Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Blitzdonlife]

This is how ridiculously saturated I'm able to run the flashi in tank mode with no leaks as long as I don't lay it on the side the air hole is on.

Hits awesome in dripper mode air screw out at ~5/32. May drill it out even more

Running full power on a stacked 18350 zmax.

Here's a shot of my rig.

tank wick with one hole open, still working on the best tank wick method. Since I don't have mesh..(disregard straw mod just something I tried out one day. Biggest stock air screw is 1/16, Need a metal tube)

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Need to make a video with the vapor production with a 2- 3 second draw on this at 1.4 parellel 32g , it would be an iphone video though

Hey Jeremy, is that Flashi the one from fasttech, I am on the fence on buying one and want to get a well built clone.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Rewicked the squape and its working great. It was sitting unused because I kept getting burned hits from cotton, the wick couldn't keep up. Rayon has now put the squape back into my regular rotation.

 

[JeremyR]

Well I've been playing with this stuff past week and personally I find that it doesn't really need to be as densely packed as many in this thread would suggest... for me anyway, I find that too densely packed and I can taste the wick, my happy place is probably ~ 1.5-2 times as much as I would use for cotton, ymmv but I agree with some of the latest postings, simply insure that after it's fully juiced up and broken in that it's not loose in the ends of the coils, as long as it's dense enough to not shrink down to where it's loose on the ends then it seems good to me, personally I don't agree that you can't use too much though, maybe at lower power levels? don't know, I'm usually vaping at higher power levels of at least between 20 and 30 watts or more

Yes my 2-3 times recommendation was based on the boiled bottle rayon that comes out much fluffier afterwards.

Just recieved cellucotton a day ago and it's denser to start with so 1.5-2 is about right. !

Were only at 6 days working with cc so were still experimenting.

 

[VenusianSky]

Back in the 1800's maybe, it's a poly now a days it clearly melts to plastic.

Rayon does Not melt it burns to ash just like cotton.

I was just looking it up out of curiosity. Yes, it is cellulose acetate, which is different than rayon. Filters must still be made out of it, but cellulose acetate is more of a plastic. Cellucotton would be safer since it is 100% rayon and it does not melt.
I wasn't trying to stir up controversy. Just pointing out that cellulose (a worse form of it) is used in something that we have sucked on for years.

 

[JeremyR]

Hey Jeremy, is that Flashi the one from fasttech, I am on the fence on buying one and want to get a well built clone.

Tobecco clone got it from 101vape.. Orings suck but backed with Teflon thier tighter. The drip tips aren't great I used a different one. But you get a lot from tobecco. 4 air screws and all parts full tank mode clear window ect. Seems the winsmoke may have been the best but it's impossible to find believe me. It's a 20.00 clone so its got some issues but nothing bad for me. It seems to be the best option but the fastech one may be just as good, don't get all the modes though like tobecco.. but also I haven't heard any good about the fastech tabbed one compared to the tobecco pinned one.

Go tobecco, unless you find a better one. Hcigar hasn't come out yet.

 

[JeremyR]

I was just looking it up out of curiosity. Yes, it is cellulose acetate, which is different than rayon. Filters must still be made out of it, but cellulose acetate is more of a plastic. Cellucotton would be safer since it is 100% rayon and it does not melt.
I wasn't trying to stir up controversy. Just pointing out that cellulose (a worse form of it) is used in something that we have sucked on for years.

No worries!

All plants are cellulose based.

 

[Cuando]

So, someone remind me, too many pages to sift through. Why are we remaining so confident that the tencel and ramie and CC are safe for our purposes? I know JeremyR was talking about it a couple days ago, just curious as I'd like to be able to explain it to others.

 

[Dconnor]

So, someone remind me, too many pages to sift through. Why are we remaining so confident that the tencel and ramie and CC are safe for our purposes? I know JeremyR was talking about it a couple days ago, just curious as I'd like to be able to explain it to others.

Happen to watch a video in another forum?

 

[Cuando]

No, Dconnor, just curious.

 

[Dconnor]

No, Dconnor, just curious.

Sorry I did. Had me reading up.

 

[Cuando]

I am of the mind that the CC in particular is totally harmless, but that's just from using it for a few days.

What did your research lead you to think?

 

[VenusianSky]

So, someone remind me, too many pages to sift through. Why are we remaining so confident that the tencel and ramie and CC are safe for our purposes? I know JeremyR was talking about it a couple days ago, just curious as I'd like to be able to explain it to others.

I agree. The fact of the matter is that people are going to be curious to use this stuff since the benefit is that it provides better flavor and better absorption than cotton, overall better vape. Because of those benefits, many people will blindly try something without looking into it first. There could be a thousand products that provide a better vape than cotton, but they aren't necessarily safe. Based on what I have read and seen on this thread, it seems to be no more dangerous than using cotton, and maybe a bit safer. Here are some things I recall from the thread:
- Rayon is made from cellulose and burns; does not melt. Smells like burnt paper.
- Rayon was boiled and showed no residue
- The pictures here show that wick is less dark than cotton after a few days of use. Better juice flow; less likely of an unexpected dry hit.

 

[JeremyR]

Please link me the video.. I'll see what debunking can be done.

What's your main concern?

 

[Cuando]

Good points, thank you Venusian. I have noticed how clean this stuff vapes, I usually have to burn my coils clean ever two days, at least, and so far with the CC I have no need to do so even after two days of heavy use. My coils look pristine and the absorption rate with this stuff is astounding, even a faint hint of a dry hit means that the wick is bone dry.

Again, just curious, I am slowly turning others onto the CC and would like to be informed when/if anyone voices a concern.

 

[stashbldr]

Please link me the video.. I'll see what debunking can be done.

here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/571569-thoughts-wicks.html

 

[RadicalM1nd]

Again, this might just be exclusive to my viscose balls, but it seems they need about a day or two to soak in and unfold their full beauty.
I feel like my Fogger produces twice as much vapor as yesterday for some reason. Still 0 wicking issues to report

 

[Cuando]

JeremyR, if you were asking my main concern, it's obviously what remains IN the stuff after manufacturing. I know you stated that the chemicals used in the manufacture of rayon 'washes out' and/or doesn't bond to the cellulose. Again, just curious. I had someone ask me if they should boil it, and I told them I didn't but that they certainly could to be safe.

 

[abpigdoc]

Other than (I've read) higher heat capacity and 'Green' production, safety is the same as other rayon products. Been using exclusively since 23 May--no issues.

 

[dogcat]

Back in the 1800's maybe, it's a poly now a days it clearly melts to plastic.

Rayon does Not melt it burns to ash just like cotton.

oh darnit, and here I was about to order a box of cigarette filters.

 

[Dconnor]

I am of the mind that the CC in particular is totally harmless, but that's just from using it for a few days.

What did your research lead you to think?

I am still of the same mind as the rest of us here. The product seems harmless and seems to work well. I have burned some myself alongside cotton to try it out and think the cellucotton performs better than cotton. Burned wicks are the issue for me.

What I can't test is any chemical residue so was reading up. There are a lot of scary sounding names used in rayon manufacture. There are also multiple kinds of rayon so it is easy to confuse.
My unscientific testing procedure was burning it, vaping it (so far no burned wicks), and (sorry all) tasting. I put a little ball in my mouth and sucked on it for a few minutes and could not taste any strange residue.
I am vaping it.