Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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HolmanGT

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Yeah, that guy Jeremy really started something for me, too. The rayon worked so well in a Protank I just had to try an rta, so I bought a Fogger. Now I have three more of them coming on Thursday. So besides the heavier nic hit, my wallet took another hit as well. Sorry, Jeremy, gotta blame somebody, it can't be my fault! LOL.

awsum,

I agree with you completely about the gentleman behind my financial problems and nicotine over doses. I like you absolutely refuse to blame my self where's the fairness in that. :blush:

PS - My second fogger came today and is sitting in hot soapy water to remove all the kah-kah.
 

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I know I should reduce the Nic level but I made the mistake of stocking up when MyFreedomSmokes was having there 125 ml unflavored sale and I do mean stocked up.

Hey man since its unflavored, you could go to rightaid or walmart and get some 99.5% usp glycerin, it is in the pharmacy section by the bandaids, you can get 125ml for 7$-4$ bucks respectively!
Just mix 3/4 base to 1/4vg for 18mg,
Half and half for 12mg, or 1/4base and 3/4vg for 6mg. Doing that you will have up to 4x more juice than you have now lol
Vape long and prosper here

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What juggalofisher88 said. But, I would add some water along with the extra vg. I like between 5% and 15% water to make it wick better. I think MFS already puts some water in their 100%vg. It seems thinner than the heartland vapes 100%vg nicotine I bought. Anyway, just dilute away with the walmart vg. If it is too thick, just add a little water and shake well. If you thought you had a lot of unflavored now, just wait till you quadruple it by making ti 6mg/ml.
 

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Well, it's a bit later than I'd expected, RL tends to bit us all on the ... from time to time, but here's the pics of my dual-parallel-in-parallel coil (28 ga. Kanthal A-1, dual 1Ω parallel coils, wired in parallel for 0.5Ω net resistance) in my Rose V2, after little over 71mL of e-liquid, varying between thick and sweet (I'm guessing 90/10) to 50/50 (Castle Long Reserve). Vaped at between 21.7W and 23.5W.

As is obvious, the coils are a bit dark, and slightly gunked up. While they were darkish before, they weren't nearly this dark, and had next to no buildup on the coil proper. Unfortunately, as I was finishing my last tank, I wasn't paying the attention I should have and bit myself with a dry burn at 22.3W that was almost a full 8 second draw. :facepalm: :blush: I was sufferin' a bit of insomnia, so when the harsh hit finally percolated through my skull, I ended up nearly hacking up a lung and started filling my Rose V2. I realized what I was doing after about a half mL, and not wanting to pour any e-liquid back into the container, I decided to see how the rayon had held up even after that harsh dry hit.

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Even with the long dry burn, the flavor came back to almost completely normal after about ten draws, and the draws leading up to that were only a little "off" tasting (about like a cotton wicked coil just starting to gunk up). Visually, it's fairly obvious that the wicks held up well, as there's next to no black near the coil, except for the upper left tail. That, I believe, came from brushing against the Rose V2's chimney/juice flow control chimney when I removed it, as the inside had some blackening after the dry burn, but not much. There's very little "flaking" on the wicks, which was something that was always present with my older wicking in the Rose V2, even with rayon. When I pulled the wicks loose, they came out cleanly, leaving only a couple strands behind which were easily picked out, and the area around the coils was dark, but not blackened (further reinforcing my opinion that the upper left wick tail in the pic was darkened by rubbing against the chimney, and nothing else. I also dry burned the coil just to see how much gunk had built up, and the coils came completely clean after about 6 seconds, with little to no extraneous heat up from gunk (which I have to attribute to the dry burn).

As to the wick construction itself, I trimmed using a 'fan' style trim similar to a Kayfun build, but left about 1/4"-3/8" (a li'l under 6mm to a li'l under 9mm) of a tail, the thickness of which was about 1/16" (right at 1.5mm). I started my cut just a little past the outside top of the coil, angled with a somewhat sharply so the end of the cut is right about even with the outer area of the wick channel, which is the starting point of the tails. Despite the angled cut before the tails, e-liquid rarely seeps down into the atomization chamber, mostly, I'm sure, due to surface tension. A couple times I've dropped my mod from a few inches and it's broken the surface tension enough to allow a bit of e-liquid into the chamber, but not enough to require a "blow out" of the airflow channel. Tipping it enough to get the e-liquid within the chamber to contact the coils helps solve that, as well.

To continue my breakdown of this wick, the tails I left on the ends of the wick were then wrapped them around the base of the chimney, trying to keep them below the level of the first thread as much as possible. This seems to help flow even more than leaving the full thickness even with the wick channles, and has solved well over 90% of the "darkened juice backflow" that some people -- myself included -- have experienced in their RBA's tanks.

Hope this helps out for some, though I will warn ya it's somewhat of a pain to get the tail thickness and angle just right. It makes re-wicking take longer, too; with cotton, I could re-wick a setup like this in under 5 minutes, including teardown, removal of old wick, rewicking, filling and screwing the mod back together. Getting everything right takes me between 10 and 15 minutes now, but it's worth that little bit of extra time, IMO anyway. :laugh:

At any rate, everyone, keep on vaping! :vapor:

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juggalofisher88

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Ok well my kf was being a little ..... Earlier (its good now)
But i thought why not revisit my 3d dripper since i love the way it looks on my nemi....
I enlarged the dual air holes to 3mm. Wrapped two spaced coils on 2mm bit for around .7ohm.
Sorry bout pics i was running all day before work and doing this at same time lol.
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First thought, not enough heat for the airflow, its a very cool cold Vape (it is now non-adjustable lol) there is NO flavor at all except for a burnt peppery nic taste that ain't quite pleasant.
Second thing even trimming the tails(which i skimped out a little on) there was just too much wick in the chamber...
Plan on rebuilding tomorrow with a 1/16th ID, and space the coils a little closer while also lower ohms to around .5
going to trim Them tails more i read some talk here recently about trimming 50% off at the bends? Care to elaborate little more, what side of wick? Top/bottom/front/back?
And where should i trim the remaining 40% of the wick off at?
I never messed with this long of rayon wick before.

Also if any of you got a 3d, and have a good dual setup, share your tips and tricks.

Anywhos im tired thanks for reading can't wait to wake up to loads of feedback, this thread has never failed me yet. (crap where's the wood to knock on)
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Hey man since its unflavored, you could go to rightaid or walmart and get some 99.5% usp glycerin, it is in the pharmacy section by the bandaids, you can get 125ml for 7$-4$ bucks respectively!
Just mix 3/4 base to 1/4vg for 18mg,
Half and half for 12mg, or 1/4base and 3/4vg for 6mg. Doing that you will have up to 4x more juice than you have now lol
Vape long and prosper here

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Thanks juggalofisher88, for the tip. I have bookmarked your recipe and will hit the local Wally-World tomorrow. That's a thanks for a way out of my Nic dilemma not that I am going to have more juice than I can possible use... sort a like the amount of rayon I have. :D
 

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Ok well my kf was being a little ..... Earlier (its good now)
But i thought why not revisit my 3d dripper since i love the way it looks on my nemi....
I enlarged the dual air holes to 3mm. Wrapped two spaced coils on 2mm bit for around .7ohm.
Sorry bout pics i was running all day before work and doing this at same time lol.
da2uza4e.jpg
8ehygyja.jpg
je8yha3e.jpg

First thought, not enough heat for the airflow, its a very cool cold Vape (it is now non-adjustable lol) there is NO flavor at all except for a burnt peppery nic taste that ain't quite pleasant.
Second thing even trimming the tails(which i skimped out a little on) there was just too much wick in the chamber...
Plan on rebuilding tomorrow with a 1/16th ID, and space the coils a little closer while also lower ohms to around .5
going to trim Them tails more i read some talk here recently about trimming 50% off at the bends? Care to elaborate little more, what side of wick? Top/bottom/front/back?
And where should i trim the remaining 40% of the wick off at?
I never messed with this long of rayon wick before.

Also if any of you got a 3d, and have a good dual setup, share your tips and tricks.

Anywhos im tired thanks for reading can't wait to wake up to loads of feedback, this thread has never failed me yet. (crap where's the wood to knock on)
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Juggalo-

Whoop Whoop! (Sorry, been wanting to do that, the Carnival has been in my backyard the last few years lol)

Seriously, my "new" dripper wick idea is a cross between iTeo's 360 airflow wick (Japanese cotton, big I.d.) and the trimmed kf wick.

If you don't see "hair" on the deck when you are almost dead dry, you're over-wicked. Thin that bad boy and you can pull a nearly dry wick for a last hit or two (and sometimes we all need that).

Trim just outside the deck and thin so the last of your "long" tails curl on the deck like you would a cotton bed... keep them thin and let the rayon do the work.

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A bit funky, but this is 15+ hrs of deep sub-ohm chainvaping with 80%-100% vg. Normally, this would be grungy as hell, and now you can still see each coil of wire.

Feel and hear the squeak and thin those tails so they just drape on the deck. Even if you get close you'll thank me.

Vape strong, my Brother.
 

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Well, it's a bit later than I'd expected, RL tends to bit us all on the ... from time to time, but here's the pics of my dual-parallel-in-parallel coil (28 ga. Kanthal A-1, dual 1Ω parallel coils, wired in parallel for 0.5Ω net resistance) in my Rose V2, after little over 71mL of e-liquid, varying between thick and sweet (I'm guessing 90/10) to 50/50 (Castle Long Reserve). Vaped at between 21.7W and 23.5W.

As is obvious, the coils are a bit dark, and slightly gunked up. While they were darkish before, they weren't nearly this dark, and had next to no buildup on the coil proper. Unfortunately, as I was finishing my last tank, I wasn't paying the attention I should have and bit myself with a dry burn at 22.3W that was almost a full 8 second draw. :facepalm: :blush: I was sufferin' a bit of insomnia, so when the harsh hit finally percolated through my skull, I ended up nearly hacking up a lung and started filling my Rose V2. I realized what I was doing after about a half mL, and not wanting to pour any e-liquid back into the container, I decided to see how the rayon had held up even after that harsh dry hit.

TrimmedAndTails.jpg


Even with the long dry burn, the flavor came back to almost completely normal after about ten draws, and the draws leading up to that were only a little "off" tasting (about like a cotton wicked coil just starting to gunk up). Visually, it's fairly obvious that the wicks held up well, as there's next to no black near the coil, except for the upper left tail. That, I believe, came from brushing against the Rose V2's chimney/juice flow control chimney when I removed it, as the inside had some blackening after the dry burn, but not much. There's very little "flaking" on the wicks, which was something that was always present with my older wicking in the Rose V2, even with rayon. When I pulled the wicks loose, they came out cleanly, leaving only a couple strands behind which were easily picked out, and the area around the coils was dark, but not blackened (further reinforcing my opinion that the upper left wick tail in the pic was darkened by rubbing against the chimney, and nothing else. I also dry burned the coil just to see how much gunk had built up, and the coils came completely clean after about 6 seconds, with little to no extraneous heat up from gunk (which I have to attribute to the dry burn).

As to the wick construction itself, I trimmed using a 'fan' style trim similar to a Kayfun build, but left about 1/4"-3/8" (a li'l under 6mm to a li'l under 9mm) of a tail, the thickness of which was about 1/16" (right at 1.5mm). I started my cut just a little past the outside top of the coil, angled with a somewhat sharply so the end of the cut is right about even with the outer area of the wick channel, which is the starting point of the tails. Despite the angled cut before the tails, e-liquid rarely seeps down into the atomization chamber, mostly, I'm sure, due to surface tension. A couple times I've dropped my mod from a few inches and it's broken the surface tension enough to allow a bit of e-liquid into the chamber, but not enough to require a "blow out" of the airflow channel. Tipping it enough to get the e-liquid within the chamber to contact the coils helps solve that, as well.

To continue my breakdown of this wick, the tails I left on the ends of the wick were then wrapped them around the base of the chimney, trying to keep them below the level of the first thread as much as possible. This seems to help flow even more than leaving the full thickness even with the wick channles, and has solved well over 90% of the "darkened juice backflow" that some people -- myself included -- have experienced in their RBA's tanks.

Hope this helps out for some, though I will warn ya it's somewhat of a pain to get the tail thickness and angle just right. It makes re-wicking take longer, too; with cotton, I could re-wick a setup like this in under 5 minutes, including teardown, removal of old wick, rewicking, filling and screwing the mod back together. Getting everything right takes me between 10 and 15 minutes now, but it's worth that little bit of extra time, IMO anyway. :laugh:

At any rate, everyone, keep on vaping! :vapor:

-Laters...!
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That makes me want to send you a build and have you deconstruct it lol.

Great review, thanks
 

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Just out of curiosity, what fixed the the KF for you? You were having a really tough time with it for a minute...

Oh boy which problem lol,
Using a larger ID coil and leaving the wick slightly thicker and longer fixed the leaking.

The latest problem i was having, was it was shorting out (even though it read fine on multimeter)
Lost a battery.. ..
Turned out the 510 is not adjustable, the center pin is recessed when tightened all the way. It doesn't play well with my nemi switch(only device atm) if i was to loosen it up. The pin would wobble and possible short out(which i did)

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If you have extras, you can try the one on the KF top cap. That's pretty tiny...
No no extras lol,

I've trimmed a piece of the silicon 510 insulator from an old Kanger coil and used that as an o'ring. I've heard of people slicing off the tip of a juice bottle and making that work as an o'ring, but I didn't have much luck with that.
Thanks ill give that a try once i drain this tank i have one of those left


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Ok well my kf was being a little ..... Earlier (its good now)
But i thought why not revisit my 3d dripper since i love the way it looks on my nemi....
I enlarged the dual air holes to 3mm. Wrapped two spaced coils on 2mm bit for around .7ohm.
Sorry bout pics i was running all day before work and doing this at same time lol.
je8yha3e.jpg

First thought, not enough heat for the airflow, its a very cool cold Vape (it is now non-adjustable lol) there is NO flavor at all except for a burnt peppery nic taste that ain't quite pleasant.
Second thing even trimming the tails(which i skimped out a little on) there was just too much wick in the chamber...
Plan on rebuilding tomorrow with a 1/16th ID, and space the coils a little closer while also lower ohms to around .5
going to trim Them tails more i read some talk here recently about trimming 50% off at the bends? Care to elaborate little more, what side of wick? Top/bottom/front/back?
And where should i trim the remaining 40% of the wick off at?
I never messed with this long of rayon wick before.

Also if any of you got a 3d, and have a good dual setup, share your tips and tricks.

Anywhos im tired thanks for reading can't wait to wake up to loads of feedback, this thread has never failed me yet. (crap where's the wood to knock on)

Well the spacing depends on power and air in my builds it tuned right. Kinda like tuning a car engine. My dual coils with lower end power- 20w, the spaced are getting cooled too much by the juice. You may need to go contact to get enough heat or res down to .5. It's the extra amount of wick coverage that is cooling it.

The trim is take where it curves down and trim 50-70% At a slight angle so when it's wet the wick water falls down.. And the main wick doesn't touch the chamber walls when put together.. . On that atty probably cut the tails so they go under the coil and meet evenly in the middle. Trim length so they don't overlap each other.
 

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Well the spacing depends on power and air in my builds it tuned right. Kinda like tuning a car engine. My dual coils with lower end power- 20w, the spaced are getting cooled too much by the juice. You may need to go contact to get enough heat or res down to .5. It's the extra amount of wick coverage that is cooling it.

The trim is take where it curves down and trim 50-70% At a slight angle so when it's wet the wick water falls down.. And the main wick doesn't touch the chamber walls when put together.. . On that atty probably cut the tails so they go under the coil and meet evenly in the middle. Trim length so they don't overlap each other.

Thanks i just tried to do a dual build with smaller id less ohm and spaced closer together, but when i went to tighten down the positive i didn't keep pressure on coils and they spun around and messed all up... With it had post holes..
But im off to work so ill give it a try tonight..

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Lol, I was gonna rebuild the flashi before work today. To try the 28g jax sent me... I'm at almost 2 weeks and ~70ml on it even though the wick is too dense in the coil on it. Will post pics later... Well tried 28 for the first time.. Low load on zmax!?! Had to pull it luckily I saved the old parallel coil; because I remembered I had a meeting and had to leave ASAP. Rewicked it quick and headed off, vaping a dream at 6v. So yeah sh.. Happens
 
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