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[tchavei]

Sounds like you got the same kind of thing I did which is probably 100% rayon.

So did it look like the photos I posted.

As woofer mentioned burn test... You would need only a very small amount. Light it, observe the burn and smell, & ash, Should burn quiclky & completely, be light gray ash that blows away. Make sure you smell no off odors in the smoke. Just paper mostly, maybe a little wood/leaves.

Ideally you would have another rayon or cotton to burn also to compare the qualities of the burn test.

It looks EXACTLY like yours. Even the ripples lol. It's quite stable longwise when you pull the fibers but will shred when pulled sideways.

Going to the terrace set some things on fire.

I will burn a little Sallys to compare.

BRB

Regards
Tony

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[tchavei]

Ok, learned nothing lol

First I set a bit of tampon fiber on fire... Bum and it was away. No residue, nothing. Smell was like lite burned paper. Good

Next I burned a bit of Sally cellucotton... Another flash and all was gone. Some tiny speckles of dust but all gone. Smell seemed a little more intense but still paper. Great

So now just for comparison, I decided to burn some cotton... Looked around and found some 100% cotton swabs.
Lit it up and flash and it's gone too??!?
The smell was more intense than both previous tests. So intense I could feel the stinging in my nose but it left no residue and burned just as easy and simple as my rayon...

Based on what I just experienced:

A) my cotton swabs are made out of rayon

Or

B) I can't set cotton apart from rayon while burning...

Next I'm going to set muji pads on fire and see if there is a difference... This is frustrating

Regards
Tony

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[IML8]

Next I'm going to set muji pads on fire and see if there is a difference... This is frustrating

And entertaining...at least from where I'm sitting.

 

[tchavei]

Well burned more stuff like my wife's demakeup pads (says 100% cotton)
They also burn away. The only difference from Sally and the tampon is that both the cotton swab and the cotton disc burn slower and smell more than rayon.

I have no freaking idea how to tell them apart unless by feel. The tampon and Sally feel "drier", almost scratchy while the rest feels more silky and moisten.

Too subjective for my taste. We should have test kits that light up with rayon and not cotton or vice versa lol.

Regards
Tony

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[JeremyR]

Well possibly a larger piece you would see more difference. But it sounds like your fine none the less.

Cotton will burn away of course but there will be a difference if you examine it. The color should be different.

The differences will take a trained eye but its a simple method. Rayon will glow for a second longer than cotton, its ash is soft, cotton is soft but has a slight crumble to it.

The key is to Make sure you sense no other fibers or chemical/plastic smells...

If its got any cotton you'll taste it!

 

[JimmyDB]

Well burned more stuff like my wife's demakeup pads (says 100% cotton)
They also burn away. The only difference from Sally and the tampon is that both the cotton swab and the cotton disc burn slower and smell more than rayon.

I have no freaking idea how to tell them apart unless by feel. The tampon and Sally feel "drier", almost scratchy while the rest feels more silky and moisten.

Too subjective for my taste. We should have test kits that light up with rayon and not cotton or vice versa lol.

Regards
Tony

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Seriously on the test kits... something to detect pectin?! While I have seen some lab procedures that are related... I didn't see anything simple enough for a home user.

I would say to move on to the swelling/absorption rate differences?! cram a bunch of the unknown material into a spaced coil, wet it and see if she swells up.

 

[JeremyR]

So far as I can tell, you should be good to go.. You know its a natural fiber.. It will not need to be as tight as Sally's ccr, and maybe a little bit less density than the balls.

I get my densities all screwed up changing between them all. Lol

 

[tchavei]

Lol.

I'm pretty sure that thing in the tampon is rayon.

I have a weird reaction to rayon fibers when a pass my fingers over it... It's causes an impression that rise my neck hairs almost instantly and I can feel a shiver down the spine. Really horrible feeling.

Just thinking of it is enough to get the shiver. Sounds crazy but I only get it with rayon, not traditional cotton.

I sometimes actually need to bite my lips when I'm rewicking because of that... Brrrrrr

Regards
Tony

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[tchavei]

Ok, I think the tampon is 100% rayon.

I did a test with water. Both Sally and the tampon fibers maintain their structure while every other cotton I tested bloats up and basically feels like mud.

With rayon, you can squeeze with two fingers across the whole section and you see it turn white again =becomes almost transparent when soaked in water while the cotton starts bloating and you can't squeeze it out lengthwise without it turning to mush.

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Tony

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[tchavei]

3:20 am no time for a quick rebuild but tomorrow I'll try it out

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Tony

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[pi314]

o.b.'s are great

I have been using them ever since that day I posted I'd go and buy em. A few days later I also replaced the cotton on the other dripper too and I'm not going back. I'm rayon only now. O.b. rayon. After almost a week of use I decided to take it off the veritas and see what's going on. I rinsed it with water and it came out clean. I could dry and reuse it. That clean.

Some throatt irritation I mentioned a while back was due to the base/flavouring I used and not wicking related.

My box of o.b's also didn't indiate the materials used on the package, just how to use them and the precautions.

Burning cotton smels quite diferently than rayon. If you refer to that previous post of mine you'll see o.b.'s smell like paper but the smell is not as irritating to the norstrils. Burning it reduces it to almost nothing apart from a tiny amount of silky smooth ash. This thing seems super PURE, I love it. I don't feel I need to try something to compare it to. I'm a happy user


On another note, I saw some of you guys are using titanium wires. Who makes them? I'm interested in that too. Please point me to the right direction. Thanks

 

[slavkov]

Pi314 go check esmokeguru site. I'm using the one that they sell

 

[tchavei]

o.b.'s are great

I have been using them ever since that day I posted I'd go and buy em. A few days later I also replaced the cotton on the other dripper too and I'm not going back. I'm rayon only now. O.b. rayon. After almost a week of use I decided to take it off the veritas and see what's going on. I rinsed it with water and it came out clean. I could dry and reuse it. That clean.

Some throatt irritation I mentioned a while back was due to the base/flavouring I used and not wicking related.

My box of o.b's also didn't indiate the materials used on the package, just how to use them and the precautions.

Burning cotton smels quite diferently than rayon. If you refer to that previous post of mine you'll see o.b.'s smell like paper but the smell is not as irritating to the norstrils. Burning it reduces it to almost nothing apart from a tiny amount of silky smooth ash. This thing seems super PURE, I love it. I don't feel I need to try something to compare it to. I'm a happy user


On another note, I saw some of you guys are using titanium wires. Who makes them? I'm interested in that too. Please point me to the right direction. Thanks

Pi314 go check esmokeguru site. I'm using the one that they sell

Watch out regarding esmokeguru. I have no complaint but they have different types of titanium and its not really clear which is which as they like to use they own names. Among them they have one called ESG Titanium which isn't pure titanium but an alloy of titanium grade 2 plus nickel, iron and chromium. It's actually great... for normal VW mods but doesn't work neither in the DNA 40 in TP mode, neither in the Sx mini M Class (TP mode).

If you have a regular mod without temperature protection, get the ESG Titanium (it has half the resistance of kanthal). If you have a TP device, use titanium grade 1, preferably certified. Zivipf in Germany carries now certified titanium grade 1 and 2.

Regards
Tony

 

[slavkov]

This is what I'm using on my regular (not TP devices) and with viscose it's something beautiful!

The wire is softer that kantal and there SHOULD NOT BE DRYBURN. It gets hot and cools down much quicker than the kantal

 

[pi314]

I have an istick 20, an ego one and a 18350 mech mod. Maybe sometime in the future I'll get a mod with thermal protection but I vape at low watts/volts to really be concerned. In any case, I think I'd prefer pure Ti grade 1 wire than some alloy. I need to research this further...

 

[tchavei]

This is what I'm using on my regular (not TP devices) and with viscose it's something beautiful!

The wire is softer that kantal and there SHOULD NOT BE DRYBURN. It gets hot and cools down much quicker than the kantal

Yes, I also have that wire but only use it in non TP mode. If works nice. I have dry burned it and it doesn't oxide at all. Its probably easier just to soak it in Hydrogen Peroxide and wipe it down with a napkin or tissue though.

I have an istick 20, an ego one and a 18350 mech mod. Maybe sometime in the future I'll get a mod with thermal protection but I vape at low watts/volts to really be concerned. In any case, I think I'd prefer pure Ti grade 1 wire than some alloy. I need to research this further...

Do not use titanium grade 1 in normal mode. Unless you're a master at never ever overheating your coil, I wouldn't risk it. Titanium grade 1 will form a thick dioxide layer when overheated. Not saying it will flake off but you don't want to breathe titanium dioxide in your lungs so why risk it? ESG is good for regular mods and it doesn't form almost no layer at all even when dry burned so under normal conditions it shouldn't form any layer. The resistance is also quite lower with grade 1 so with 10 wraps you wouldn't even get to 0.5 ohms... ESG will give 1 Ohm with 10 wraps.

Regards
Tony

 

[Sptz]

May I be that person and ask, in general consensus, what is the "best" or "easiest" to work with Rayon? Sallys or Grahams or Delasco Balls?

 

[JimmyDB]

May I be that person and ask, in general consensus, what is the "best" or "easiest" to work with Rayon? Sallys or Grahams or Delasco Balls?

I find that CellulCotton, TIDI and Delasco Balls are about the same for working with them... with the added step of having to unravel the balls, and I generally place these three as the easiest to work with.

Tencel, is something all it's own to me... it really is more like working with a mass of straight thread... almost like silica, but not braided (unless you find/braid the Tencel), lol.

To me, the most difficult to work with, would be what you have to extract from Kotex/O.B. or the like... and simply because you have to get it out of there and probably want to work out the crimps/etc. UPDATED: This is still really easy to do

By no means would I say any of them are 'difficult' to work with, the biggest hurdle is simply learning the right method to get the wick inserted into your coil (what works best for you and given the exact situation) and getting the density right ( somewhat for your liking as much as just to work right, depends on the type of Rayon as well as how much you 'worked' the Rayon too).

P.S. A lot of the time now, I basically treat the coil as a needle, and use a loop of wire to 'thread the needle'. This has the benefit of pulling two bundles of wick through at the same time, which means it's really easy for me to cut one bundle right at the coil ends for a 50% tail thinning.

FWIW: I can't remember the last time I had to re-wick because I got it wrong the first time... so, it ends up kinda being second nature after a little while.

 

[tchavei]

See the rayon
Feel the rayon
Be the rayon

That pretty much resumes it

Regards
Tony

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[mudram99]

I'll just have to settle on the order-of-magnitude-better difference between Sallys and silica or cotton, 'cause I'm not chasing another possible 5%-10% improvement (or is it the placebo effect?) by using a different material. Not necessarily doubting anyone's observations but this is all so subjective and besides I'm just stubborn that way.

I'm kinda like you, since I have such a huge investment in this HUGER box of sallies, that an if it got any better I would just have to slap someone!