Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Kataphraktos]

Safety is in the eyes of the beholder. It is made of cellulose, wood fiber, but needs to be treated with various nasty chemicals to manufacture it. It is washed, and cleaned, thoroughly, allegedly, before it is finished. There is also a medical grade CC, rayon, that may be, technically, even safer. Jeremy can answer this in great detail, but I feel more comfortable with CC versus silica or fiberglass.

To be precise: Lyocell or Tencel (CC is a form of Lyocell or Tencel), the latest version of rayon, is not processed using "nasty chemicals". In fact, the chemical used as solvent to create the wood pulp is actually safe enough, so that you could dip your hand in it for a short period of time with no harmful effects. And it is eco-friendly, and recycled for other purposes after being used to create the rayon. The lack of nasty chemicals in the manufacturing process is one of the many benefits, and the reason this version of rayon can be processed into medical grade products.

It is also used in the filters of analogs since the 1990s, although that's probably not exactly a selling point for our crowd!

 

[HolmanGT]

Katap,

Just spent a little time looking into cigarette filters and the best I could find is "rayon" is used in cig filters. Most of the articles talk about some of the harmful things used in filters and some with detail but not one I could find mentioned the rayon as potentially harmful.

Actually the absence of any comments on the rayon was just plain glaring.

I just found the absence of comments on rayon interesting.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Katap,

Just spent a little time looking into cigarette filters and the best I could find is "rayon" is used in cig filters. Most of the articles talk about some of the harmful things used in filters and some with detail but not one I could find mentioned the rayon as potentially harmful.

Actually the absence of any comments on the rayon was just plain glaring.

I just found the absence of comments on rayon interesting.

Yes, someone who is currently a consultant on rayon products who was involved in the development of Tencel/Lyocell confirmed it has been used in analog filters since the 1990s. He actually helped get it approved by the FDA for this application, along with medical applications.

What material did it replace? Cotton! Ha!

 

[Kataphraktos]

Also FWIW, I've ripped multiple search engines to shreds looking for even the craziest anti-rayon Birckenstock-clad hippy eco-terrorist websites/blogs/general insane rant material. Really blatant absence. And this is the same internet where i'm sure i could find a website chronicling how baby seals are the physical manifestation of Beelzebub.

 

[HolmanGT]

Yes, someone who is currently a consultant on rayon products who was involved in the development of Tencel/Lyocell confirmed it has been used in analog filters since the 1990s. He actually helped get it approved by the FDA for this application, along with medical applications.

What material did it replace? Cotton! Ha!

Did you notice that some time back (I believe the 1980 - not sure I forgot) but Kent Micronite (sp) filters used... pause for dramatic effect... Asbestos.

 

[awsum140]

Kataphraktos, you may be able to dip your hand into the chemicals but that doesn't mean they, or their residual products, can be safely inhaled and other changes can occur to that residual when it is heated to about 200F. Just sayin. I have no problem with CC or Tencel, personally, and just mentioned the chemical treatment in an attempt to be generally informative. I'm sure you wouldn't want to drink what they use to make it, I know I wouldn't and I'll drink/eat just about anything.

 

[vassilbg]

So a day later, still getting stellar performance.

New wick/coil (BEFORE):



Day later (AFTER):

 

[vassilbg]

Also FWIW, I've ripped multiple search engines to shreds looking for even the craziest anti-rayon Birckenstock-clad hippy eco-terrorist websites/blogs/general insane rant material. Really blatant absence. And this is the same internet where i'm sure i could find a website chronicling how baby seals are the physical manifestation of Beelzebub.

... and this is why I hate baby seals

 

[JeremyR]

Great performance a day later is a sign its good density. Kinda hard to tell in the pics but it doesn't look like its sagged much if any.. Let's see how it goes in a week or two.

 

[vassilbg]

Great performance a day later is a sign its good density. Kinda hard to tell in the pics but it doesn't look like its sagged much if any.. Let's see how it goes in a week or two.

I didn't notice any sagging at all, but there could be very minimal. It seems to perform better today actually. Its snap, crackle, popping and giving great performance. Since switching to a KFL from my nautilus, I had to lower my nic to 6mg. With CC, I'm now down to 3mg nic. Good things all around.

 

[JeremyR]

Yes, someone who is currently a consultant on rayon products who was involved in the development of Tencel/Lyocell confirmed it has been used in analog filters since the 1990s. He actually helped get it approved by the FDA for this application, along with medical applications.

What material did it replace? Cotton! Ha!

Some filters maybe, none that I've seen. All filters I've ever seen have melted to plastic. Rayon doesn't melt it turns to a light grey ash when burned.. It shire would be safer if they used it in all filters. Instead of the poly or whatever big tobacco uses.

The manufactures only claim that the different chemicals in lyocell are an environmental benifit. Not that the end product is some how safer. Not that I've seen at least.

 

[JeremyR]

Also FWIW, I've ripped multiple search engines to shreds looking for even the craziest anti-rayon Birckenstock-clad hippy eco-terrorist websites/blogs/general insane rant material. Really blatant absence. And this is the same internet where i'm sure i could find a website chronicling how baby seals are the physical manifestation of Beelzebub.

I know man, if it were bad you'd think there would be something. Except for japeto or whatever's unsupported rant..

I bet there's not even a msds because having one would be as ridiculous as having a msds for cotton.

Yeah I haven't looked for that yet, sorry been super busy with work home and just keeping up here, and helping others.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Some filters maybe, none that I've seen. All filters I've ever seen have melted to plastic. Rayon doesn't melt it turns to a light grey ash when burned.. It shire would be safer if they used it in all filters. Instead of the poly or whatever big tobacco uses.

The manufactures only claim that the different chemicals in lyocell are an environmental benifit. Not that the end product is some how safer. Not that I've seen at least.

I think the Tencel is one of a bunch of materials used to make the filters. And, yeah, those filters have a half-life of 1,000 Hugh Hefners.

 

[cindycated]

OK, maybe this is where any doubts are coming from:

Different kind of rayon, people!

 

[Aal_]

Jeremy and others I installed rayon in my Rm2. First thing is t-shirt taste and sore throat after exactly 2 hits.

First the taste: it reminded of the taste of Martha Stewart cotton hemp yarn. It was my mistake I stuffed the stuff like there is no tomorrow just for the sake of trying.

Second the sore throat: after the second hit my throat is getting better instead of worse which is very weird. But I'm sure it is not because of some crazy amount of vapor. It is a 1.4 ohms on Reo. Either it is something in the rayon or, which I am more tending to, or the way it evaporates the nicotine which although I'm tending to I'm still baffled of why. BTW never had a sore throat reaction to anything before except when I vape too much. Used Japanese cotton exclusively before and organic cotton before that. The liquid is 6 mg unflavored 95% VG. My all day vape since 2 weeks.

I won't talk about wicking because this thing is crazy many have already commented on it.

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[JeremyR]

Jeremy,

"Spaced out my parallel coil" I have been wonder about that myself. I have been using the compressed coils ever since I watched the first video on "Micro Coils" (an abused term in my opinion)

I started having second thoughts about it after noticing that coils supplied by Atty vendors are spaced and the pre-wound coils you can buy are all spaced out. One would think that Manufacturers and second source coil Manufacturers may know something that we don't.

Anyway sure would like to hear how the spacing performs for you.

PS - Your new pics the wick looks cleaner the closer it gets to the coil. Hmmm... do we have a paradox here.

Too soon to tell. What I noticed right away was popping I never got with a micro/mini contact coil... popping is good.

That is probably just due to lighting, and the iphone in HDR mode makes the photo brighter.

 

[Fisheeboy]

I've bee checking this thread out for a few weeks now and I think I'm finally convinced that this stuff will live up to the hype. So I'm gonna go to Sally and see if they got some. Wish me luck folks. And thanks Jeremy and all the rest of you that did the research and put the word out about this stuff.
Keeping my fingers crossed on this.

 

[HolmanGT]

I've bee checking this thread out for a few weeks now and I think I'm finally convinced that this stuff will live up to the hype. So I'm gonna go to Sally and see if they got some. Wish me luck folks. And thanks Jeremy and all the rest of you that did the research and put the word out about this stuff.
Keeping my fingers crossed on this.

Oh... I am pretty sure they will have it BUT probably about a mile more than you ever wanted.

PS - Watch out they have it in Cotton and Rayon so make sure you check the box.

 

[JeremyR]

Jeremy and others I installed rayon in my Rm2. First thing is t-shirt taste and sore throat after exactly 2 hits.

First the taste: it reminded of the taste of Martha Stewart cotton hemp yarn. It was my mistake I stuffed the stuff like there is no tomorrow just for the sake of trying.

Second the sore throat: after the second hit my throat is getting better instead of worse which is very weird. But I'm sure it is not because of some crazy amount of vapor. It is a 1.4 ohms on Reo. Either it is something in the rayon or, which I am more tending to, or the way it evaporates the nicotine which although I'm tending to I'm still baffled of why. BTW never had a sore throat reaction to anything before except when I vape too much. Used Japanese cotton exclusively before and organic cotton before that. The liquid is 6 mg unflavored 95% VG. My all day vape since 2 weeks.

I won't talk about wicking because this thing is crazy many have already commented on it.

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- if you tasted the rayon on first hit I was way too much or not primed enough. Probably way too much. As you said you were gonna stuff it.

If you burn cotton it hurts the throat right? Sounds like you burned it that's why the first hurt your throat. It's like smoking paper if you burn it. It will burn.

Rewick it, it's burnt don't use as much this time and prime it real good wait a couple minutes make sure it won't take more juice.

After a lighter rewick-
How is the flavor of the juice, it should be clean and pure. Do you notice a salty metallic type taste like iodized salt.

 

[Aal_]

- if you tasted the rayon on first hit I was way too much or not primed enough. Probably way too much. As you said you were gonna stuff it.

If you burn cotton it hurts the throat right? Sounds like you burned it that's why the first hurt your throat. It's like smoking paper if you burn it.

Rewick it, it's burnt don't use as much and prime it real good wait a couple minutes make sure it won't take more juice.

After a lighter rewick-
How is the flavor of the juice, it should be clean and pure. Do you notice a salty metallic type taste like iodized salt.

I will do that. for now actually it's going great.

regarding it being burnt I was surprised that it didn't get charred or gave that burnt scratchy hit you feel. but I think you might be right maybe it was a dry hit.

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