a hurry before work. Took an after picture of the wick after I cut it, it was pretty even all the way.

Just a quick pull off lightly roll in palms just to round it, wet the tip pulled it through. Incredibly fast and easy, I never had that experience with cotton.

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.........Now I have to also convince myself that vaping this is not any worse for me than chemically untreated natural pure cotton. I keep my setups saturated and have never burned a wick.

CC is a much brighter white than KGD. I know absolutely nothing about the manf process or what residuals remain, but really bright white tells me chemicals were used. Residuals in the juice stream? Dunno.
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The same fears I have Super_X, that and the numerous negative comments about just wearing Rayon, let alone vaping it. I have some inquiries out to try to figure this out, and the thread is waiting on Jeremy to post his safety details as well.
 

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Does anyone want some CC?

I want to send you (yes YOU) some CC.

But I'm a lazy person when it comes to mailing stuff so in order to ensure that I send you some of my CC, just send a me an envelope within an envelope with your address and postage on it and I'll stuff it with CC and put it back in the mail. As long as your address is correct and there's enough postage you'll get it. Put your mailing info in the return address too :)

I'd offer to just send it but like I said, I'm lazy as hell, it's summer vacation and I don't have time and I'm real lazy :) so you would prolly never get it :)

Hit me with a PM and I'll shoot you my mailing info :)
 

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I've posted details in the thread but I understand that the data is getting buried. I'm also trying to put all this together on an iphone. It's the only device I'm using to interact with ecf. So it's not as easy as putting together docs on a computer. Also part of the reason my posts are erratic. Iphone only..

Your processed food, intentionally fluoridated water, and McDonalds has more harmful ingredients. Personal care products are cancer causing. The list goes on... And on..

The other problem is that those that are chemically challenged would be scared off by a simple chemical formula. The water you drink from the tap is not pure h2o. All water has contaminates. The fluoride they so lovingly put into your water that is a factual poison is hydroflourosilic acid . An industrial waste product that is a pure environmental & biological poison

Hydrofluorosilicic acid is used to artificially fluoridate water. Hydrofluorosilicic acid, H2SiF6

http://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/

Some background - I've been heavily involved in the natural health and anti cancer movement since 1995, when I learned about fluoride. Spent 6+ years researching the onslaught of modern society on our bodies.

I was a top contributor on mercola.com for a number of years before it was even popular. Read thousands of pages of literature from top doctors in environmental/ food toxins, and natural health. Some of my Heros are dr Samuel epstine founder of the cancer prevention coalition. Winston a price, Linus Pauling, could go on and on, but I'm driving right now. Posting off an iphone so another incomplete post.

Also why my post will be edited a couple times
 
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I'd like to thank Super X. I've been waiting on your review of the CC.
Still think I'll stay with the sterile cotton roll.
Just not certain I want to get into the CC. Our vaping habits are a lot alike.
I don't sub ohm anymore. I prefer around 1 ohm range.
Main difference is I HAVE to have the high PG ratio due to my COPD. 70pg/30vg.

Thanks again Brother.
REO's ROCK.


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My neighbor is an internal medicine doctor, I asked him for his opinion last week. He looked closely at both the KGD and the CC, he even used a magnifying glass. He told me he'd much rather see me vaping with the CC, he was very leary of the manufacturing process of the KGD, didn't like some of the little thingies he saw in under thru a magnifying glass and he felt of all the different vaping materials that I've shown him in the past for vaping (CVS cotton, silica, peaches & cream, bamboo, ReadyX, and others) that he thinks the CC is the safest for me to use. Just one doctors opinion but one that I personally trust a lot.
 

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What are the approx dimensions on that box. I have a box of the same (44043) on its way, but the fedex tracking says the dimensions are 10x10x3" which didn't sound right. The weight sounds right though (3.6lbs).
 

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The same fears I have Super_X, that and the numerous negative comments about just wearing Rayon, let alone vaping it. I have some inquiries out to try to figure this out, and the thread is waiting on Jeremy to post his safety details as well.

No body's puking from wearing rayon that information is pure rubbish. If the somjay was on top of her game she would know that the chemical in question isn't in the rayon fiber and if there were possibly any of it residing in the fiber it would be considered a contaminate that's not supposed to be there. And that it has a half life of 12 days in air. So 24 days from the time it was produced it would be undetectable....
 

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My neighbor is an internal medicine doctor, I asked him for his opinion last week. He looked closely at both the KGD and the CC, he even used a magnifying glass. He told me he'd much rather see me vaping with the CC, he was very leary of the manufacturing process of the KGD, didn't like some of the little thingies he saw in under thru a magnifying glass and he felt of all the different vaping materials that I've shown him in the past for vaping (CVS cotton, silica, peaches & cream, bamboo, ReadyX, and others) that he thinks the CC is the safest for me to use. Just one doctors opinion but one that I personally trust a lot.

Thanks for that.

I've been in close relation with top natural doctors over the years and essentially this is laboratory quality cellulose fibers.
 
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