Welcome to the thread.
Glad you like it. You'll be surprised how long it will last with the right density.
Oh and I've posted plenty of substance here...
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Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
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Welcome to the thread.
Glad you like it. You'll be surprised how long it will last with the right density.
Oh and I've posted plenty of substance here...
So, first Wick done with CC on the 30th in my not so elegant AGI as a dripper...
I'm amazed at how well this stuff holds up. And the flavor, well that is ridiculous!
Look how clean the coil stays [emoji106] [emoji85][emoji86][emoji87]
I'm amazed at how well this stuff holds up. And the flavor, well that is ridiculous!
Look how clean the coil stays [emoji106] [emoji85][emoji86][emoji87]
Looks like I need to join redit to add the 20 thoughts I have. But we had some good factual support over there and even what they thought was a red herring msds only Showed positive things.
None of those listed chemicals remain in the fiber or are part of it.
Their msds sheet is great it says all the good stuff. 0 toxicity. Safest rating. No cancer causing chemicals per state of California.
http://www.minifibers.com/MSDS/MSDS_Rayon_RAFL-RATC.pdf
The company does not make rayon. They process the rayon or actually just cut it and add
Finishes.
http://www.minifibers.com/history.htm
What the op there doesn't realize is one reason I said not to use fabrics or yarn like aunt Lydia's. When it's spun they use a finish or additive to make it easier to spin. Our rayon is not spun to yarn. So take that part out of the equation what are you left with.?.. The facts.
The other big thing is that they need to realize that its not just mixed together to make rayon. It's actually chemical compound changes that make the rayon. Technically rayon wouldn't be rayon if cs2 were present. The reaction the sulfuric acid causes -forms the pure cellulose bonds. The Cs2 is free from the molecule at that point. Also any trace of cs2 'you may think' may be there has a half life of 12 days in air.
Op you say we jump on people questioning it. Well I've gotten that stuff from the beginning and never has anyone said anything that has scientific ground to their statements. Im just debunking it and you get upset because I debunked the statement.. I'm still waiting for a real debate... I always try to post the sources of the information. 120 years and you guys find no scientific data showing rayon fiber contains any harmful chemicals. Yet oeko tex chemical analyisis lab certifies it free from harmful chemicals: even stuff that could vaguely be hazardous.
I'm just sharing all this because I knew how great it was and wanted others to experience it. all I got in the beginning was oh that's gonna kill you it's plastic it melts it's poison. None of those statements are true.
It's not synthetic its semi synthetic. Pure cellulose doesn't exist in nature.
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Interesting, I took his post to mean that after a few attempts to buy it online and ending up getting the cotton version instead he went to a local Sally's and bought the correct rayon version of the stuff. I remember a few folks attempting to get CCr online, initially after whomever found they have a rayon offering, were offered the cotton version of the product when they followed up by phone or after delivery. Perhaps that's why I read it differently.
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Glad you like it. Looks like it's been working very well for you.
I was meaning the last page or so of off topic or anti-rayon stuff. Not the entire thread.
As for substance; I believe if one wishes to clean a rayon wick between flavors (RDA mainly) have ready a batch of unflavored eliquid in your preferred nic and vape a couple refills, the wick will run as white as the day you put it in.
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Yeah! My Kracken loves this stuff, too. I went by my local B&M and gave'em a wad to try and the link to this thread... Guy flipped out at the difference from cotton. Gave me a 30ml bottle of juice to boot for giving him the heads up. I think Sally's in his future... [emoji2]
My dumb self accidentally took quite a large toot at the local vape shop today using CC as the wick through the coil, my buddy wanted a "demonstration" at the wrong time (my dripper was a little dry lol), and I have to say the Rayon held up really well for the frankly really hot build I have in it (0.1 ohm, 8 wraps on 1/16th" bit, using 22ga Gplat elite wire) which basically heats up instantly.
I won't sugarcoat it and say it was fun, because it did taste really similar to burning cotton, and just a hint of something different, it reminded me of when I (drunkenly) lit the wrong end of my cigarette before I quit, which is probably a similar cellulose. Now I've never had it burn on me before because the stuff wicks so darn well, it never even gets toasted while normally vaping, but I took a big confident puff this time
. It was enough to slightly brown the area wicked through the coils, but it didn't cause me any lung irritation like cotton usually does, just a bad taste, and a quick headache which was strange. I wouldn't exactly recommend it for cloud competitions lol, but for every other aspect, it really does shine. I've been using it for "big vapor" setups since I purchased it one month ago and didn't have any issue until this one extreme situation.
So what I'm getting at is, I wouldn't recommend it for "extreme" setups, like sub-ohm builds, or just builds that can heat up fast when they suddenly run out of juice. That slight headache was different from a cotton burnt hit I hate to admit, but I still want everybody to know regardless, I was a stupid guinea pig in this situation, your welcome
. I am wondering what the headache was caused by though, whether it was simply a small amount of burnt cellulose material, or a substance released by the extreme heat. This particular wick wasn't boiled, dried, or rinsed etc., just for the record. Be safe y'all!
I won't sugarcoat it and say it was fun, because it did taste really similar to burning cotton, and just a hint of something different, it reminded me of when I (drunkenly) lit the wrong end of my cigarette before I quit, which is probably a similar cellulose. Now I've never had it burn on me before because the stuff wicks so darn well, it never even gets toasted while normally vaping, but I took a big confident puff this time
. It was enough to slightly brown the area wicked through the coils, but it didn't cause me any lung irritation like cotton usually does, just a bad taste, and a quick headache which was strange. I wouldn't exactly recommend it for cloud competitions lol, but for every other aspect, it really does shine. I've been using it for "big vapor" setups since I purchased it one month ago and didn't have any issue until this one extreme situation.So what I'm getting at is, I wouldn't recommend it for "extreme" setups, like sub-ohm builds, or just builds that can heat up fast when they suddenly run out of juice. That slight headache was different from a cotton burnt hit I hate to admit, but I still want everybody to know regardless, I was a stupid guinea pig in this situation, your welcome
. I am wondering what the headache was caused by though, whether it was simply a small amount of burnt cellulose material, or a substance released by the extreme heat. This particular wick wasn't boiled, dried, or rinsed etc., just for the record. Be safe y'all!
You sure it wasn't a coil dry hit? Because that's what's bad and tastes the worst. In the beginning before this thread, I found out most the time when I thought I was getting a dry hit of rayon; that it wasn't burnt and the taste was the coil dry burn. Remember when you used to have to dry burn a coil how nasty that is. That stuff will give you a headache. I remember when I first started and dry hit a coil the juice burns and have me a Headache. So think about the taste was it coil dry burn or rayon? It took me a while to figure it out. Next time you dry burn a coil pick up that scent..
I've mentioned that The coil dry burns before the rayon in most cases. The difference is instead of the rayon burning it try's to protect its self and hold the rest of the juice as the coil starts to dry burn. The difference in taste I think is that the coil dry burns faster than the rayon burns. you said it wasn't reAlly burnt only brown.
If you think it was burning the rayon then I think,
A burning campfire wood fire smoke gives me a headache. When I burned through a cotton wick I thought I was gonna die. My whole vaping day was about ruined by the lasting taste and pain... With The rayon I was back to vaping good physically in a short time. You don't want to smoke wood cellulose, the smoke is harsh like wood smoke, but it's much less harsh feeling on the lungs compared to cotton. Just because it's different from cotton doesn't mean its worse. I've dry hit it before and it's not great but it's physical effect was much lower than that of cotton in my experience. And really I think all I picked up was the coil dry burn.
You'll notice Something different probably because its makeup is different from cotton. Wood and cotton produce different smokes.
I've mentioned that The coil dry burns before the rayon in most cases. The difference is instead of the rayon burning it try's to protect its self and hold the rest of the juice as the coil starts to dry burn. The difference in taste I think is that the coil dry burns faster than the rayon burns. you said it wasn't reAlly burnt only brown.
If you think it was burning the rayon then I think,
A burning campfire wood fire smoke gives me a headache. When I burned through a cotton wick I thought I was gonna die. My whole vaping day was about ruined by the lasting taste and pain... With The rayon I was back to vaping good physically in a short time. You don't want to smoke wood cellulose, the smoke is harsh like wood smoke, but it's much less harsh feeling on the lungs compared to cotton. Just because it's different from cotton doesn't mean its worse. I've dry hit it before and it's not great but it's physical effect was much lower than that of cotton in my experience. And really I think all I picked up was the coil dry burn.
You'll notice Something different probably because its makeup is different from cotton. Wood and cotton produce different smokes.
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My thought is the thread is stupid and literally pointless.
It's typical, fear mongering backwards logic and reasoning. If I'd apply this kind of fail logic in everyday life I might as well lock myself up in a clean room until the end of my days.
They could spin rayon fibers on radioactive rods for all I care. Bathe it in horse poop laden uranium soup.
Why would I give a damn as long as none of the stuff used in its production ends up in the final product?
People who post such threads drink soda from plastic bottles, use cars, brush their teeth with fluoride toothpaste, sleep in rayon bed sheets and wipe their asses with bleached cellulose toilet paper after a meal of food they have no idea of which chemicals were used in its production. As a dessert, they take puffs off of their cotton wicked vapes without the slightest clue on how, where and in which environment that cotton was produced.
Their views are hypocritical and absolutely useless.
If you want to prove there's any danger or toxicity to rayon, analyze the rayon, not its production process. No sane person cares what was used to make it as long as we're not talking environmental and economic concerns.
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So I picked up a box 44060 at Sally's Rewicked my 2 Reo's and I like it a lot I didn't think any thing would ever be better than cotton But this is it I will use it in all my devices Now
Thanks for the Tip
I will use it in all my devices Now Thanks for the Tip
bsoplinger,
Your are probably right in your interpretation of what "Andy" was saying.
Even reading it in the light of day I still find myself saying Hmmm... I sure wish Andy would post on what he got. When you are in Sally's it is relatively easy to walk out with the wrong stuff.
I do have a bad habit of scanning posts and reading into them my subliminal concerns.
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Do you really feel a need to clean the wick between flavors? I've found it wicks so well that generally the first draw after changing is mixed flavor and everything after is purely the new flavor.
Agree with the sentiment expressed although IMHO it was expressed a bit harshly.
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My only complaint with rayon so far has been I think it irritated my throat..... and I only think it right now. I've switched back to cotton for a few days, and will switch back to rayon to see if the irritation returns. Its my unscientific method of trial and error.
I think everything in todays modern life is bad for you in some way some how..... from the contaminated air we breathe, to the genetically enhanced foods we buy and prepare, to the daily hygiene products we use on our bodies... don't even get me started on fast food that I think we all eat too! Then there are those of us with medical conditions like myself who take generic prescription meds for high blood pressure, arthritis and pain..... some how in the grand scheme of things I doubt vaping in general, in any or all of its aspects, will be pretty low on the list of things that will contribute to my overall health condition and eventual demise.
I think everything in todays modern life is bad for you in some way some how..... from the contaminated air we breathe, to the genetically enhanced foods we buy and prepare, to the daily hygiene products we use on our bodies... don't even get me started on fast food that I think we all eat too! Then there are those of us with medical conditions like myself who take generic prescription meds for high blood pressure, arthritis and pain..... some how in the grand scheme of things I doubt vaping in general, in any or all of its aspects, will be pretty low on the list of things that will contribute to my overall health condition and eventual demise.
I don't think that everyone will have the same results with rayon, or any other wick material for that matter. Some will be allergic to it in one way or another, some will taste it, some may find the taste of their liquids changes too much and some will some will decide that it is "artificial" may contain dangerous chemicals. The last group will be working on false assumptions, rumor and hearsay. Their loss in the end by not even trying it or doing research on their own.
Phone guy, your the 35,657th guy to say that it irritated your throat and then realized that it's not the rayon is that you've been vaping more juice.
Anyone having any sinus issues?
For a week I have had the scent of burning plastic in my sinus. I comes and goes. Last weekend I was vaping some NETs and thought it was that and stopped. Even tried unflavored and lower nic. The only other change is the rayon wick but I've had it for weeks now. I doubt it is the rayon but thought I'd put it out there. Probably something blooming in this area. Hope it is not vaping in general.
For a week I have had the scent of burning plastic in my sinus. I comes and goes. Last weekend I was vaping some NETs and thought it was that and stopped. Even tried unflavored and lower nic. The only other change is the rayon wick but I've had it for weeks now. I doubt it is the rayon but thought I'd put it out there. Probably something blooming in this area. Hope it is not vaping in general.
Paul, is what you have 100% rayon or could it possibly be a mix with some synthetic fibers? The burn test is a good place to start if you are unsure about its makeup.
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