Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[garpt01]

Hey didn't mean to get you in trouble actually I just got off work early today (5pm is early) so now I can focus on this..

Funny thing I made a non contact coil for the first time in a long time. Yesterday, And if I try to taste It I see what you mean.. For some reason I never noticed this on a full contact micro coil.. Something about the spaced coil really changed the flavor it seems. Not sure what the actual factor is yet for sure.,

There is the sodium sulfate that is bonded in the finished cellulose rayon..
Cell OH + Na2So4
is what emerges from the final reaction. Then it's washed so maybe the sodium isn't fully washed off.

I think the flavor may be similar to an iodized salt? Do you Know what im talking about.. I've had salt before that tasted slightly metallic..

So I would say the sodium sulfate could be remaining. So possibly additional washing could remove the remaining salts.

The manufacturing process mentions final washing a to remove excess salts. So if it wasn't a thourogh washing there could be these salts still remaining.

I did post that in the past. And now I think we've got to the bottom of it.

Sodium sulfate is a neutral mineral salt. You can read up about it bro.

sodium sulfate is generally regarded as non-toxic

I think you might have it on it. Actually, "salt-like" is the exact term I was going to use before "metallic". There is a definite family connection as well there. Then folks attempting to help in good faith told me things I knew it was NOT. Frustrating.
I appreciate your effort. That was amazing work, and I thank you. Like most, I'm sitting on *a lot* of this stuff and would like to enjoy it.
So do you believe washing the material would solve the problem? Should I boil it? Quick primer on how to treat it?

Thanks!
Gary

 

[HolmanGT]

HolmanGT - notice my post about attacks was before your inquiry. It's comming from many different forums and most of them look back to here so many times I make posts that go beyond this discussion... Didn't mean to be directed at you Holman. But people from all over are reading this.

Sorry if it came off harsh it was a really quick post between jobs at work. I'm just simply pointing out that all of this stuff is not proven to be safe. I understand your concerns and I have made at least 40 different posts here with data as to how its made and the end product. But I know at this point it's hard to find..

Please don't be offended.

JeremyR,

I wasn't offended at first glance I just thought you were being overly defensive. No hurt feelings here.

As far as you replying to many post at once I have actually been amazed at your activity level at least in this thread. You seem to be active from late at night and right back at it early in the AM which in my time zone, MDT, makes for a very long day.

As far as the MSDS I probably wouldn't know what it was saying anyway just thought it might say something about byproducts caused by burning.

I am not particularly worried about any of the stuff in my vaping... God only knows but for all I know the juice may have been mixed in a bathtub (literally) and as far as wick and wire goes I don't have any idea what kind of contaminants may be on or in them. So in truth I am not all that concerned about what may or may not be in on or around my rayon wick.

Actually I did use my dripper some this morning and I didn't notice much change except for the hit being much heavier. After four or five puffs I had to put it down being very aware of my nic level going up substantially.

I will try it tonight in one of my K-funs and some of my regular juice. I made two mistakes with my first tests one I don't like dripping (too darn much trouble) and the second was I used a new juice that I have not used before which makes it impossible to notice any change accept the wetter vape and higher nic hit.

One point I was trying to make about folks that are experiencing some throat or tongue issues is I have that problem when I am fiddling with any new setup. You sit there playing with this and that and puffing away like a Steam Engine only I don't notice that I am doing that because I am focused on the vaping gear tweaks. I usually don't become aware of what I am doing with the chain puffing (tests) until I get a case of the hot flashes from too much nicotine [Nicotine not Menopause] . Then go WOW got to stop this for awhile...

 

[Shootist]

Not that. I've tried a dozen (at least) configurations (as above) with different amounts, new coils, BF attys and drippers Thanks for the input though.

I have no idea what you are tasting but for me the rayon gave any and all juices I tried a Sweet taste, sometimes so sweet it was sickening.

I could take a KF that had juice in it that I liked wicked with cotton. Extract the juice and rewick with rayon then put that same juice back in. Within a few draws I got that SWEET, almost sticky, taste in my mouth. Extract the juice once more and rewick with cotton and that sweet taste was gone.

@ JeremyR.

Not sure what others are saying about you in other forums. All I can say is "Screw" Them.

Thanks for doing all the work. To Bad I don't seem to able to use Rayon. I have 500' of it. Oh well.

 

[AmandaD]

I have no idea what you are tasting but for me the rayon gave any and all juices I tried a Sweet taste, sometimes so sweet it was sickening.

I could take a KF that had juice in it that I liked wicked with cotton. Extract the juice and rewick with rayon then put that same juice back in. Within a few draws I got that SWEET, almost sticky, taste in my mouth. Extract the juice once more and rewick with cotton and that sweet taste was gone.

@ JeremyR.

Not sure what others are saying about you in other forums. All I can say is "Screw" Them.

Thanks for doing all the work. To Bad I don't seem to able to use Rayon. I have 500' of it. Oh well.

I think because it mutes less than cotton that it does appear to amplify any sweetness in your eliquid. Since I DIY, I add no sweetener at all to my juices, but I did notice an increase in the sweet flavor once I switched to rayon. This can only be that I'm tasting what I actually make! I noticed the same thing when I switched to a new, extremely clean nicotine. A lot of ready made liquid is sickeningly sweet to me, and it may be that you're now tasting what I mean!

 

[JeremyR]

I have no idea what you are tasting but for me the rayon gave any and all juices I tried a Sweet taste, sometimes so sweet it was sickening.

I could take a KF that had juice in it that I liked wicked with cotton. Extract the juice and rewick with rayon then put that same juice back in. Within a few draws I got that SWEET, almost sticky, taste in my mouth. Extract the juice once more and rewick with cotton and that sweet taste was gone.

@ JeremyR.

Not sure what others are saying about you in other forums. All I can say is "Screw" Them.

Thanks for doing all the work. To Bad I don't seem to able to use Rayon. I have 500' of it. Oh well.

Thanks shootist. Yeah I'm kinda te progenitor of this so everything in the vaping community about this comes down from me...

I'm also defending users that are having assaults in other forums for saying thier using it.

Of course shootist, like everything in vaping there is no one thing for everyone. On mans trash is another mans treasure as they say... Well at least it only cost you 12.00 to try it. Lord know we've all wasted more than that on things that other people loves that we found we didn't like. Thanks for chimeing in maybe someday you'll find a use for it in vaping or otherwise.

You may be able to use it as feeder wicks for a cotton coil in some set up some day. I found it worked excellent in that respect as well. Like a carto material to a cotton coil wick or wrap. It's great as a feeder material and maybe you won't have that effect.

 

[xpen]

There's a 'corrector' flavor around, which adds some bitter taste to eliquids. It's commonly used by people using high-VG mixes/pure VG when they want to bring down the natural VG sweetness.

I do understand you may not want to jump thru too many hoops just for using rayon, but it may be worth a shot perhaps. Especially considering you've got a lifetime supply of that wicking material

I have no idea what you are tasting but for me the rayon gave any and all juices I tried a Sweet taste, sometimes so sweet it was sickening.
(...)
To Bad I don't seem to able to use Rayon. I have 500' of it. Oh well.

 

[Tbev]

I wound like to take a moment to point out a few things, I haven't been as active on this thread for a day or so and since have read thru tons of people using words like possible toxins, chemicals, etc. First and foremost I think it's in the best interest of everyone both involved and potentially involved to keep the scary phrases to a minimum, if you've got proof there's cancer in something, for sure say so, loudly. However if you; might be getting a sore throat and vaped way more than you usually do, on a new device and are bleeding out of your vagina, all off which being possible reasons for any agitation, please use common sense while associating your symptoms to this thread.

Please also note that sharing a new product, in this forum, does not place the burden of proof regarding safety on the person, or people who are doing the sharing. Besides being a very educated and experienced man Jeremy has gone out of his way, much further and far beyond in an effort to bring facts to light.

I wound like to personally thank you, Jeremy, as well as everyone else who is spending their time testing and researching the use of rayon and it's safety.
I can say that I have been using rayon for a while now in multiple dripping attys and RBA's ranging from 0.20ohm to 1.4ohm, including kf's, foggers( v2,&v4), and my bottom feeding device and

I have not one negative thing to say, I am very happy and grateful to have discovered rayon. Thanks again bud.

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[xpen]

Tbev, I do appreciate the ideas behind this latest post of yours, nevertheless I think you may have expressed the same message with a different choice of words.. Just saying..

 

[HolmanGT]

I have no idea what you are tasting but for me the rayon gave any and all juices I tried a Sweet taste, sometimes so sweet it was sickening.

I could take a KF that had juice in it that I liked wicked with cotton. Extract the juice and rewick with rayon then put that same juice back in. Within a few draws I got that SWEET, almost sticky, taste in my mouth. Extract the juice once more and rewick with cotton and that sweet taste was gone.

@ JeremyR.

Not sure what others are saying about you in other forums. All I can say is "Screw" Them.

Thanks for doing all the work. To Bad I don't seem to able to use Rayon. I have 500' of it. Oh well.

Shootist,

Have you tried different power levels?

I was just reading a sales pitch on "Grand Vapors" site and they have one flavor (no I can't remember which flavor but maybe you could search it) that they claim was intentionally made temperature sensitive. They claim if you don't like the flavor your getting just fiddle with the power level and you will get a completely different flavor. I swear this is the truth I am not putting you on.

Soooo... maybe changing power levels will change the sweetness of your juice. Who know maybe you can turn bad juice into good juice that sure would save us all a lot of money. If I had a nickel for every bottle I poured down the sink I would be a rich man.

Addendum/Afterthought: I notice that most of my juices taste less sweet when I use them in a bottom feeder like a Pro-Tank compared to my regular attys' which are almost all "Genesis" type vertical wicks. I use hollow Readywick-X (XC-116) so when I hold it parallel to the ground the juice flows thru like a straw giving me a very wet plumy vape (I am kind of into the visual aspect of vaping like dripping with out the hassle). Now when I am talking sweet here I am not talking candy bar but more the sweet difference you get by raising the VG level.

 

[awsum140]

After the better part of a PT full of my own DIY favorite I have noticed some significant differences with CC versus silica.

The build is a 2.5 ohm, 32ga, coil with 30ga nickel "zero" resistance wire. It was wound on a 14ga needle and compressed to fit into the PT head. CC was used leaving some fairly significant shoulders, but I can't say it was hard pulling through the wick. A small tuft was added on top for a flavor wick, then everything was trimmed to fit.

At the same power level I use a regular PT at, 6 watts, the vapor/TH/flavor were all comparable with the CC setup. I started fooling with power levels, using a Vamo if that makes any difference, and have found that I can run at 9 watts, far above the point where a regular PT head produces burnt flavor. The vapor/TH/flavor are easily as good as a dual coil tank like an iClear. I am impressed and will be anxious to see how the coil and wick are holding up at this power level. A PT head would be gunked to death before even a half tank.

My CE3 experiments have yet to produce the results I am looking for, but I'll keep working on that. The CE3, for those that don't know, has the coil/wick assembly mounted down inside a little ceramic cup. I suspect that the sharp turns, and associated compression, of the CC is slowing the flow of liquid. I may try leaving the coil/wick sitting on top of that little ceramic cup to keep the wick straight rather than having two right angle turns in it.

 

[vassilbg]

I re-coiled straight horizontal, not slanted. I seem to get better performance if I rest the wick tails evenly along the lower deck wall away from the juice channels. I used slightly less rayon than I did on my last build and so far its performing excellent.

 

[PaulBHC]

My turn to ramble on.

I have 50/50 40/60 and 33/66 flavors and unflavored, sweet and not. I use three different VV/VW devices on watts. CCr in 3 AGA-T2 single coil gennies and a small RDA. So far most things have been different from cotton. Sweet is sweeter, harsh is harsher, bad is worse.
I tried a DIY chocolate, peanut butter, marshmellow that was not so good and with CCr it tastes like cardboard. It's not the CCr it's the bad mix coming out better. I hope.
Still learning how much and how to. Latest trick with feeding a gennie coil is to twist the CCr tight, not too wet, feed it into the tank to the bottom or more. You should have a long enough piece to start so that you have some remaining above the coil. The portion above the coil I untwist. Using a pin or needle, I push the wick below the coil down into the wick hole, pulling the untwisted part down into the coil. The wick below the deck in the liquid should untwist itself the longer it is in the liquid.

At this time it is no worse than cotton. I have had to change wattage from what was good enough before.

Don't give up on this until you have tried different things. Maybe even the pg ratio and nic level. We may find that mandrel size, wire gauge, wraps, ohms, power, all have to be rethought to find a sweet spot.

 

[vassilbg]

Here are some pics on how I'm setting it up and how much CC I'm using. The coil is 10 wraps with 28g around a 5/64 drill bit.

 

[JeremyR]

My CE3 experiments have yet to produce the results I am looking for, but I'll keep working on that. The CE3, for those that don't know, has the coil/wick assembly mounted down inside a little ceramic cup. I suspect that the sharp turns, and associated compression, of the CC is slowing the flow of liquid. I may try leaving the coil/wick sitting on top of that little ceramic cup to keep the wick straight rather than having two right angle turns in it.

Thanks for the report, sounds good.! If you remove the over wick I bet YOU CAN push it to 12-15. Overwick is not needed. We don't need help wicking. Overwick help wick and plug juice channels. We need neither. The rayon has a Unique ability to attract and hold juice thus no gurgling.

With the ce3, wow man you still got one. Only run the wick through the coil and cut the tails long enough to go just past the top of the wick channels and leave them fanning out inside the chamber prime it and nudge them to touch top of chamber over the wick slots. Try that I bet it will work.

Or make the short wick coil, and make two feeder wicks that go from outside the chamber down to coil wicks.

Or go vertical and pack it in like i do towards the end of the Vcore thread.

 

[JeremyR]

Here are some pics on how I'm setting it up and how much CC I'm using. The coil is 10 wraps with 28g around a 5/64 drill bit.
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So vassilbg , how is it?

The money shots are close pics of the wick and coil an hour or tank later.... That's when you can tell how the density you used came out..
Or when you take the camber off so you can see it better.

The density looks pretty close from here. Only thing I see is that the wick is pushed down pretty hard to the deck it looks like. Thatay help compress that part and pull it from the top edge of coils. I don't have one of those so I speak of a general standpoint. Maybe try not to pull it down from the coil with to sharp of a bend. If needed add a tuft under the wick to help transfer from the channels to the main wick. Just a couple ideas one of them may help it work even better for you.. Or maybe not like I said I don't have a kayfun style.

 

[vassilbg]

So vassilbg , how is it?

The money shots are close pics of the wick and coil an hour or tank later.... That's when you can tell how the density you used came out..
Or when you take the camber off so you can see it better.

The density looks pretty close from here. Only thing I see is that the wick is pushed down pretty hard to the deck it looks like. Thatay help compress that part and pull it from the top edge of coils. I don't have one of those so I speak of a general standpoint. Maybe try not to pull it down from the coil with to sharp of a bend. If needed add a tuft under the wick to help transfer from the channels to the main wick. Just a couple ideas one of them may help it work even better for you.. Or maybe not like I said I don't have a kayfun style.

Thats a good call, I usually push it down with a small screwdriver prior to priming it. I'll burn through this tank and I'll take some pics when I have it apart. I'm gonna try to not change the wick for a few days unless I get another wild hair up my @$$ so I can see long term performance, but so far, this thing is blowin clouds...

 

[JeremyR]

Hello everyone! Take a look back.. This thread was started only one month and 10 days ago, techically just under 6 weeks. It didn't begin to get some activity till 5/23 less than 4 weeks ago. In our search for a bulk or purchasable rayon product steamhead turned up the Sally's CCr. The first purchase of CCr was On 6/02 by Brianc1111... I have to keep looking.. Really it's only Been 15 days? Wow. I'd say so far this is a huge hit... And it's only gonna get better. Stay tuned.

 

[Chiku]

I got the tencel last week, I don't really like it (so if anyone is looking for a sample please let me know)

I had ordered the CC at the same time, got it today and I love it. Wicked one of my RM2's and the Taifun. I really notice the difference in the Taifun, the CC does wick a lot faster than cotton and I find that it tastes cleaner. It's going to take a bit of practice figuring out how much to use.

Even though I've seen the pictures of the size of the 500' box I was shocked at how big it is when it showed up this morning.

Thanks for this thread! This is going to replace cotton in all of my RBA's.

 

[HolmanGT]

Well I am back on my dripper - Go figure!!!

I have been puffing on my ZEN Pro with XC-116 wick all evening not chain puffing but pretty regular. I just wasn't feeling the nic like I thought I should so I switch back to the dripper with CC wick.

Rut Row - about six or eight good long lung hits and I almost immediately got the nic hot flashes.

Anyway what I wanted to say is this is the same juice I had in the ZEN and it has more flavor and is sweater and definitely hits like a freight train. The sweetness is more like what I would expect from "StrawBana" nothing overly sweet.

The only thing is I might have to buy lower nic juice if I plan to continue with the dripper and CC. I can only take about two dripper refills before I have to put it down and rest a bit or suffer (or is that enjoy) a really good Nic-Buzz.

 

[BK_Malik]

Anybody willing to send a sample I'm willing to pay postage PM me please. BTW I did get a sample from another member but I fell asleep while it was boiling and scorched it (I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't have been boiling it lol, but too late now).

Thanks!